Jackie MacMullen back to doing what she does best

[DaBruinz]

Re: "Man-hands" MacMullen back to doing what she does best

Take your head out of the sand.

I guess you didn't watch the video on NFL.com where Seymour was talking the company line then?

Also, I hate to say this, PE, but your original post sounds very similar to "Man-hands" skewing of the facts.

 

[captain stone]

Re: "Man-hands" MacMullen back to doing what she does best

...Bill can make mistakes. That's another thing to consider. Playing a guy as lead blocker sounds like a creative thing to do but there is technique involved, and risk involved, and maybe it was not such a great idea to put your franchise DL in that situation...

I agree. BB obviously doesn't value the FB position very highly, at all. And remember that Dan the Nowhere Man Klecko tore his knee while playing FB, after he caught a pass.

 

[aluminum seats]

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I read that article and I was shocked to see this thread--the interpretation here is almost deranged. It's an article about Seymour trying to get himself back to speed for the playoffs, after dealing with injuries, with his trainer saying the offensive plays were likely a factor getting him banged up. This is Seymour "trashing" BB?? Huh? I read over that like nothing--it's threads like these that remind me of talk radio and mediots who blow stuff out of proportion. What about this part of the article then:

"In fact, Seymour said, he will come back to New England early this summer to train with his teammates, even though KT has a full load of workouts planned. Seymour said the Patriots have never indicated to him they were unhappy with his decision to do the bulk of his offseason conditioning in South Carolina, where both he and Tanya were raised.

"Coach Belichick has always been understanding about it," Seymour said. "I have a young family. He knows that. He knows I'm working as hard as I possibly can."

Why not start a thread talking about how here's another example of how much the players love BB? Jeez, talk about peeing in the punch bowl.

 

[IcyPatriot]

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Looks like Seymour has his bags 1/2 packed ... must upset him that Jarvis Green has become better than him. It's always his seam that looks like swiss cheese on running plays.

 

[shmessy]

Re: "Man-hands" MacMullen back to doing what she does best

"Man Hands" lied in the article.



Seymour was gone until late Friday night. He missed Friday's practice. He did show up for Saturday's team meetings. And he the game was that Sunday. It wasn't a WEEK in between as she implies.

The team rule had been that you don't start if you don't practice on Friday. It shouldn't have been a big deal. The fact that Man Hands mentions it and lies is pretty sad.

Don't forget, this is the same "journalist" who falsely claimed (also, coincidentally, on the morning of the Pats first playoff game last year) that Asante Samuel's tattoo read "Get Paid". When she was called out on it by Karen Guregian in the Herald and shown in print that it was a fabrication, MacMullen refused to issue a correction or an apology. She did, however, vociferously argue her point that Samuel had an agenda - - while she ignored her own misrepresentation.

She is disingenuous. I used to respect her for she CAN write, but I have lost all respect for her honesty and integrity. Sad. She's the Roger Clemens of journalism.

 

[shmessy]

Re: "Man-hands" MacMullen back to doing what she does best

Oh yeah, MacMullen. Jeez, what a rube, she's laying in wait to spring this at the right time to undermine the Pats march through the playoffs.

Obviously, you weren't around last year when she did the Samuel piece COINCIDENTALLY on the eve of the Pats first playoff game.

Capistrano has the swallows in the springtime, the Patriots have the MacMullen hatchet job on the eve of the playoffs every year.

The Globe still cheers, Go Red Sox!

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: "Man-hands" MacMullen back to doing what she does best

Don't forget, this is the same "journalist" who falsely claimed (also, coincidentally, on the morning of the Pats first playoff game last year) that Asante Samuel's tattoo read "Get Paid". When she was called out on it by Karen Guregian in the Herald and shown in print that it was a fabrication, MacMullen refused to issue a correction or an apology. She did, however, vociferously argue her point that Samuel had an agenda - - while she ignored her own misrepresentation.

She is disingenuous. I used to respect her for she CAN write, but I have lost all respect for her honesty and integrity. Sad. She's the Roger Clemens of journalism.

Shmessy - What does Samuel's tattoo say then? This is the first I've heard of anyone denying that Samuel's tattoo says "Get Paid". In fact, I don't remember ANYONE pointing this out during the who time Samuel was holding out.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: "Man-hands" MacMullen back to doing what she does best

Looks like Seymour has his bags 1/2 packed ... must upset him that Jarvis Green has become better than him. It's always his seam that looks like swiss cheese on running plays.

Sorry, F.B.N., but Green isn't better than Seymour. Warren is definitely better, though he had a down year as well. Wilfork is better than Seymour. But not Green.

 

[Fencer]

Re: "Man-hands" MacMullen back to doing what she does best

Here's my take.

1. The team is mature enough to handle the distraction. Seymour took a small risk by cooperating with the story -- i.e., of MacMullan really botching things and causing a problem -- but the risk didn't blow up.

2. Seymour has long made his problems with BB clear. (I'm convinced he's Exhibit A of the players who "Don't like BB but do respect him.") In his comments about the benching in this article, he's BACKTRACKING from one instance of those.

Frankly, I thought the biggest example was when, after the Jets loss, Seymour threw the coaches under the bus. BB always blames himself for the team's losses or bad plays, but I've never heard anybody else publicly blame him.

3. His next contract comes up in a year or two. This is marketing.

4. It should be assumed that Seymour and his trainer are in near-total agreement. Otherwise, why would Seymour entrust his body to him for months every year, for what is now more than a decade?

Also, how do you think the trainer got the information about the specific Dillon/Seymour collisions? And do you think the trainer would speak without Seymour's OK?

5. You guys who have pointed out that we shouldn't necessarily accept the trainer's analysis are right. But Seymour probably feels more loyalty to the trainer than the Pats' organization.

 

[Funktopus]

Re: "Man-hands" MacMullen back to doing what she does best

Back to MacMullen for just a second...Is she making a habit of droping these types of "articles" right before playoff games? Didn't she do the same thing last year with Asante's tatoo?

Assuming the Pats make the playoffs again next year, I wonder what the day before the game skewing will be? Or maybe someone should start a thread for predictions of next week's Man-Hands-day-before-the-game-agenda-column topic.

Some of these columnists must have such a low opinion of us that they keep pushing agendas at us as if we don't know what they're up to.

-F

 

[patsgo]

Re: "Man-hands" MacMullen back to doing what she does best

Sorry, F.B.N., but Green isn't better than Seymour. Warren is definitely better, though he had a down year as well. Wilfork is better than Seymour. But not Green.

if thats true why does Green make more plays?????

 

[shmessy]

Re: "Man-hands" MacMullen back to doing what she does best

Anyone want to discuss how the Pats are going to defend the Jags? I think they'll commit to stop the run and force Garrard to pass, but that must be in some other thread I missed . . . .

Let me take your hand and help you out by guiding you over here:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=73513

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=73427

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http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=73462

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=73439

......and many more over the past 24 hours.

 

[PonyExpress]

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Sorry, PE, but I gotta call BS on you. Seymour did NOT blame BB. His TRAINER blamed BB.

DB,
I phrased myself poorly. I should have said "Seymour authorized his employee to blame BB, instead of doing it himself." By not stating my point in that way, I set myself up for a lot of justifiable criticism.

Do you hava a link to the Prisco article? Also, with the money these guys get, I am 100% certain they have to submit their rehab routine to the team for approval and that the team has the right to monitor their progress with status updates and visits.

There is a cbssportsline "notes" article on this from around March 2007, and I also believe Prisco was interviewed by Felger at the time, back in the day before I stopped listening to his show when Felger became a punchline.

Its pure speculation on your part that he re-injured the knee. Also, Every one rehabs differently. Not to mention that the doctor could have missed something. Just like the TEAM DOCTOR did with Ty Law and his Lis Franc fracture that they diagnosed as a friggin high ankle sprain.

True. But reading between the lines, a player has minor surgery that has a 4-6 week recovery period for most athletes. The player decides to rehab on his own away from the team, unlike most players who stay at Gillette and rehab responsibly. The player has a history of not abiding by team rules. Using his friend and conditioning coach, he develops prolonged pain in the knee after doing leg presses. The pain compromises the players ability to do his job. Now the same S & C coach comes out and blames the coach for Seymour's problems. Why would he even do that, unless shifting blame for the fiasco from himself and his client? My guess is that there is contention between the organization and Seymour's camp over the way he conducted his rehab, and it has boiled over into the press.

I don't remember this article. But if Borges was such a good friend, wouldn't he have also written about Seymour's knee issues?

Seymour may have been concealing the lingering effects of his knee injury prior to his contract negotiations. For Borges to have publicly discussed the injury after the 2005 season, prior to a long term contract agreement, would have been counterproductive to Seymour's interests. I believe Borges may have mentioned Seymour's knee discomfort in last season's article, but as secondary to Seymour's elbow problem, as a way of making excuses for the drop-off in his play. But Borges was, until his termination from the Globe, continually reminding people of his close relationship with Seymour.

I can't stand "Man Hands" either. But IMO you are blowing much of this article out of proportion. You attribute things to Seymour that he never actually said. To imply that Seymour is tanking it since he got his extension is stupid. Especially when you look at the fact that MANY people in this BOARD blamed BB for Seymour's injury. Many people questioned using Seymour as a FB and thought it was stupid. So, why is it now that here is an article regarding it, you act like no one on this board every said anything of the sort?

I don't believe Seymour is "tanking it", but I believe he has behaved irresponsibly in a way that has compromised his on-field performance. His friendship with Borges and Ty Law suggest to me that he has become "Seymour incorporated" instead of the "Richard Seymour, Patriot and team leader" we grew to love, a man who was riding a bullet to the HOF.

 

[shmessy]

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Shmessy - What does Samuel's tattoo say then? This is the first I've heard of anyone denying that Samuel's tattoo says "Get Paid". In fact, I don't remember ANYONE pointing this out during the who time Samuel was holding out.

"Get Rich to This". It's from a rap song. According to Asante's explanation in the Guregian article this year (wow! Guregian actually ASKED him what it meant! Not only did SHE get the tattoo wording right, she actually had the JOURNALISTIC ethos to ask him what it meant!) it means 'do it right, don't give less than 100% effort and you will be rewarded in all ways'. Asante went on to explain that MacMullen never asked him about the tattoo and never asked to see it. In her response to my e-mail, MacMullen said she HEARD about the tattoo from Patriot personnel.

Way to go Jackie Mac! Glad you are out there misinforming your readers and NOT backing down when called on it.

P.S. Jackie Mac divulged in her e-mail that the Samuel interview took place TWO WEEKS prior to it being published in the Globe on the eve of the first playoff game last year. Gotta love the purposeful timing! When I asked her about this, her response was, that was what Samuel asked for it to be in the paper right before the game (as if taking orders from a player and his agent on the timing of her journalism is the Boston Globe's job).

 

[PonyExpress]

Re: "Man-hands" MacMullen back to doing what she does best

Did he do it somewhere else in the piece, because the section you quoted is all out of McMullen's mouth. And what makes you think McMullen, or any other reporter, gets "authorization" from a player to go with a story?

When MacMullen published the Ted Johnson piece this offseason, she stated that she only went with it after receiving permission from Ted. It seems likely she affords the same courtesy to other high profile athletes who allow her exclusives.

 

[ALP]

Re: "Man-hands" MacMullen back to doing what she does best

i dont know wut hte facts are...

but if seymour really did have a part in this, with tomorow being so important, he should be ashamed of himself...

 

[ClevTrev]

Re: "Man-hands" MacMullen back to doing what she does best

Obviously, you weren't around last year when she did the Samuel piece COINCIDENTALLY on the eve of the Pats first playoff game.

Capistrano has the swallows in the springtime, the Patriots have the MacMullen hatchet job on the eve of the playoffs every year.

The Globe still cheers, Go Red Sox!

1. I was around last year and remember the piece.
2. I didn't read this article as a hatchet job.
3. Even if it was intended as a negative (I still don't read it that way), to think she has the power to impact the team or the game is hilarious, especially with this team.
4. Just for a moment consider that with all the speculation related to "what's wrong with Seymour, he's not playing up to his usual standards," the article shed some light on the fact that the guy had a serious injury. To speculate any further about why and who's at fault is fantasy and useless. What's unusual is the fact that there's even a piece about it in the first place, as it's not normal to get these quotes regarding an injury from any member of the team.

 

[Clonamery]

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4. Just for a moment consider that with all the speculation related to "what's wrong with Seymour, he's not playing up to his usual standards," the article shed some light on the fact that the guy had a serious injury. To speculate any further about why and who's at fault is fantasy and useless. What's unusual is the fact that there's even a piece about it in the first place, as it's not normal to get these quotes regarding an injury from any member of the team.

Timing of it too. Why now, Richard? I 'had' cut him slack because of the injury. Plenty. But I don't like excuses in the middle of things. If this came out off-season or next pre-season, fine. But now it just reeks of self-pity and insecurity. Just shut up and play.

 

[SpiderFox53]

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I read that article and I was shocked to see this thread--the interpretation here is almost deranged. It's an article about Seymour trying to get himself back to speed for the playoffs, after dealing with injuries, with his trainer saying the offensive plays were likely a factor getting him banged up. This is Seymour "trashing" BB?? Huh? I read over that like nothing--it's threads like these that remind me of talk radio and mediots who blow stuff out of proportion. What about this part of the article then:

"In fact, Seymour said, he will come back to New England early this summer to train with his teammates, even though KT has a full load of workouts planned. Seymour said the Patriots have never indicated to him they were unhappy with his decision to do the bulk of his offseason conditioning in South Carolina, where both he and Tanya were raised.

"Coach Belichick has always been understanding about it," Seymour said. "I have a young family. He knows that. He knows I'm working as hard as I possibly can."

Why not start a thread talking about how here's another example of how much the players love BB? Jeez, talk about peeing in the punch bowl.

++++++1

While the article isn't a "pro" patriots piece, this thread is blowing it way out of proportion. It's a "pro" Seymour piece with pretty much nothing negative about the Pats.

The sentence about the injury coming from him playing FB is spot on. That is where he got injured. The rest of it about him not playing FB anymore seems to me to be the trainers opinion, it may also be Seymours opinion but I don't believe it came from him.

 

[shmessy]

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Timing of it too. Why now, Richard? I 'had' cut him slack because of the injury. Plenty. But I don't like excuses in the middle of things. If this came out off-season or next pre-season, fine. But now it just reeks of self-pity and insecurity. Just shut up and play.

Once again. Remember the Samuel article last year. Remember MacMullen's track record?

The Samuel interview and research was done and wrapped up and HELD for two weeks before publication on the morning of the first playoff game.

Who knows HOW long Jackie Mac (and the Globe Sports Editor Joe Sullivan) have been holding back this Seymour piece to be published the day before the first playoff game.

Folks, this has been a Boston Globe Sports Section modus operandi for years.