Red Zone Problems on Offense for 3 Straight Years

DropKickFlutie said:

Here ya go buddy. A bunch of FACTS since this is an actual problem.

1. 2021 red zone offense is 2 for 7.

2. 2019 season when Tom Brady was here:
27th in the NFL in red zone offense.
28th in converting plays that need 3 or fewer yards.
Last in TE touchdowns.

Publications:

2019: Red zone and short-yardage failures

Patriots offense couldn't get the 'gotta have it' yards in 2019

Red zone and short-yardage situations were ultimately the fatal flaw for the 2019 Patriots offense.

www.patriots.com

2019: Red Zone Issues

Patriots need better red zone offense to survive gauntlet of schedule

The Patriots aren't cashing in when they get to the red zone - and that's a huge problem with games coming up against some of the best offenses in the NFL.

musketfire.com

2019: "How bad are the Pats in the red zone?"

How bad are the Patriots’ troubles in the red zone? - The Boston Globe

The Patriots are 24th in red-zone offense. They were 15th last year, and fifth, eighth, fourth, and ninth the four years before that.

www.bostonglobe.com

2020: Patriots "were too predictable in the red zone"

Patriots were too predictable in red zone last year. That should improve after spending spree

The Patriots made it too easy for defenses to keep them out of the end zone last year. With Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry, that changes.

theathletic.com

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The Patriots were too predictable in the red zone in 2020? LMAO. Their QB couldn’t complete a 5 yard pass, and you are the one who wanted him to be their starter now.

As for Brady and MacDaniels, Brady was the guy who went to Kraft and Belichick and begged them to keep him from going to Indy, and he has the highest football IQ of pretty much anyone who has ever played in the NFL. . As for O’Brien the simple fact that you want the guy who destroyed the Texans organization to be the OC should disqualify you from ever talking about football again.

Just about everyone here wants you to STFU. about this issue, and because of your acute narcissism you reject that and you just keep running your mouth endlessly about a topic everyone here knows your opinion on. Like NEM you have absolutely no regard for the rest of this forum, and it shows in every post you make. You just keep screaming and whining and pounding your little fisties and feeties into the floor because Belichick believes MacDaniels is a great OC, otherwise he would have been gone long ago, and they wouldn’t be paying him like a head coach.

thecore762 said:

Maybe it’s time for Harry to become a tight end. Guy cannot get any separation.

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He'd still have issues - see LB Baker easily running him down last year in week 1 vs Miami.

2 for 6, the last drive that ended in a FG was a pure clock killer

This team misses (besides Brady), also misses Chad O'Shea who used to design red zone plays and also manage red zone offense. Offense has nose dived with O'Shea gone and Brady gone. Looks like the Denver'10 offense now. It's also so predictable how the snap count would veer to a 1TE offense again. skippy only knows how to do one thing.

2 things on this article.
1. Mac is like brady in he'll always say the right thing to the media even if it's lying to protect the team.
2. There is a big difference between being 'conservative' and just being predictable and bad play calling. The Patriots were NOT conservative when they called 20 shotgun passing plays in the first half. Mac made good decisions with short passes knowing his OLine sucks. On the other hand red zone pathetic conversion rates are not about being conservative.

jbean9876abcd said:

Maybe I'm delusional, but I I think they're saving the good stuff.

So far, I don't see any of these red zone opp failures being anything related to playcalling except for maybe #6. It's a shame we only got to the red zone 3 times today (in addition to Harris's 26yd rumble). Mac needs more time in the pocket.

1) Holding derailed
2) TD pass
3) Missed pass to Meyers on 3rd down
4) Harris Fumble

5) TD
6) 1yd run, incompl, -1yd pass
7) Clock killing End of game FG

Regardless, I just watched that out/pivot route by Mike Evans from TB, and I'm thinking why can't it be that easy for once over the last few years.

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Was about to post that 2-7 is a misleading stat.

Fumble and Holding aside, their last two possessions in the red zone were CLEARLY designed to just ensure the win.

Up 19-3, 3 points is huge - 3-score game vs. 2-score game. So they didn't risk anything into the EZ in the air and ran, killing clock and taking the 3.

Last RZ possession, the clock was as important as a TD. Run, run, run, kick a field goal, clock killed, game over.

DropKickFlutie said:

Charlie Weiss, Brian Daboll, Bill O'Brien were all excellent offensive minds and coordinators for the Pats or other teams. Brady carried mcD for 15 yrs and mcD has failed spectacularly 3 different times without Tommy.

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ok NEM

DropKickFlutie said:

I see a thread where NewEra was going crazy was shut off so posting it here. NewEra is a crazy poster claiming Brady was overrated, held the offense back, and even claimed Brady was the one insisting on spread shotgun. Even though we can all see this season it's skippy mcd. NewEra seems way too invested in this, I'm gonna guess it's a psycho family member of mcd trying to now paint Brady in a bizarrely poor light.


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Talk about invested DKFelger. You should shrivel up and wither away from embarrassment after accusing someone else of being too invested.

Steve:Section 102 said:

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just look at OP's avatar and the threads he is making, best to just put him on your ignore list

JMC00 said:

just look at OP's avatar and the threads he is making, best to just put him on your ignore list

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I actually feel bad for the guy. He's so fixated, he can't possibly enjoy the games.

DropKickFlutie said:

Here ya go buddy. A bunch of FACTS since this is an actual problem.

1. 2021 red zone offense is 2 for 7.

2. 2019 season when Tom Brady was here:
27th in the NFL in red zone offense.
28th in converting plays that need 3 or fewer yards.
Last in TE touchdowns.

Publications:

2019: Red zone and short-yardage failures

Patriots offense couldn't get the 'gotta have it' yards in 2019

Red zone and short-yardage situations were ultimately the fatal flaw for the 2019 Patriots offense.

www.patriots.com

2019: Red Zone Issues

Patriots need better red zone offense to survive gauntlet of schedule

The Patriots aren't cashing in when they get to the red zone - and that's a huge problem with games coming up against some of the best offenses in the NFL.

musketfire.com

2019: "How bad are the Pats in the red zone?"

How bad are the Patriots’ troubles in the red zone? - The Boston Globe

The Patriots are 24th in red-zone offense. They were 15th last year, and fifth, eighth, fourth, and ninth the four years before that.

www.bostonglobe.com

2020: Patriots "were too predictable in the red zone"

Patriots were too predictable in red zone last year. That should improve after spending spree

The Patriots made it too easy for defenses to keep them out of the end zone last year. With Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry, that changes.

theathletic.com

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If Brady was carrying McDaniels, why was 2019 such a bad year? Brady should have still been carrying him.

LFGMac10 said:

If Brady was carrying McDaniels, why was 2019 such a bad year? Brady should have still been carrying him.

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I think we know that answer.

@DropKickFlutie gets buried in every single thread he makes. How are you this clueless despite spending so much time in a football forum?

50-yard-line said:

Was about to post that 2-7 is a misleading stat.

Fumble and Holding aside, their last two possessions in the red zone were CLEARLY designed to just ensure the win.

Up 19-3, 3 points is huge - 3-score game vs. 2-score game. So they didn't risk anything into the EZ in the air and ran, killing clock and taking the 3.

Last RZ possession, the clock was as important as a TD. Run, run, run, kick a field goal, clock killed, game over.

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1) fumble
2) Meyers drop
3) the phantom holding call
4) the 2 drives you just mentioned.

this is why sample size means something.

Ring 6 said:

1) fumble
2) Meyers drop
3) the phantom holding call
4) the 2 drives you just mentioned.

this is why sample size means something.

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It's also why a context is important in anything in life. If people remove that context to fit their agenda, they're removing it intentionally.

NewEraWithMac said:

It's also why a context is important in anything in life. If people remove that context to fit their agenda, they're removing it intentionally.

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Nothing worse than football fans with agendas.

LFGMac10 said:

If Brady was carrying McDaniels, why was 2019 such a bad year? Brady should have still been carrying him.

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Brady bailed because McDaniels converted the Pats to a crappy Denver'10 team without Gronk

DropKickFlutie said:

Brady bailed because McDaniels converted the Pats to a crappy Denver'10 team without Gronk

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Man, you're sad.

You can't admit Brady acted like a turd in 2019, or skipped OTAs in 2018 for contract leverage and lost because BB already knew he was walking from the drama queen?

I said it for years: On BBs teams NO ONE is above the team, including Tommy Brady.

DropKickFlutie said:

Here ya go buddy. A bunch of FACTS since this is an actual problem.

1. 2021 red zone offense is 2 for 7.

2. 2019 season when Tom Brady was here:
27th in the NFL in red zone offense.
28th in converting plays that need 3 or fewer yards.
Last in TE touchdowns.

Publications:

2019: Red zone and short-yardage failures

Patriots offense couldn't get the 'gotta have it' yards in 2019

Red zone and short-yardage situations were ultimately the fatal flaw for the 2019 Patriots offense.

www.patriots.com

2019: Red Zone Issues

Patriots need better red zone offense to survive gauntlet of schedule

The Patriots aren't cashing in when they get to the red zone - and that's a huge problem with games coming up against some of the best offenses in the NFL.

musketfire.com

2019: "How bad are the Pats in the red zone?"

How bad are the Patriots’ troubles in the red zone? - The Boston Globe

The Patriots are 24th in red-zone offense. They were 15th last year, and fifth, eighth, fourth, and ninth the four years before that.

www.bostonglobe.com

2020: Patriots "were too predictable in the red zone"

Patriots were too predictable in red zone last year. That should improve after spending spree

The Patriots made it too easy for defenses to keep them out of the end zone last year. With Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry, that changes.

theathletic.com

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DropKickFlutie said:

Here ya go buddy. A bunch of FACTS since this is an actual problem.

1. 2021 red zone offense is 2 for 7.

2. 2019 season when Tom Brady was here:
27th in the NFL in red zone offense.
28th in converting plays that need 3 or fewer yards.
Last in TE touchdowns.

Publications:

2019: Red zone and short-yardage failures

Patriots offense couldn't get the 'gotta have it' yards in 2019

Red zone and short-yardage situations were ultimately the fatal flaw for the 2019 Patriots offense.

www.patriots.com

2019: Red Zone Issues

Patriots need better red zone offense to survive gauntlet of schedule

The Patriots aren't cashing in when they get to the red zone - and that's a huge problem with games coming up against some of the best offenses in the NFL.

musketfire.com

2019: "How bad are the Pats in the red zone?"

How bad are the Patriots’ troubles in the red zone? - The Boston Globe

The Patriots are 24th in red-zone offense. They were 15th last year, and fifth, eighth, fourth, and ninth the four years before that.

www.bostonglobe.com

2020: Patriots "were too predictable in the red zone"

Patriots were too predictable in red zone last year. That should improve after spending spree

The Patriots made it too easy for defenses to keep them out of the end zone last year. With Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry, that changes.

theathletic.com

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DropKickFlutie said:

Brady bailed because McDaniels converted the Pats to a crappy Denver'10 team without Gronk

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So Brady bailed to get away from the OC he loves and who he went to Belichick and Kraft begging them to find a way to keep him? Sound logic, another great post.