Belichick criticism mega-thread

Boomer B said:

Wrong. Anyone who’s listened to Curran the last few years can tell you he’s been right all along. He was writing about the contract unhappiness long before Brady left. You wouldn’t know common sense if it hit you in the face.

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Curran has been telling his story. His bias in the matter is clear.
If all Brady wanted was 2 years and 50 mill who didn’t he say that when Kraft asked him what it would take for him to stay? Before he had any offer? Why didn’t he give any contract demand? Why did he say No there is nothing you can do I am leaving?

upstater1 said:

Curran was right when he told us about the 2 year contract mess the summer before Brady's final year, and the fact Brady put his house on the market was a big tell.

I bet anything that Brady would have returned if they offered him a 2 year contract last March.

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No. Kraft asked what they could do to keep him in March and Brady said nothing.

Ring 6 said:

No. Kraft asked what they could do to keep him in March and Brady said nothing.

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You're referring to March of 2019 when Brady was already out the door with contract offers?

I'm talking about the Patriots offer at that time BEFORE he went on the market.

We got wind of what the Patriots were giving him at the start of March, and it was 1 year. A week later he was already offered by other teams. If Kraft asked what to do to keep him, then why did the Patriots offer him 1 year?

Butler was so bad in the playoffs that the Pats allowed 14 points against the Titans, and Butler allowed fewer yards against him than Gilmore did, and 20 points against the Jags, 6 points in the entire second half, the same Jags team that scored 45 points in Pittsburgh a week earlier.

When Butler’s awful playing caused him to be benched, the secondary flourished and only allowed 41 points against the Eagles.

It was a masterstroke by Belichick and Patricia, completely befuddling the Eagles offensive coordinator who didn’t know who to attack first, Rowe, Richards, Bademosi or Chung.

Ring 6 said:

No. Kraft asked what they could do to keep him in March and Brady said nothing.

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You are incredible. Hopefully your mom calls you back up to eat dinner soon because your takes are god damn horrible. There is nothing to say but that. You simply don't understand anything.

Lagaffe_07 said:

He played the highest number of snaps on D that year. If he was terrible why did he played the most?

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We saw what was behind Butler and it wasn’t pretty. Did you actually watch any of the games that year? Butler was not good. Check out his nightmare Denver game, as a starting point for your film review. Would he have made the third down tackle that Bademosi whiffed on? Probable, but that isn’t to say that he wouldn’t have given up a big play at another point in the game. I remember reading a report either after the Jacksonville game (or maybe after benching) that Bill was pissed about Butler’s continued poor play vs. the Jags and wanted to pull him during that game.

The bigger loss was not sitting Butler, it was losing J. Jones to injury in the Tenn game. If Jones had been healthy, he would have covered Agholor in the slot and and Chung would have stayed where he belonged, covering Ertz.

Sitting Butler the whole game COULD have cost the Pats the SB but adding him to the mix changes the whole game and the big plays that occurred without him wouldn’t have been the exact same plays with him in the game. You can’t just inject him into that Bademosi 3rd down play because that probably never would’ve existed. Nobody here has watched Sliding Doors with Gwyneth Paltrow?

upstater1 said:

You're referring to March of 2019 when Brady was already out the door with contract offers?

I'm talking about the Patriots offer at that time BEFORE he went on the market.

We got wind of what the Patriots were giving him at the start of March, and it was 1 year. A week later he was already offered by other teams. If Kraft asked what to do to keep him, then why did the Patriots offer him 1 year?

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I’m talking about before free agency began. If the argument is Brady wanted to stay, when asked what it would take why would he not give an answer other than “nothing can keep me here”

“We got wind” doesn’t mean anything to me. By that standard he nor was both never made an offer and also offered one year. Rumor is rumor.

Kargetina said:

Butler was so bad in the playoffs that the Pats allowed 14 points against the Titans, and Butler allowed fewer yards against him than Gilmore did, and 20 points against the Jags, 6 points in the entire second half, the same Jags team that scored 45 points in Pittsburgh a week earlier.

When Butler’s awful playing caused him to be benched, the secondary flourished and only allowed 41 points against the Eagles.

It was a masterstroke by Belichick and Patricia, completely befuddling the Eagles offensive coordinator who didn’t know who to attack first, Rowe, Richards, Bademosi or Chung.

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Ring 6 said:

No. Kraft asked what they could do to keep him in March and Brady said nothing.

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You're totally ignoring the fact that Belichick offered hi a 1 year contract, which is WHY Brady left.

Tottie said:

You are incredible. Hopefully your mom calls you back up to eat dinner soon because your takes are god damn horrible. There is nothing to say but that. You simply don't understand anything.

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Lol. What I say is the fact. Responding to fact with rumor and speculation turns into a post like this where you have nothing left to do but personally insult the fact speaker because you have no facts and they do not accept your rumor.
it’s really quite sad.

I’m not sure why everyone has such a hard time accepting that Brady simply wanted to leave. Everything he has said since leaving supports it 100%. I appreciate what he did for this franchise. I appreciate that he bought into do your job, no days off, team first for much longer than any legendary player would, and I accept that he decided he was bigger than that. It doesn’t make him a bad person, it doesn’t make the organization a bad organization, it just means that 20 years was the limit.

Ring 6 said:

I’m talking about before free agency began. If the argument is Brady wanted to stay, when asked what it would take why would he not give an answer other than “nothing can keep me here”

“We got wind” doesn’t mean anything to me. By that standard he nor was both never made an offer and also offered one year. Rumor is rumor.

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OK, so you know the inside scoop and we don't apparently. All this talk of Brady being offered just one year is just lies.

jmt57 said:

One other very important, but forgotten fact is that in 2019 Brady asked for a clause in his contract that the Patriots could not use the franchise tag on him. Why would he insist on that? Is making $31 million like Dak Prescott did last year is disrespectful? That alone tells me that Brady had already made up his mind (or very close to it) a year prior that he would be moving on after the 2020 season.

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or that Brady sensed that the BB/Brady relationship was drifting further apart and he wanted to assure himself that BB didn't tag and trade him.

upstater1 said:

You're totally ignoring the fact that Belichick offered hi a 1 year contract, which is WHY Brady left.

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Kraft asked him what he wanted and Brady did not say “a 2 year contract”. He said “im
Outta here”

Are we really going to play the “you know what i want and I’m not going to tell you and pout until you figure it out” game?

I see no one even attempting to claim that Brady made any proposal whatsoever to the Patriots. If it wasn’t his choice to leave wouldn’t he have to have at least made a proposal that was rejected? Wouldn’t he respond with one when he is asked “what can I do to keep you here?”

sb1 said:

Inexplicably benching Malcolm Butler costing his team a Super Bowl damaged Belichick's legacy. Spygate caused major damage to it. The latter is why I do not believe he will be a unanimous first ballot selection into the HOF unfortunately.

Brady winning the Super Bowl will put Bill on the hot seat to be peppered with a lot of uncomfortable questions this year but it didn't touch Bill's legacy or status in any way. I'm sure he can handle it and he's being paid to handle it anyway.

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Sorry, but can’t call it inexplicable if you don’t know why he was bench. Hopefully one day we will know the real story and can actually make informed opinions.

Biffins said:

COACHING RECORD IN SEASONS WITHOUT BRADY

1 playoff appearance in 8 seasons. Never won division.

Team​	Year​	Regular season​	Postseason​
Won​	Lost​	Ties​	Win %​	Finish​	Won​	Lost​	Win %​	Result​
CLE​	1991​	6​	10​	0​	0.375​	3rd in AFC Central	—	—	—	—
CLE​	1992​	7​	9​	0​	0.438​	3rd in AFC Central	—	—	—	—
CLE​	1993​	7​	9​	0​	0.438​	3rd in AFC Central	—	—	—	—
CLE​	1994​	11​	5​	0​	0.688​	2nd in AFC Central	1​	1​	0.5​	Lost to Pittsburgh Steelers in AFC Divisional Game
CLE​	1995​	5​	11​	0​	0.313​	4th in AFC Central	—	—	—	—
NE​	2000​	5​	11​	0​	0.313​	5th in AFC East	—	—	—	—
NE​	2008​	11​	5​	0​	0.688​	2nd in AFC East	—	—	—	—
NE​	2020​	7​	9​	0​	0.438​	3rd in AFC East	—	—	—	—

COACHING RECORD IN SEASONS WITH BRADY

17 playoff appearances in 18 seasons. Won division 17 times.

Team​	Year​	Regular season​	Postseason​
Won​	Lost​	Ties​	Win %​	Finish​	Won​	Lost​	Win %​	Result​
NE​	2001​	11​	5​	0​	0.688​	1st in AFC East	3​	0​	1​	Super Bowl XXXVI champions
NE​	2002​	9​	7​	0​	0.563​	2nd in AFC East	—	—	—	—
NE​	2003​	14​	2​	0​	0.875​	1st in AFC East	3​	0​	1​	Super Bowl XXXVIII champions
NE​	2004​	14​	2​	0​	0.875​	1st in AFC East	3​	0​	1​	Super Bowl XXXIX champions
NE​	2005​	10​	6​	0​	0.625​	1st in AFC East	1​	1​	0.5​	Lost to Denver Broncos in AFC Divisional Game
NE​	2006​	12​	4​	0​	0.75​	1st in AFC East	2​	1​	0.667​	Lost to Indianapolis Colts in AFC Championship Game
NE​	2007​	16​	0​	0​	1​	1st in AFC East	2​	1​	0.667​	Lost to New York Giants in Super Bowl XLII
NE​	2009​	10​	6​	0​	0.625​	1st in AFC East	0​	1​	0​	Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC Wild Card Game
NE​	2010​	14​	2​	0​	0.875​	1st in AFC East	0​	1​	0​	Lost to New York Jets in AFC Divisional Game
NE​	2011​	13​	3​	0​	0.813​	1st in AFC East	2​	1​	0.667​	Lost to New York Giants in Super Bowl XLVI
NE​	2012​	12​	4​	0​	0.75​	1st in AFC East	1​	1​	0.5​	Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC Championship Game
NE​	2013​	12​	4​	0​	0.75​	1st in AFC East	1​	1​	0.5​	Lost to Denver Broncos in AFC Championship Game
NE​	2014​	12​	4​	0​	0.75​	1st in AFC East	3​	0​	1​	Super Bowl XLIX champions
NE​	2015​	12​	4​	0​	0.75​	1st in AFC East	1​	1​	0.5​	Lost to Denver Broncos in AFC Championship Game
NE​	2016​	14​	2​	0​	0.875​	1st in AFC East	3​	0​	1​	Super Bowl LI champions
NE​	2017​	13​	3​	0​	0.813​	1st in AFC East	2​	1​	0.667​	Lost to Philadelphia Eagles in Super Bowl LII
NE​	2018​	11​	5​	0​	0.688​	1st in AFC East	3​	0​	1​	Super Bowl LIII champions
NE​	2019​	12​	4​	0​	0.75​	1st in AFC East	0​	1​	0​	Lost to Tennessee Titans in AFC Wild Card Game

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Your cut and paste and regurgitation of tired, lazy arguments game is on point.

I am shocked that someone would blindly defend Bill's benching of Butler (sarcasm).

upstater1 said:

OK, so you know the inside scoop and we don't apparently. All this talk of Brady being offered just one year is just lies.

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I know the fact is that Kraft asked him what it would take to keep him here. He said nothing, he’s gone.

You act as if the guy relying on fact and doubting rumors is on the shaky side of the discussion.

Curran has an agenda and Curran implies a bunch of things. That is rumor. But all of those rumors are meaningless to me when I know with certainty that before he was left Brady was asked to request whatever he wanted and he said nothing, I’m gone. If the rumors were true, he never would have said that.

By the way when did I ever say I know the inside scoop. I am literally saying you can’t argue from an “inside scoop” because it’s just rumor.
Dismissing rumor is not replacing it with your own belief, it’s dismissing rumor and looking at facts.
The facts make the rumor wrong.

I still believe in Bills ability to rebuild this team but if he brings back Cam Newton or tries to go cheap at quarterback with a Marcus Mariota and doesn't draft a quarterback i no longer have any faith.

jmt57 said:

I have read this a few times. It reads as if Kraft works for Belichick, not the other way around.

Where was Kraft during those last few seasons? As the owner he can be in as much (or as little) communication with BB as he chooses. Kraft could have also communicated directly to Brady many times prior. And ultimately the final decision on anything (including contracts) is Kraft's, not Belichick's. (See Brown, Antonio for example.)

One other very important, but forgotten fact is that in 2019 Brady asked for a clause in his contract that the Patriots could not use the franchise tag on him. Why would he insist on that? Is making $31 million like Dak Prescott did last year is disrespectful? That alone tells me that Brady had already made up his mind (or very close to it) a year prior that he would be moving on after the 2020 season.

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Agree with everything here.
But bear in mind Kraft gave Bill full control
of football and player personnel a long time ago. He does not interfere.
Its obviously worked out extremely well over the last 20 years. Kraft knows he had the 2 goats and he needed to tread lightly in this situation. So even if Kraft wanted to step in more forcefully to try and keep Brady, he wouldnt have.
None of us, including the media,knows exactly how we got here.
You may be right that Brady was already
leaning towards leaving in 2019. But it's also likely that he kept the door cracked
open, wanting to hear something positive from Bill. My guess is there were 2 issues
for Tom 1. his contract situation and just as big, 2. how Bill was planning to improve the Patriots big holes at wr and te. He knows Bill tried in 2019, with Gordon and Brown. People seem to forget
the Pats were tearing the league up when they had both. Unfortunately, both players imploded.
Diggs was too high a price to pay, but Hopkins wasnt and he was gettable. I know that pissed Brady off.
It is what it is. What I dont understand are Pats fans on EITHER side of the fence.
For chrissake, theyre both the 2 greatest
of all time. Ive been reading a lot of boolsheet about both in this forum that is not true. Neither one has ever let their ego come before winning. They BOTH are and always have been about TEAM FIRST.
I place a little more blame on Bill than Tom. But that doesn't change the fact that Bill is the greatest coach in nfl history and we dont have 6 rings w/o him.

Ring 6 said:

I know the fact is that Kraft asked him what it would take to keep him here. He said nothing, he’s gone.

You act as if the guy relying on fact and doubting rumors is on the shaky side of the discussion.

Curran has an agenda and Curran implies a bunch of things. That is rumor. But all of those rumors are meaningless to me when I know with certainty that before he was left Brady was asked to request whatever he wanted and he said nothing, I’m gone. If the rumors were true, he never would have said that.

By the way when did I ever say I know the inside scoop. I am literally saying you can’t argue from an “inside scoop” because it’s just rumor.
Dismissing rumor is not replacing it with your own belief, it’s dismissing rumor and looking at facts.
The facts make the rumor wrong.

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AND YOU ACT AS THOUGH NOTHING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THAT MATTERS! If I take you out back take a **** on you and then ask you what I need to do to make you happy you will go elsewhere if possible. STFU.