I am expecting a pro bowl season

[Ring 6]

thats silly
and I would think this year we see that very well play out, and that's Maye's next step up in his progression to playing even better than he did in 2025

You think that his next “progression” is to stop making big plays and check down a lot? I think you either didn’t watch the games or don’t understand what you saw

 

[Wozzy]

No I addressed the point. You cannot program him to check down quickly without deprogramming his play making, extending plays and making big plays.

Nobody is asking him to check down on plays that were well blocked. We’re asking he become more proficient at recognizing pressure pre-snap and checking down on plays where he was sacked and/or had a negative play.

This was less noticeable in the regular season against lesser defenses, but it was a glaring problem in the playoffs against the best defenses.

You have to beat the best defenses to win a rings.

 

[rkarp1]

You think that his next “progression” is to stop making big plays and check down a lot? I think you either didn’t watch the games or don’t understand what you saw

firstly, I never said that
what I did say, was cut down on HIS sack total, which would mean QB sacks vs OL sacks
Maye often holds the ball too long and/or tries to make a hero play with his legs, resulting in a loss of yards, or him fumbling.
We have seen numerous QB's like that early in their career, mitigate those 2 issues, with out losing their ability to make big plays with their feet, or with their down field throws.
Josh Allen of course jumps out immediately

 

[Ring 6]

firstly, I never said that
what I did say, was cut down on HIS sack total, which would mean QB sacks vs OL sacks
Maye often holds the ball too long and/or tries to make a hero play with his legs, resulting in a loss of yards, or him fumbling.
We have seen numerous QB's like that early in their career, mitigate those 2 issues, with out losing their ability to make big plays with their feet, or with their down field throws.
Josh Allen of course jumps out immediately

Maye extends plays. Dumping the ball off to avoid a sack is absolutely not better than extending the play creating big scrambling gains and completing explosive plays down field.

Your argument is literally that he should give up on the play when there is pressure.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t want the plays he creates and at the same time say he shouldn’t create.
Had he done what you wanted last year we probably win a lot 10 games. The biggest advantage this team had and the reason it was the #2 offense in the NFL is what Maye did after protection broke down.

 

[Wozzy]

Maye extends plays. Dumping the ball off to avoid a sack is absolutely not better than extending the play creating big scrambling gains and completing explosive plays down field.

Extending a drive rather than punting or turning it over on a strip sack is a far superior outcome.

Your argument is literally that he should give up on the play when there is pressure.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t want the plays he creates and at the same time say he shouldn’t create.

No, people are hoping he becomes better at diagnosing pressure pre-snap so he doesn’t have to scramble. Is this difficult to grasp?

Had he done what you wanted last year we probably win a lot 10 games. The biggest advantage this team had and the reason it was the #2 offense in the NFL is what Maye did after protection broke down.

Very often Maye was playing hero ball and facing third and longs because of a mistake Maye made earlier in the drive. Fantasy football stats alone are not real world football.

Drake wasn’t good in the playoffs, you have to beat the best defenses to win rings.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

You love to see this.

I think this is why we should have alot of faith in the FO. Theyve not only filled nearly all the major areas of needs in a couple of offseasons, but they have done it mostly with high character guys who want to win.

 

[rkarp1]

Maye extends plays. Dumping the ball off to avoid a sack is absolutely not better than extending the play creating big scrambling gains and completing explosive plays down field.

Your argument is literally that he should give up on the play when there is pressure.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t want the plays he creates and at the same time say he shouldn’t create.
Had he done what you wanted last year we probably win a lot 10 games. The biggest advantage this team had and the reason it was the #2 offense in the NFL is what Maye did after protection broke down.

in no way am I saying that
I am saying Maye needs to improve his feel for when a negative outcome is apparent.
take the loss of downs. it is far better than a turnover or a negative yardage outcome

 

[Ring 6]

in no way am I saying that
I am saying Maye needs to improve his feel for when a negative outcome is apparent.
take the loss of downs. it is far better than a turnover or a negative yardage outcome

And then you also take away the plays he creates by extending.
The positives are far greater than the negatives.
He escapes far more than he doesn’t and creates big plays.
Almost all of his 103 rushes for 450 yards were scrambles , he was sacks 47 times for 201 yards. He escaped 2 times out of 3 and made net positive yards only counting the runs. He also completed a ton of passes off platform by escaping and many of them were big plays.

You can’t coach him to give up so you don’t get the 47 sacks without losing the 450 rushing yards and all of the big off platform plays he created.

 

[jdlboot14]

The last thing Campbell needs is more pressure to be a Pro Bowler, or top 10 LT.
We don't need him to have that kind of shine this year, just be a consistent blanket. Improve on his really bad whiffs, and some technique flaws that always got him beat on the inside. If he just improves 10% - with power rush, faster feet, diagnosing the rusher's tells - he'll be fine. Playing next to AVT instead of a rookie out of position should alone help 15%.

 

[rkarp1]

And then you also take away the plays he creates by extending.
The positives are far greater than the negatives.
He escapes far more than he doesn’t and creates big plays.
Almost all of his 103 rushes for 450 yards were scrambles , he was sacks 47 times for 201 yards. He escaped 2 times out of 3 and made net positive yards only counting the runs. He also completed a ton of passes off platform by escaping and many of them were big plays.

You can’t coach him to give up so you don’t get the 47 sacks without losing the 450 rushing yards and all of the big off platform plays he created.

other teams/players do, so you should post "you can't"

 

[Ring 6]

other teams/players do, so you should post "you can't"

Other teams do NOT because it is impossible. You can’t coach a QB to give up when there is pressure and not sacrifice the plays they create by escaping pressure and extending the play. Those can’t happen if you gave up.

 

[mgteich]

. If he just improves 10% - with power rush, faster feet, diagnosing the rusher's tells - he'll be fine. Playing next to AVT instead of a rookie out of position should alone help 15%.

this

 

[Salsalife]

Why would you want the best downfield passer in the league, who led the league in completion percentage to give that up to be a dunk and dunk passer? Thats the worst thing you could ever do with this QB. If that’s what we game planned last year we would have been about

47 sacks bro..how do you lower that?

 

[Salsalife]

No I addressed the point. You cannot program him to check down quickly without deprogramming his play making, extending plays and making big plays.

See Mahomes sacks and pressures last year in playoffs. The kid took 47 sacks. Thats awful. He won't be upright for long in this league. He ain't Superman. He is at a crossroad i.m.o. I'm hoping McDaniels deprograms him to be honest. I really like the chess match Brady used. Maye's gotta learn the other dimensions of the game in high pressure cituations.

 

[TheRainMaker]

47 sacks bro..how do you lower that?

For starters, the OL isn't very good. They aren't physical in the run game or the passing game. When a QB is looking for long passing plays, sacks are going to be given up - especially if the OL isn't talented (which the aren't).

Maye needs to work on recognizing this and have safety valves in place if the big play isn't there. He led the playoffs in turnovers and it looked like he was shaving points against the Texans it was so bad.

 

[Ring 6]

47 sacks bro..how do you lower that?

Better blocking. If the plan to lower sacks is to eliminate big plays, I’ll take the sacks.

 

[Ring 6]

See Mahomes sacks and pressures last year in playoffs. The kid took 47 sacks. Thats awful. He won't be upright for long in this league. He ain't Superman. He is at a crossroad i.m.o. I'm hoping McDaniels deprograms him to be honest. I really like the chess match Brady used. Maye's gotta learn the other dimensions of the game in high pressure cituations.

He was more successful off platform than any qb in the NFL. Less than 3 sacks a game isn’t difficult to overcome, we did it all year. Why? Because Maye kept making plays.
The most idiotic thing that you could do is turn the best big play qb in the league into a dink and dunk Qb who doesn’t extend plays.

 

[Ring 6]

See Mahomes sacks and pressures last year in playoffs. The kid took 47 sacks. Thats awful. He won't be upright for long in this league. He ain't Superman. He is at a crossroad i.m.o. I'm hoping McDaniels deprograms him to be honest. I really like the chess match Brady used. Maye's gotta learn the other dimensions of the game in high pressure cituations.

The league average was 38. You are willing to give up all of the off platform plays, the ones that were the main reason we were the 2nd best offense in the nfl for a sack prevented every other game? Silly.

 

[rkarp1]

The league average was 38. You are willing to give up all of the off platform plays, the ones that were the main reason we were the 2nd best offense in the nfl for a sack prevented every other game? Silly.

in no way, shape or form, do I agree that playing smarter, and in certain situations, giving up on the play to avoid a negative outcome, would mitigate Maye's big play ability.
the negative yards. the turn overs. the wear and tear on the body.
of Maye's 47 regular season sacks, 13 were statistically attributed to the OL. The remaining 34 regular-season sacks were attributed to Maye holding onto the ball too long to create extension plays, wandering into defensive traffic, or running out of bounds for a minor loss during scramble drills.
I maintain that if Maye can recognize these situations that will create a negative play sooner, he and by extension the offense, will be that much better.

 

[rkarp1]

For starters, the OL isn't very good. They aren't physical in the run game or the passing game. When a QB is looking for long passing plays, sacks are going to be given up - especially if the OL isn't talented (which the aren't).

Maye needs to work on recognizing this and have safety valves in place if the big play isn't there. He led the playoffs in turnovers and it looked like he was shaving points against the Texans it was so bad.

last season, your comment regarding the OL is completely false.
equating sacks and OL play is short sighted