Antonio Brown

Jules catches that clutch ball every. damn. time. Until he doesn't.

I think with these tiny sample sizes we should just say, we got off the Welker Wagon and onto the Julian I dunno Calendar just in time. Welker's head was getting too big.

Regards,

PFnV

Wes Welker caught 112 balls one year with a 77.2% catch rate

JE never broke 70% in any year.

Redman443 said:

Terry Bradshaw says he 'can't spell' AB

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Bruins29 said:

Oh come on. I mean JE is a great player but Cooks is certainly as good as JE They play different roles. Cooks 3 best years are better than JE's best three and Cooks had 1000+ yard seasons 3 years in a row. JE only has 2 1000+ yard seasons in his whole career. And it took him 5 years to do it in the same system with the GOAT QB. Cooks did it his 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th year and the last 3 were with 3 different QBs, teams, and systems in each year.

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Like you have always said the tape don’t lie. Cooks usually top 3-5 in yards per catch. He’s a long ball receiver. Edelman grinds those yards out. Most everyone would say Cooks is a better receiver based on stats but we have been watching Edleman for years now, so personally we know how underrated he is and how essential he is to our offense. We seen those two play with TB, both did great, Edelman just did a little more for us.

Redman443 said:

Edelman is the ultimate slot receiver and has better hands than welker did.

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wat

Bruins29 said:

Wes Welker caught 112 balls one year with a 77.2% catch rate

JE never broke 70% in any year.

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Fans biased by one play.

Angelpats said:

Like you have always said the tape don’t lie. Cooks usually top 3-5 in yards per catch. He’s a long ball receiver. Edelman grinds those yards out. Most everyone would say Cooks is a better receiver based on stats but we have been watching Edleman for years now, so personally we know how underrated he is and how essential he is to our offense. We seen those two play with TB, both did great, Edelman just did a little more for us.

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That is great but Cooks career is more impressive than JEs and what Cooks is doing now destroys what JE was doing when JE was Cooks age. You can look at tape and eye tests all you want. What matters is production and Cooks has had it. His paycheck reflects it and he deserves it.

JE homers are funny. I have tangled with them many times.

Bruins29 said:

Wes Welker caught 112 balls one year with a 77.2% catch rate

JE never broke 70% in any year.

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It is fascinating, and very disappointing, to watch the continued underplaying of Welker as a player, on this board. Welker is the greatest slot WR of all time, had better hands than J.E., was a clutch player, and was the chain mover for an offense that was as potent as any in the history of the game. Yet, because he didn't say "Thanks, Bill!" when BB offered him a lower contract than he should have, Welker's somehow become the board whipping boy.

It says nothing good about the posters on this board that this has become the case. Then again, we've seen this nonsense play out, in one form or another, with the likes of Seymour, Mankins and others, too, so it's not surprising.

Mack Herron said:

Fans biased by one play.

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Its sad. Next they can tell us how AV was more clutch than Gost.
Here is comes lol

Lots of roster uncertainty this week. I couldn’t begin to guess inactives.

patfanken said:

I would suggest you google "how to pass a lie detector test". Only an infinite number of pages to process.

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CMH said:

I believe it. It was bad here, I cant imagine elsewhere

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I live out of state and for some reason the SB win over the Falcons pretty much shut everyone up.
Why not the Seattle game is beyond me.
I don't even have to say anything when someone says they have to cheat to win.
Other fans step in and say "They have Brady and Belichik." Enough said.

Deus Irae said:

It is fascinating, and very disappointing, to watch the continued underplaying of Welker as a player, on this board. Welker is the greatest slot WR of all time, had better hands that J.E., was a clutch player, and was the chain mover for an offense that was as potent as any in the history of the game. Yet, because he didn't say "Thanks, Bill!" when BB offered him a lower contract than he should have, Welker's somehow become the board whipping boy.

It says nothing good about the posters on this board that this has become the case. Then again, we've seen this nonsense play out, in one form or another, with the likes of Seymour, Mankins and others, too, so it's not surprising.

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The rest of your post is right except Welker was not super clutch in the playoffs.

Bruins29 said:

Wes Welker caught 112 balls one year with a 77.2% catch rate

JE never broke 70% in any year.

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Is that statistic adjusted for catchable throws? There’s a distinction.

Edelman runs a greater variety of routes and works down the field a lot more than Welker ever did.

Those downfield throws are obviously lower percentage than the short-area stuff Welker did.

Bruins29 said:

That is great but Cooks career is more impressive than JEs and what Cooks is doing now destroys what JE was doing when JE was Cooks age. You can look at tape and eye tests all you want. What matters is production and Cooks has had it. His paycheck reflects it and he deserves it.

JE homers are funny. I have tangled with them many times.

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JE is much tougher than Cooks is, IMO. Much more willing to receive contact in order to catch a ball and/or gain a first down.

The receiver position is about much more than just catching ball; there’s blocking to consider, which Edelman does much better than Cooks.

Cooks has more raw talent in terms of speed and explosiveness, and he’s a great pure receiver. But I’m not sure he’s the more complete football player.

Bruins29 said:

That is great but Cooks career is more impressive than JEs and what Cooks is doing now destroys what JE was doing when JE was Cooks age. You can look at tape and eye tests all you want. What matters is production and Cooks has had it. His paycheck reflects it and he deserves it.

JE homers are funny. I have tangled with them many times.

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Not surprising considering how many people think Edelman is better than Welker.

Bruins29 said:

That is great but Cooks career is more impressive than JEs and what Cooks is doing now destroys what JE was doing when JE was Cooks age. You can look at tape and eye tests all you want. What matters is production and Cooks has had it. His paycheck reflects it and he deserves it.

JE homers are funny. I have tangled with them many times.

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The only thing Cooks does well is drop passes in the Superbowl

Marqui said:

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Yeah really Jules actually drops a fair amount of passes, fortunately they are rarely in big moments.

People forget Wes lost like three year years of his prime in the playoffs (2008-2010) from injuries to him and Tom.

Marqui said:

The rest of your post is right except Welker was not super clutch in the playoffs.

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Should have been the MVP of SB42.

It feels like WWW is a forgotten man in Pats history. He was a GREAT player for us with two unfortunate drops.

dreighver said:

Is that statistic adjusted for catchable throws? There’s a distinction.

Edelman runs a greater variety of routes and works down the field a lot more than Welker ever did.

Those downfield throws are obviously lower percentage than the short-area stuff Welker did.

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WW certainly benefited from playing the slot more exclusively than JE. Only because WW was just superior at it with incredible curability. I guess if JE played as much slot as WW his % would go up. But we can speculate as much as we like. I cant prove a negative. All I know is what was done. This is what the numbers look like below. Not everyone on this list played just the slot.

Patriots Wide Receivers with the highest catch % since 2001:

1. Phillip Dorsett 73.3%
2. Wes Welker 72.9%
3. Danny Amendola 70.3%
4. Troy Brown 66.7%
5. Julian Edelman 66.3%