What to expect in the Post-Brady era.

rochrist · Apr 27, 2020

PP2 said:
One thing we're all going to have to start living with is the passing of the Patriots mystique. Teams are not going to be as intimidated of the Patriots as they used to be, and they're not going to be making any more colossal self-inflicted mistakes.

Gone are the glory days of the butt fumble and the fake punt.

Premature. A couple of big wins and it will be doubled. They're thinking 'Brady is gone!' A loss after the build up that will cause will reduce them to tears.

Biffins · Apr 27, 2020

Zuma said:
I'm with ya bro. Screw these people can't or won't see into the future...tired of this. Clearly his 4 career pass attempts prove he is a bum.

This is bs. If BB loved Stidham so much then why was he willing to bring Brady back for $23m for 1 year. Either Stidham was good enough to be a starter, in which case you let Brady walk and use Stidham on rookie contract, or he wasn't in which case you're willing to pay Brady the same amount you did last year, which was $23m. And it was the latter.

BB is punting on Stidham. He doesn't know at all if Stidham will work.

mgteich · Apr 27, 2020

Biffins said:
This is bs. If BB loved Stidham so much then why was he willing to bring Brady back for $23m for 1 year. Either Stidham was good enough to be a starter, in which case you let Brady walk and use Stidham on rookie contract, or he wasn't in which case you're willing to pay Brady the same amount you did last year, which was $23m. And it was the latter.

BB is punting on Stidham. He doesn't know at all if Stidham will work.

It is seems that I should mark this date on the calendar; I seem to agree with you.

Of course, this presumes that we believe that the team really made a serious offer of $23M for 2020. Perhaps they made a public "offer" because they knew that such a contract was a non-starter for Brady.

I believe that Belichick genuinely likes Stidham, and that he is progressing well for a 4th rounder of average skills. That in no way means that Belichick has confidence in Stidham starting Game 1 this year.

And, in addition, Belichick didn't have enough confidence in Stidham to draft a QB in the middle rounds, and then have confidence in the winner of the competition.

masterbouncer · Apr 27, 2020

mgteich said:
And, in addition, Belichick didn't have enough confidence in Stidham to draft a QB in the middle rounds, and then have confidence in the winner of the competition.

What? BB didn't have confidance in his rookie QB thats why he didn't draft any other QB in the draft?
yeah right

oh boy, some smart minds are on this board, I am just wondering why with their big football IQ they are still only posting **** on this board and are not already HCs somewhere in the NFL...

Biffins · Apr 27, 2020

masterbouncer said:
What? BB didn't have confidance in his rookie QB thats why he didn't draft any other QB in the draft?
yeah right

oh boy, some smart minds are on this board, I am just wondering why with their big football IQ they are still only posting **** on this board and are not already HCs somewhere in the NFL...

He means Stidham might not have confidence enough to survive a competition. He might just need all first team reps to improve and not share them. He has a point.

Biffins · Apr 27, 2020

mgteich said:
It is seems that I should mark this date on the calendar; I seem to agree with you.

Of course, this presumes that we believe that the team really made a serious offer of $23M for 2020. Perhaps they made a public "offer" because they knew that such a contract was a non-starter for Brady.

I believe that Belichick genuinely likes Stidham, and that he is progressing well for a 4th rounder of average skills. That in no way means that Belichick has confidence in Stidham starting Game 1 this year.

And, in addition, Belichick didn't have enough confidence in Stidham to draft a QB in the middle rounds, and then have confidence in the winner of the competition.

The 1 yr for $23m is well documented. Brady wanted 2 years and at slightly higher number. Pats were hoping till the last day he’ll settle. Kraft said that when Brady drove to his house to tell him he’s leaving, he thought Brady was coming over to quietly get the deal done at agreeable terms.

Bottom line, Kraft folded to BB’s stupid demands instead of pushing back. And we lost the greatest player that ever played over a few $m and another year of guarantee. It’s scarcely believable. We should have been jumping on the deal he got from Tampa.

DarrylS · Apr 27, 2020

Much of this is premature as we really do not know what the Pats have in Stidham. Not to criticize #12, but last year he was fighting elbow issues to the point where it was reported that he was not even throwing during practices. Part of the WR issues was with Brady who seemed to make more bad throws than we are used to seeing.

With that being said, from my view, it looks like BB is trying to replicate what we all saw in the early 2000's and maybe even bringing back the "dink and dunk" offense, that relies less on "downfield throws" and more on the higher percentage short passes & YAC..

We also do not really know what we have in Harry, Harris and Meyers. Our group Edelman, White, 2 new TE's that might be able run routes and catch the ball, Sanu and his high ankle sprain (which required surgery) are options as well. There is also the June cuts where BB might find more options, but the cap is an issue.

Right now am gonna reserve judgement, and look forward to September.. we will see, stay tuned folks..

Nunchucks · Apr 27, 2020

masterbouncer said:
What? BB didn't have confidance in his rookie QB thats why he didn't draft any other QB in the draft?
yeah right

oh boy, some smart minds are on this board, I am just wondering why with their big football IQ they are still only posting **** on this board and are not already HCs somewhere in the NFL...

I'd just say that we don't know if he will pick up one of the vet QB FAs. I don't think he will, but possibility certainly exists.

TomPatriot · Apr 27, 2020

Biffins said:
I wish they had let D Mac walk and replaced him with a rookie and kept Brady and had some cap space left. They were willing to give Brady $23m and let him walk rather than give him 2 yr $50m guaranteed plus incentives and instead gave DMac $12.5m. I honestly think this is stupidity. If we didn’t have money for both, to me it’s self-evident they kept Brady.

DMac bleeds Patriot colors and, with High, is the co-leader of the D. He’s Bill’s petty officer. He’s still worth 10-12m, though that may change this year. You could be right. We’ll see.

Brady was done with the Pats and they were done with him.

PP2 · Apr 27, 2020

n6249c said:
The Patriots might actually be a trap game if other teams focus on Brady leaving as much as some fans are, and overlook that Belichick is still here.

The Patriots mystique will be eroded in other teams’ minds because Brady has gone. Belichick’s mystique will not be as impactful to other teams, because he is right when he says that players win games, coaches lose them.

But Belichick’s mystique will still be strong inside the locker room. The players he has there will respond to it, and he will bring out the best in them.

That is why I expect this team to surprise many of the doubters. It may not be as dominant as we’ve come to expect, although I’m not going to rule that out if they all overachieve enough, but I expect it will be a lot more competitive than many posts in this thread suggest.

In the past Brady made everyone around him better. I think Belichick does the same, getting players to perform better than anyone expects they can. The two of them together was a force multiplier that created the greatest dynasty the NFL has ever seen.

Last year Brady didn’t do that. More than anything else I think that’s why the team let him go. Now the question is whether Belichick can work that magic without Brady. It’s my opinion that he can, but not as strongly as when they were both doing it. We will see if he can, and how well. But he will have to do it without the same fear factor from other teams that was there in years past, at least at first.

My argument would be that Brady himself is responsible for a great deal of the Patriots mystique because he has a sterling reputation for come-from-behinds, something he has proven time after time, and for that reason alone we were almost never out of a game, these past 20 years.

That isn't something BB has any control over.

Will Stidham develop that sort of reputation? We'll see. That would be asking for lightning to strike twice- a tall task.

RobertWeathers · Apr 27, 2020

Biffins said:
The 1 yr for $23m is well documented. Brady wanted 2 years and at slightly higher number. Pats were hoping till the last day he’ll settle. Kraft said that when Brady drove to his house to tell him he’s leaving, he thought Brady was coming over to quietly get the deal done at agreeable terms.

Bottom line, Kraft folded to BB’s stupid demands instead of pushing back. And we lost the greatest player that ever played over a few $m and another year of guarantee. It’s scarcely believable. We should have been jumping on the deal he got from Tampa.

The NEP never made an offer.

Stop spreading false information

Ring 6 · Apr 27, 2020

Biffins said:
The 1 yr for $23m is well documented. Brady wanted 2 years and at slightly higher number. Pats were hoping till the last day he’ll settle. Kraft said that when Brady drove to his house to tell him he’s leaving, he thought Brady was coming over to quietly get the deal done at agreeable terms.

Bottom line, Kraft folded to BB’s stupid demands instead of pushing back. And we lost the greatest player that ever played over a few $m and another year of guarantee. It’s scarcely believable. We should have been jumping on the deal he got from Tampa.

He is 43 and in his last 8 games he completed 55% of his passes for <6 ypa and a sub 80 QBs rating.
It was ending soon. The reason to keep him another year or 2 was sentimental not strategic.
He can’t turn back the clock. I love brady and appreciate his greatness more than anyone but the guy who was out there last year wasn’t the same as the guy won championships. I’m not sure why anyone expected him to be but I totally understand why so many hopes he was.

DarrylS · Apr 27, 2020

Ring 6 said:
He is 43 and in his last 8 games he completed 55% of his passes for <6 ypa and a sub 80 QBs rating.
It was ending soon. The reason to keep him another year or 2 was sentimental not strategic.
He can’t turn back the clock. I love brady and appreciate his greatness more than anyone but the guy who was out there last year wasn’t the same as the guy won championships. I’m not sure why anyone expected him to be but I totally understand why so many hopes he was.

I agree remember last year there were rumors that he was not even throwing in practice at the last half of the season, elbow issues I believe. A much as we all love #12 many passes he threw toward the end were off target, so the double whammy of not throwing to his receivers in practice and medically diminished skills created a scenario that the Pats needed to be realistic in their offers to him. If fans did not see the fall off they must have been wearing rosey colored glasses..

Tom is the goat, but his ego seems to have somewhat taken over.. "Tompa Brady" really?? Where has the guy who was all in for the team gone??

amfootball · Apr 27, 2020

We won last year with defense and STs. We went 12-4. I don't see much changing this year. Hopefully we find out what we have in Stidham and go from there.

Redman443 · Apr 27, 2020

amfootball said:
We won last year with defense and STs. We went 12-4. I don't see much changing this year. Hopefully we find out what we have in Stidham and go from there.

Alot of people mention that stidham regressed in college the second year but he has an actual coaching staff now that can help him develop and a solid O line. Auburn's o line in 2018 was terrible. Any qb is going to struggle when he can't keep upright for 2 seconds.

n6249c · Apr 27, 2020

Biffins said:
He means Stidham might not have confidence enough to survive a competition. He might just need all first team reps to improve and not share them. He has a point.

You really believe Belichick let concern about the fragile psyche of an untested rookie QB keep him from making a move to strengthen his football team?

He was afraid to have a true QB competition because his incumbent would lose it?

REALLY?

SMH.

sb1 · Apr 27, 2020

I expect a lot of hand wringing every time the Bucs win a game this year.

As if we should believe a 43 year old QB who had a passer rating last year lower than Cassel did in 08 was going to get that much better over the next couple of years had he stayed here.

carmelo15 · Apr 28, 2020

rochrist said:
Would you care to elaborate on why you're so sure that Stidham will make one stupid mistake after another? Clarvoyance? A Magic Eight Ball?

This should be asked to people assuming Stidham will be good or more laughable better than Allen who already has playoff experience

carmelo15 · Apr 28, 2020

amfootball said:
We won last year with defense and STs. We went 12-4. I don't see much changing this year. Hopefully we find out what we have in Stidham and go from there.

I see a clear change in we won’t play backup QBs or historically bad QBs in the first half of the season like last year.

Seriously our first 8 games Big Ben, Rosen, L. Falk, J. Allen, C. McCoy, D. Jones (without Saqon and one of his early starts), Darnold, and Mayfield. That’s one good QB I’m Ben, a mediocre QB in Allen/Baker, than 4 laughable QBs.

sb1 · Apr 28, 2020

Biffins said:
And some people will be surprised when they see normally calm King BB make faces, throw his hands in the air, and spike the tablet, after Stidham makes one stupid mistake after another.

I’m sure Bill was doing that plenty of times last year watching his QB put up only a 78 passer rating after October and then pout about it on the sidelines and in the postgame presser.

Shouldnt be that difficult for Stidham or whoever else is the QB to be better than that.

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