OT: Dungy's view of integrity is situational...

[ScottieC]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Excellent post.

ScottieC: Did you see "Real Time with Bill Maher" last night on HBO? Specter was interviewed and avoided all political questions. All he did was pimp his book. There was no mention of the Patriots.

I'm happy that Specter beat cancer but I'm not happy that a United States Senator is pimping a book to put money in his pocket.

Specters performance last night was disgraceful.

Gainzo - Missed it, gald that he did not talk the NFL or Patriots. I would hope that his lack of discussing the situation is a direct result of him knowing now that he should not have stuck his nose where it did not belong.

 

[Gainzo]

Gainzo - Missed it, gald that he did not talk the NFL or Patriots. I would hope that his lack of discussing the situation is a direct result of him knowing now that he should not have stuck his nose where it did not belong.

Specters lack of talking about the Patriots was calculated. You may or not agree with what they talk about on "Real Time" but Specter was all about pimping his book.

At one point in the interview he changed the subject and held up the book while asking people to buy it.

Kerry and Kennedy may not be the best Senators in the Country but I can't see either of them doing what Specter did last night.

 

[flasox27]

Comcast must be reducing Spector's allowance or he needs help paying Walsh's attorney.

 

[castlelong1]

I just have one question and I am not flaming you in anyway. Why are people still making a big deal out of this when other teams and coaches do this ever single year? Including the Pats against the Dolphins a few years ago, this is nothing new, it happens every year, The Jags did it this year and a few other teams but people only want to bring up the Colts. The Browns situation is totally not the Colts problem. Now if the Colts had played there starters and Manning suffered a season ending injury then everybody would be calling Dungy and the Colts the dumbest team in the league for playing starters. Just curious, not looking for a flame war or anything.

I for one wish we would have played our starters at least a little more to try and win the game.

I missed it. What team was counting on a Dolphin loss in 2005?

A better comparison is 2006. The Titans would be in with a win (although at the time they weren't sure of that.) Several teams, including KC needed the Patriots to go full out FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME. Add oddly, they did.

Gee, taking one for the integrity of the game. What a concept.

 

[workhorse]

What do you think, they made the arrangement at Half-Time while getting a hot dog at the concession booth? Dude, you're not so smart, huh?

First, I don't think they had "an agreement" at anytime, but I'll play along. If Dungy made any indication that he would not call a time out, it was not prior to the game. It is much more likely that if he left Fisher or anyone on the Titans know it would have come at that point in the game. Some sort of signal from the sideline like waving him on or telling one of the players on the field there wouldn't be a time out is much more of a possiblity and any pregame stuff.

BTW, it's a concession stand not booth.

 

[castlelong1]

The Pats did the same exact same thing a few years ago against the Dolphins, I don't remember the teams involved but losing that game let the Pats play a team that BB wanted to play over the other. I didn't care and still don't, the Pats earned that right by being in that position, just like the Colts earned the right to rest players. I can't say for 100% there was or wasn't an agreement, but I seriously doubt it. But I am sure you would expect no less from a Colts fan. Again I am not trying to start crap on here, just having a civil discussion about the matter...off seasons are just way too long :eat3:

Again, and I know you have not had time to reply, yet - I just want to re emphasize the question- Name the team that did not make the playoffs because the Dolphins won?

 

[Gainzo]

First, I don't think they had "an agreement" at anytime, but I'll play along. If Dungy made any indication that he would not call a time out, it was not prior to the game. It is much more likely that if he left Fisher or anyone on the Titans know it would have come at that point in the game. Some sort of signal from the sideline like waving him on or telling one of the players on the field there wouldn't be a time out is much more of a possiblity and any pregame stuff.

BTW, it's a concession stand not booth.

The Colts tanked that game. I have no problem with that.

You are missing the point though. The HC of the team you follow makes himself out to be the most moral person in America as he is full of integrity.

Can't Dungy just admit that he plays the same games as other NFL Coaches?

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[castlelong1]

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edit to add: Do other teams like the Colts really owe it to other teams to play with all starters in a meaningless game and risk injury to help the other teams into the playoffs? I think the Browns should have just taken care of business and then they wouldn't have had to worry about what we did...but thats just my biased opinion of course.

I agree with you that the Brown's can't cry.

It, however, is like a Republican getting caught soliciting a male prostitute.
If it is a Dem, who cares? If it is a "family values" guy, however, the hypocrisy is the story.

Give any link to an NFL story where Dungy said, "No Comment." Heck, Dungy gets involved in "TO hugs a naked white woman" stories. I bet you know his stance on dog fighting.

 

[castlelong1]

As Indycolts says above, playoff bound teams rest their starters all the time at the end of the year, so I don't get the big deal here (nor does anyone else in the League--probably not even the Browns). Even the article you guys cited only claimed that there was potentially an agreement to not call a timeout late in the game when it was pretty much over, hardly what some of your more sensationalistic claims earlier state (i.e., that there was some kind of pre-game collusion to tank the game). As a fan of neither team, I just don't get the hate for the Colts here, other than perhaps the jealousy that you accuse others of over your team--here, jealousy of the fact that Dungy and the Colts are actually respected almost universally around the League as good guys and good, clean, honest competitors.

As noted, I'm not a Colts fan, but even you guys here have to admit that Polian has done a pretty amazing job with them--I read last year that none of their 22 starters has ever played for another team. An elite team that's all homegrown is pretty amazing in this day and age.

Flame away.....

Dungy is in the hypocritical stance of a "family values" Republican in a sex scandal. He made a big deal about the integrity of the game, but does not apply that to himself.

I think even an Indy apologist knows he is a stupid F*** that way. If he just shut up once in a while he'd be golden.

 

[FootballFanetic]

Very good points but what we are trying to say in this thread is that Dungy places himself on a moral and integrity plateau higher than every other Coach in the League.

Then he pulls this stuff. As I said in my previous post: "You can't have it both ways Tony."

The media loves Tony, no doubt about it. But he doesn't exactly shy away from the spotlight when it comes to being the "moral compass" of the NFL.

Is that Dungy himself or the media? I can't recall Dungy himself ever saying he was "holier than thou".....

 

[castlelong1]

Is that Dungy himself or the media? I can't recall Dungy himself ever saying he was "holier than thou".....

You are right. It is the media, mostly.

Usually he is responding to questions and makes the mistake of answering things not about him.

Still, I don't remember him being asked about the TO in a naked women's arms thing in 2004.

 

[flasox27]

All I can say about him is that he doesn't pracice what he preaches. For somebody who suposedly is familiar with the passage "judge not lest ye be judged" her was pretty judgemental about a lot of things. Of course there isw no rule against being a sanctimonious hypocrite either.

 

[Gainzo]

Is that Dungy himself or the media? I can't recall Dungy himself ever saying he was "holier than thou".....

He has mentioned Jesus and God many times.

He never said he was "holier than thou." Way to call me out on that one

Dungy is a hypocrite. He is a Head Coach in the NFL that passes judgment on other Coaches that do the same things he does.

Bottom line for me? Dungy can go GFY.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

As Indycolts says above, playoff bound teams rest their starters all the time at the end of the year, so I don't get the big deal here (nor does anyone else in the League--probably not even the Browns). Even the article you guys cited only claimed that there was potentially an agreement to not call a timeout late in the game when it was pretty much over, hardly what some of your more sensationalistic claims earlier state (i.e., that there was some kind of pre-game collusion to tank the game). As a fan of neither team, I just don't get the hate for the Colts here, other than perhaps the jealousy that you accuse others of over your team--here, jealousy of the fact that Dungy and the Colts are actually respected almost universally around the League as good guys and good, clean, honest competitors.

As noted, I'm not a Colts fan, but even you guys here have to admit that Polian has done a pretty amazing job with them--I read last year that none of their 22 starters has ever played for another team. An elite team that's all homegrown is pretty amazing in this day and age.

Flame away.....

not universally. not by pats fans they're not. i doubt steeler fans think much of the colts shenanigans as well. you sure do like to speak for people. of course espn kisses the colts behinds, they're a bunch of jets fans and their team can't compete with the pats so they are forced to root for the colts and it shows in their biased reporting. when guys like greenburg and wingo openly admit they are jets fans and golic a miami fan and hoge a steeler fan, they admit they're biased and they are no longer objective journalists but are no different than any other fan like yourself. for myself, i could care less what fans of other teams think or what the fanboys at espn think. we don't like you and you don't like us, as it should be. let's get one thing straight, your "unbiased" opinion is meaningless drivel to me. see how i only spoke for myself.

 

[ScottieC]

First, I don't think they had "an agreement" at anytime, but I'll play along. If Dungy made any indication that he would not call a time out, it was not prior to the game. It is much more likely that if he left Fisher or anyone on the Titans know it would have come at that point in the game. Some sort of signal from the sideline like waving him on or telling one of the players on the field there wouldn't be a time out is much more of a possiblity and any pregame stuff.

BTW, it's a concession stand not booth.

Right, Booth.

Thanks, Idiot.

 

[JoeSixPat]

What a disingenuous load of bs from the saintliest HC in the league...

The consolation is the Football God doesn't but it either, which is why the strategy didn't have the desired result, again. Unfortunately this mediot didn't take advantage of his opportunity to ask Tony whether he and Jeff pre-agreed not to contest this game to it's finish...

http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/17180276.html



Get out the violins...



the next week was your bye week, Tony







situational ethics, the name of the game in the NFL...



disingenuous phony that he is







Or how can a team play to win when they play Jim Sorgi for three and a half quarters in spite of a bye?



Sounds like an alternate interpretation to me...



Oh, yes you can Tony...

I always kindof thought the rule was that you try to win each game.

I guess Dungy's not opposed to breaking the rules to give his team a competitive advantage.

 

[Keegs]

Besides being a wonderful person, Tony Dungy is also very original.

Writing a book and calling it "Quiet Strength" might be one of the most unique titles you could come up with.

I also heard that his Superbowl Pre-Game speech was called "I have a Dream"

 

[workhorse]

Dude, you're not so smart, huh?

Thanks, Idiot.

Can you hold a simple conversation without name calling?

 

[FootballFanetic]

not universally. not by pats fans they're not. i doubt steeler fans think much of the colts shenanigans as well. you sure do like to speak for people. of course espn kisses the colts behinds, they're a bunch of jets fans and their team can't compete with the pats so they are forced to root for the colts and it shows in their biased reporting. when guys like greenburg and wingo openly admit they are jets fans and golic a miami fan and hoge a steeler fan, they admit they're biased and they are no longer objective journalists but are no different than any other fan like yourself. for myself, i could care less what fans of other teams think or what the fanboys at espn think. we don't like you and you don't like us, as it should be. let's get one thing straight, your "unbiased" opinion is meaningless drivel to me. see how i only spoke for myself.

That's why I said "almost universally", dude (although I had another word I was going to use that started with "m" and ended with "n"--please try to read my original post before responding), because there ain't too many other folks outside of NE that dislike the guy. He's pretty quiet and straightforward when he isn't quiet. If you're talking about behavior like other coaches meaning "cheating" (which seems to be on alot of folks minds around here for some reason) I think you're barking up the wrong tree, and again, I'm not a Colts fan in saying this.....

 

[castlelong1]

... because there ain't too many other folks outside of NE that dislike the guy. ...

I guess all those people in Phillly were great Dungy fans when he injected himself in the TO monday night naked woman in the locker room skit brou-hah-hah.

Also Cleveland is not in New England, I'm sure you can find a chapter of his fan club there.

I'm sure Tampa universally thinks he is the bees knees and he has 0 detractors.

Shall we discuss Pittsburgh where they hate everything non-Steelers?

Wow are you overstating your position or do you believe the stuff you say?