My "no way it's gonna happen, but it would rock if it did" Mock

[LuthierJr]

Pick #7: traded with Vikings for their first and fifth round, and a 2nd round next year. The Viking select Vernon Gholston as a need for a DE and because they couldn't work out anything with the Chiefs for Allen.

Pick #17 (from vikings): Patriots select Jerod Mayo LB-Tennessee

Trade: Pats trade #62 with Atlanta's #37. We give up #62 and next years 2nd round pick we just got from the vikings.

Pick #37 Pats select Antoine Cason CB Arizona

Pick #69 Pats select Xaiver Adibi LB Virgina Tech

Pick #94 Pats select Terrell Thomas CB USC

Round 4 Brad Cottam TE Tennessee

Round 5 (vikings pick): Jacob Hester FB LSU

Round 5 (pats pick) DJ Wolfe CB Oklahoma

Round 6 Durant Brooks P Georgia Tech

Round 7 James Blair OT Western Michigan

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Pick #7: traded with Vikings for their first and fifth round, and a 2nd round next year. The Viking select Vernon Gholston as a need for a DE and because they couldn't work out anything with the Chiefs for Allen.

Nice fantasy, though I think the Vikes would be better off staying put and taking Harvey or Merling who would be better fits in their defense. Still we can hope!

Pick #17 (from vikings): Patriots select Jerod Mayo LB-Tennessee

Good pick.

Trade: Pats trade #62 with Atlanta's #37. We give up #62 and next years 2nd round pick we just got from the vikings.

Pick #37 Pats select Antoine Cason CB Arizona

I like this fantasy so far!

Pick #69 Pats select Xaiver Adibi LB Virgina Tech

Don't see it, good kid, but I don't see him in a 3-4 the way the Pats play it.

Pick #94 Pats select Terrell Thomas CB LSU

I think this kid moves to Safety in the NFL, not my choice at this point in the draft, but okay value.

Round 4 Brad Cottam TE Tennessee

I'd be shocked if he lasted past the middle third.

Round 5 (vikings pick): Jacob Hester FB LSU

A round too early, but an excellent pick.

Round 5 (pats pick) DJ Wolfe CB Oklahoma

Good value.

Round 6 Durant Brooks P Georgia Tech

Tempting, I always choose another direction, but tempting.

Round 7 James Blair OT Western Michigan

Don't know this kid...

Not a bad draft.

 

[ALP]

Not a bad draft.

i dissagree...the draft is terrible....and its fantasy?

mayo in the FIRST???

where have u seen him ranked that high? i see him as a THIRD ROUNDER, and thats a long shot...

if were at 17, we take groves, then with second pick we take cason, and then chris johnson/desean jackson

followed by jonathan goff

^^^thats a fantasy draft, LOL

 

[NePatriots]

Not to nitpick, but do you want Thomas USC or Jackson LSU? I'd like Jackson from LSU over Thomas. Mayo and Cason would be solid though.

 

[LuthierJr]

Not to nitpick, but do you want Thomas USC or Jackson LSU? I'd like Jackson from LSU over Thomas. Mayo and Cason would be solid though.

yeah your right. I was going back and forth between jackson and thomas, but I figured Jackson wouldn't be there so I penciled in thomas and forgot to change the school....fixed now.

 

[LuthierJr]

i dissagree...the draft is terrible....and its fantasy?

mayo in the FIRST???

where have u seen him ranked that high? i see him as a THIRD ROUNDER, and thats a long shot...

if were at 17, we take groves, then with second pick we take cason, and then chris johnson/desean jackson

followed by jonathan goff

^^^thats a fantasy draft, LOL

Mayo is rated as the #2 LB by scouts inc. (only behind Keith Rivers) and is rated the #20 overall http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/position?id=89&draftyear=2008

Instead you suggest we take the 51st overall player and 8th in his position.

Also Mayo is in LOTS of first round Mocks... where have you been? Maybe not as high as 17 (although his is in quite a few) but FAR higher than a 3rd round reach....

 

[DaBruinz]

Pick #7: traded with Vikings for their first and fifth round, and a 2nd round next year. The Viking select Vernon Gholston as a need for a DE and because they couldn't work out anything with the Chiefs for Allen.

Pick #17 (from vikings): Patriots select Jerod Mayo LB-Tennessee

Trade: Pats trade #62 with Atlanta's #37. We give up #62 and next years 2nd round pick we just got from the vikings.

You have the Pats getting great value then you have them selling the farm to move up? I don't see that happening. Getting the Vikings 2nd this year and then using it to move up with a 4th round pick is more likely.

Pick #37 Pats select Antoine Cason CB Arizona

I think Cason is a great pick.

Pick #69 Pats select Xaiver Adibi LB Virgina Tech

Gotta agree with others that I don't see Adibi being a 3-4 LB.

Pick #94 Pats select Terrell Thomas CB LSU

Thomas is headed to be a safety in the NFL.

Round 4 Brad Cottam TE Tennessee

OK. good value.

Round 5 (vikings pick): Jacob Hester FB LSU

Good value, but I don't see the Pats drafting a FB. Not with Eckel and Evans already on the team.

Round 5 (pats pick) DJ Wolfe CB Oklahoma

Projects more as a SS, but is supposedly very versatile and could also be a FS or CB.

Round 6 Durant Brooks P Georgia Tech

With the Pats signing Scott Player, its unlikely that they'll be drafting a punter.

Round 7 James Blair OT Western Michigan

I don't see Blair fitting into the Pats Offensive system since he is a power guy with marginal ability to pull for screens and sweeps.

 

[DaBruinz]

i dissagree...the draft is terrible....and its fantasy?

mayo in the FIRST???

where have u seen him ranked that high? i see him as a THIRD ROUNDER, and thats a long shot...

if were at 17, we take groves, then with second pick we take cason, and then chris johnson/desean jackson

followed by jonathan goff

^^^thats a fantasy draft, LOL

Alp - You are behind the times. Mayo has risen tremendously because people re-evaluated his game tapes and such. Mayo is, legitimately, a late 1st round pick. And the Pats have been known to take players higher than they were projected.

 

[LuthierJr]

You have the Pats getting great value then you have them selling the farm to move up? I don't see that happening. Getting the Vikings 2nd this year and then using it to move up with a 4th round pick is more likely. -snip-

I agree it is a bit of a stretch but looking at the trade chart the numbers line up pretty decently (I know the trade chart isn't the end all be all, but for a outsider looking in it's almost all I have to go off right now)

The numbers on this trade:

Pats #7 = 1,570 points

Vikes #17 = 1,070 points
Vikes 2nd round next year (apx #45ish)= 450 points
Vikes #145=33.5 points
Vikes point total in this trade: 1,553.5 points

 

[LuthierJr]

Gotta agree with others that I don't see Adibi being a 3-4 LB.

I would actually prefer Lofton here, but I doubt he will fall this far. Any other suggestions at LB here?


Thomas is headed to be a safety in the NFL.

I would also prefer Chevis Jackson here, but again I don't think he would have been here.

Good value, but I don't see the Pats drafting a FB. Not with Eckel and Evans already on the team.

I was thinking of Hester being more of a hybrid player here. Not just a FB, but a Kevin Faulk-ish kind of guy. Versatile, although not as fast as Faulk. He has great hands though.

Projects more as a SS, but is supposedly very versatile and could also be a FS or CB.

I watched him a lot being an OU fan. He is versatile and I think with some work he would be a solid CB/SS






With the Pats signing Scott Player, its unlikely that they'll be drafting a punter.

That's right....we just got the hulk. I totally forgot. hmm... need to rethink this one.



I don't see Blair fitting into the Pats Offensive system since he is a power guy with marginal ability to pull for screens and sweeps.

I was hoping he would be a guy to come in with power sets, but I agree he is not very versatile, but at this point I was looking for a project.

Thanks for the comments. I'll probably go back and alter it all after some more discussion.

 

[DaBruinz]

I agree it is a bit of a stretch but looking at the trade chart the numbers line up pretty decently (I know the trade chart isn't the end all be all, but for a outsider looking in it's almost all I have to go off right now)

The numbers on this trade:

Pats #7 = 1,570 points

Vikes #17 = 1,070 points
Vikes 2nd round next year (apx #45ish)= 450 points
Vikes #145=33.5 points
Vikes point total in this trade: 1,553.5 points

The draft chart is outdated and doesn't take into consideration that the top 16 get an extra year of a contract. Also, You did not DISCOUNT the 2nd from next year the way you are supposed to. The second next year is the equivalent of a 3rd this year. Which lowers the number of points its worth.

Most people feel that the Cowboys would need to add either a player or another draft to the #22 and #27 picks to move up to #7.
I developed my own draft value chart which I feel takes the contract changes into consideration to show this.
http://www.geocities.com/nh_wynter/DraftValueChart.htm

If you look, the 22nd and 27th picks have values of 1225 points and 1025 points, respectively, for a total of 2250 points. The 7th has a value of 2430 points. So, it would take a mid 5th or so for it to balance out.

With what you are proposing, the Vikings offer the following:
#17 - 1425 points.
2nd round next year (3rd this year equivalent) - 425 points
5th round pick - 161 points.

Thats a total of 2011 points. Which is more than 400 points short of what is needed. So you are selling the Pats short by another 3rd round pick.

Then, you look at the second trade you mentioned. Which was the Pats trading #62 and the 2nd round pick next year, for the #37.

The #37, in my scenario, is only worth 711 points. The #62 is worth 536 and the 2nd from next year is worth the 425. So you have the Pats over-paying by over 200 points.

Anyways. Just food for thought.

 

[DaBruinz]

Why do people like Lofton so much? I mean, seriously, he's a slow-footed LB who has issues in coverage. Don't the Pats have that issue NOW?

Personally, I like Goff and Mayo. But taking them both doesn't address the OLB issue.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Pick #7: traded with Vikings for their first and fifth round, and a 2nd round next year. The Viking select Vernon Gholston as a need for a DE and because they couldn't work out anything with the Chiefs for Allen.

Pick #17 (from vikings): Patriots select Jerod Mayo LB-Tennessee

Trade: Pats trade #62 with Atlanta's #37. We give up #62 and next years 2nd round pick we just got from the vikings.

Pick #37 Pats select Antoine Cason CB Arizona

Pick #69 Pats select Xaiver Adibi LB Virgina Tech

Pick #94 Pats select Terrell Thomas CB USC

Round 4 Brad Cottam TE Tennessee

Round 5 (vikings pick): Jacob Hester FB LSU

Round 5 (pats pick) DJ Wolfe CB Oklahoma

Round 6 Durant Brooks P Georgia Tech

Round 7 James Blair OT Western Michigan

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why is everyone so high on this antoine cason kid? i saw video of him and he looks like another asante samuel. i want a SHUTDOWN corner.

 

[LuthierJr]

Why do people like Lofton so much? I mean, seriously, he's a slow-footed LB who has issues in coverage. Don't the Pats have that issue NOW?

Personally, I like Goff and Mayo. But taking them both doesn't address the OLB issue.

Lofton is not really that slow. Ran a 4.67 at his ProDay (4.77 at the combine)....that's not fast by any stretch but it's not slow. For comparison sake Goff ran a 4.63, and Mayo ran a 4.54 (3rd fastest of the LB's in the combine) But I think Loftons instincts make him play a little faster than 4.67. I agree though he is only average in coverage, but with a little work I think he could be a total stud. I like Goff too though.

here is a quote from nfldraftscout.com

"04/08/08 - 2008 Rang's Gang: ILB - Curtis Lofton, Oklahoma: I admit it. I'm a sucker for instinctive middle linebackers with explosive hitting ability. Lofton is exactly that. He only has one starting season under his belt and Oklahoma's history of producing over-hyped collegiate stars with limited NFL production (with the exception of Tommie Harris) is a bit disconcerting. Slower than expected times at the Combine (4.77) don't worry me in the slightest due to Lofton's instincts and combination of hand play and lateral quickness in sifting through blocks. He gets to the ball carrier quickly and brings the pain when he arrives, as evidenced by his 157 tackles -- the most by any defender of the Bob Stoops era -- and his four forced fumbles. I was higher on Lofa Tatupu and DeMeco Ryans than most and am again with this kid. I see Lofton as having an immediate impact at the next level and quite possibly posting better career numbers than several of the linebackers drafted ahead of him. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com"

 

[LuthierJr]

thanks for the lesson in the draft numbers... really I didn't know that...I thought it was a tad more simple than that

 

[ALP]

oww, i just checked up on mayo...

i cant believe where he is being projected? what happened since his combine? nothing....

NO idea why he is anywhere in the 1st round, but i doubt whichever team takes him will be happy a couple of years later

 

[ctpatsfan77]

With the Pats signing Scott Player, its unlikely that they'll be drafting a punter.

Don't be so sure--they signed Martín Gramática a month before they drafted Gostkowski. It could well be an insurance move, nothing more (heck, the Pats ended the 2006 season with five punters on the payroll).

 

[LuthierJr]

Don't be so sure--they signed Martín Gramática a month before they drafted Gostkowski. It could well be an insurance move, nothing more (heck, the Pats ended the 2006 season with five punters on the payroll).

Good point. Do we really think either of the punters are THE punter for us long term? I don't. I like Brooks (and he is rated the #1 punter in the draft) but the kid from ND state looks nice too with a little work. He has a heck of a leg.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

oww, i just checked up on mayo...

what happened since his combine? nothing....

What happened since the Combine is Mayo's numbers caused people to go back and look at his game tape again. Reportedly Mayo improved over the course of the season playing a new position (MLB after being an OLB). I'd call it an aberration if it was one or two guys, but several of the guys I follow for leads have moved him into the first round.

 

[VJCPatriot]

1. The pick value you get in return is terrible. You trade out of the first half of the 1st round (thereby killing any possibility of 6 year deal), and you only get back a future 2nd rounder (equal to a 3rd rounder in this year's draft) and a fifth round pick (which is worthless)!? Wow. When did BB tape a "RAPE ME" sign to his back?

2. Jerod Mayo at pick #17 is TERRIBLE. 1. This guy should be a second round pick at best. 2. You don't draft INSIDE linebackers in round 1 unless their name is Brian Urlacher or Patrick Willis. What on earth makes you think Mayo is as good as a Patrick Willis?

Those are the main problems with this draft scenario. You get crap value in return and your first round pick is a horrible reach. Your other picks I don't have so much of a problem with.