Celtics 2025-2026 Discussion

[JoeSixPat]

Celtics betting odds plummeted it’s been pretty close between them and Miami now it is Miami 60% Celtics like 20%. I’m guessing this has to do with a couple of things. First, it’s reported that Milwaukee is scouting the number 13 pick which they would get from Miami. Second, the reports that the Celtics are peeved that they are being discussed assuming they’re mad because they don’t want to alienate Brown.

Looking at Miami’s package, I think this is just a bad trade for Milwaukee. This would be one of the lowest returns in memory for a player of this caliber. Not even a high draft pick, and a bunch of players along with Herro, who is a good player, but not anything spectacular.

So maybe it is just the best that Milwaukee can do right now but it seems they have totally mistimed the trade market. Their general manager has to be thinking he’s going to get run out of town if Giannis puts up an MVP type season and Milwaukee has basically nothing to show for it. It’s been clear for several years that Giannis wants out if they’re not going to contend, and to trade him at the absolute low point in terms of the return is kind of inexcusable.

I donno - looks to me like they are swapping Giannis' 30 points a game for younger players who account for 50 points a game, plus this year's #13 pick and a future #1 if they take the rumored deal from Miami

Miami Heat Willing To Give Up Former All-Star, Several Young Assets For Giannis: Report

Here are the players and assets the Miami Heat are willing to give up to land Giannis Antetokounmpo in a blockbuster deal with the Bucks.

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I know a bunch of guys scoring 15-20 points each don't fully replace what one person in Giannis can do on the floor, but that's not a bad haul.

The best the Celtics should offer (IMO) is Brown and this year's #27 for Giannis - then let the Bucks flip Brown for more picks or players.

Which begs the question - what is Jaylen Brown worth in trade? I would say he's worth 2 first rounders easy - and more to a team that's on the cusp of contending. i.e. I would be willing to throw our #27 into a trade for Giannis who only commands more than JB because he's a dominant center (not to mention MVP winner but you've got to factor how many games he and Brown have played in the last season)

Both JB and Giannis are around the same age - and yes, Giannis is about the same age as when we traded for Kevin Garnett so we've been down this road before - though we know there's more health risks with Giannis.

But if the Bucks can get two first round picks and all those players from Miami to flip or play, I'd take it if I were them, especially since this year's draft pick from Miami is #13. For the Bucks they also don't have to involve a 3rd team as they would with Brown to flip him for players and picks.

I think the Cs want this to happen, but I get the feeling it won't, and that might still be for the best for the Cs is the $27 mil trade exemption for a 15 point 8+ rebound guy who can be a presence at C, while keeping JB and having the option of going shopping for a C the following season.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I donno - looks to me like they are swapping Giannis' 30 points a game for younger players who account for 50 points a game, plus this year's #13 pick and a future #1 if they take the rumored deal from Miami

Miami Heat Willing To Give Up Former All-Star, Several Young Assets For Giannis: Report

Here are the players and assets the Miami Heat are willing to give up to land Giannis Antetokounmpo in a blockbuster deal with the Bucks.

heavy.com

I know a bunch of guys scoring 15-20 points each don't fully replace what one person in Giannis can do on the floor, but that's not a bad haul.

Yeah, it’s really not the same thing at all. I mean you could get five subpar players that will average a total of over 40 points a game, but it doesn’t matter because there’s only one ball and five guys on the court at once.

Usually, I just look at who is the best player in the trade, or who is likely to be the best player given draft picks are lotto tickets, granted having some pretty good young developing players makes it a little bit better for the box but in basketball it’s really about the ceiling player. Tyler Herro is like the minimum level to make this trade, even somewhat respectable..

The best the Celtics should offer (IMO) is Brown and this year's #27 for Giannis - then let the Bucks flip Brown for more picks or players.

Which begs the question - what is Jaylen Brown worth in trade? I would say he's worth 2 first rounders easy - and more to a team that's on the cusp of contending. i.e. I would be willing to throw our #27 into a trade for Giannis who only commands more than JB because he's a dominant center (not to mention MVP winner but you've got to factor how many games he and Brown have played in the last season)

More than two first round picks, I agree.

Both JB and Giannis are around the same age - and yes, Giannis is about the same age as when we traded for Kevin Garnett so we've been down this road before - though we know there's more health risks with Giannis.

But if the Bucks can get two first round picks and all those players from Miami to flip or play, I'd take it if I were them, especially since this year's draft pick from Miami is #13. For the Bucks they also don't have to involve a 3rd team as they would with Brown to flip him for players and picks.

Yeah, but one of the first round picks we already know is number 13 overall which is not that great. And if they get Giannis, it’s not likely that the other one’s gonna be very high either. Bridges got like five or six first round picks from the Knicks with the idea of being that they would be drafting lower since their team will be very competitive.

I think the Cs want this to happen, but I get the feeling it won't, and that might still be for the best for the Cs is the $27 mil trade exemption for a 15 point 8+ rebound guy who can be a presence at C, while keeping JB and having the option of going shopping for a C the following season.

The odds markets have essentially tanked the Celtics now and it looks like this is a done deal, but who knows with Brad Stevens.

I’m really not a big fan of Giannis to the Celtics. I actually don’t think this makes them a championship lock nor do I think they are better than the Knicks with Tatum and Giannis and a lot of other holes. That said, I feel like we kind of know where the Tatum Brown duo gets us which is a competitive team, but still within the pack. So getting Giannis wouldn’t be crazy because there’s a reasonable chance that maybe it would make them spectacular. Just don’t know until we see it.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I’m really not a big fan of Giannis to the Celtics. I actually don’t think this makes them a championship lock nor do I think they are better than the Knicks with Tatum and Giannis and a lot of other holes. That said, I feel like we kind of know where the Tatum Brown duo gets us which is a competitive team, but still within the pack. So getting Giannis wouldn’t be crazy because there’s a reasonable chance that maybe it would make them spectacular. Just don’t know until we see it.

No - not a lock especially against the Knicks or even a western conference team.

But if they had Giannis and mostly replaced Brown's offense with another scoring wing, who might even already be on the roster, that would be enough

In short, you can pick up a scoring wing a lot easier than a center of Giannis' caliber - assuming he is healthy

So add that 20-25 point scoring wing, with Tatum and Giannis, and they're a contender

I'm completely open to Brown and #27 for Giannis but like you I don't think it's going to happen. Without Gianis and taking a rookie C in the draft with #27 would be the next best thing but even there, they're still not contenders until 2027 when they can spend again - and then the quesiton remains - what veteran centers are available at that point?

 

[aluminum seats]

I really don’t see how Miami gets it done instead of the Celtics. Celtics can give Milwaukee the best current player, flexibility, and another future trade chip.

I can see Houston getting this done before Miami.

 

[borisman]

I just want to see a change on this team. Brown has been exhausting to me for few years running now. I think this trade may work, especially next year when we can roll with a third big 3. I know most don't want to hear this but it is what it is.

 

[aluminum seats]

I just want to see a change on this team. Brown has been exhausting to me for few years running now. I think this trade may work, especially next year when we can roll with a third big 3. I know most don't want to hear this but it is what it is.

Well it’s much more important that they get it done with this being out there so blatantly.

If you were exhausted by Brown before just think if he’s gotta come back now.

 

[bresna]

Well it’s much more important that they get it done with this being out there so blatantly.

If you were exhausted by Brown before just think if he’s gotta come back now.

Except that NBACentral is nothing more than a site that collates rumors. It's just repeating whatever its algorithm found on the web, no matter which talking head spewed it. They are all about views, which you just helped them with.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Except that NBACentral is nothing more than a site that collates rumors. It's just repeating whatever its algorithm found on the web, no matter which talking head spewed it. They are all about views, which you just helped them with.

A bunch of national reporters saying Celtics offering Brown, Gonzalez and multiple firsts. Milwaukee debating which offer to accept.

 

[borisman]

I just want to see a change on this team. Brown has been exhausting to me for few years running now. I think this trade may work, especially next year when we can roll with a third big 3. I know most don't want to hear this but it is what it is.

One more....
.....we'll know by tomorrow.

 

[borisman]

Except that NBACentral is nothing more than a site that collates rumors. It's just repeating whatever its algorithm found on the web, no matter which talking head spewed it. They are all about views, which you just helped them with.

They posted a recent video of Windhorst. It's not like they are making **** up this time.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

One more....
.....we'll know by tomorrow.

I was thinking that Milwaukee hasn’t pulled the trigger because they’re waiting to see who’s available at number 13 but this report says he will be traded prior to the draft.

Honestly, the only way I could see Milwaukee taking Miami’s deal is if they simply don’t like the Celtics or are concerned that the Celtics will win a championship and they’ll have egg on their face. The Celtics are offering a guy who was a hair away from all NBA first team this past season, in his prime, along with first round picks. The Heat are offering the first round picks, a bubble All-Star player and a handful of mid players who they highly overvalue internally.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I don’t know how legit this specific reporter is, but multiple national reporters are also saying that Minnesota is trying to get Derrick White. I really hope the Celtics do not do this trade.

 

[borisman]

I don’t know how legit this specific reporter is, but multiple national reporters are also saying that Minnesota is trying to get Derrick White. I really hope the Celtics do not do this trade.

I read about this as well earlier. I’d rather have Gobert over Reid, even though I’m not crazy about either one. Gobert/GiannisJT would be a VERY big front court. No rebounds. I’m also curious about, if both trades go down, what resources the C’s will have remaining to fill the DWhite/backcourt hole. They are limited to still being hard-capped after whatever they have left to spend on 1 or (unlikely) 2 more (somewhat impactful) players. There is also news Detroit interested in Hauser, as is San Antonio. Big Shot Bob can fill his role here.

 

[aluminum seats]

The only way the Bucks don't trade with the Celtics is that they're afraid of the Celtics winning the title with Giannis. Miami definitely won't, so they'll take a lesser deal to avoid embarrassment. Pathetic, but sometimes people are lame.

 

[bresna]

I think it's time to kick off next season's thread...

And I am not opposed to trading White, especially after last season, but I'm not so keen on trading him for a 33 year old center whose numbers aren't much better than Luke Kornet's (when scaled to minutes played).

 

[JoeSixPat]

I read about this as well earlier. I’d rather have Gobert over Reid, even though I’m not crazy about either one. Gobert/GiannisJT would be a VERY big front court. No rebounds. I’m also curious about, if both trades go down, what resources the C’s will have remaining to fill the DWhite/backcourt hole. They are limited to still being hard-capped after whatever they have left to spend on 1 or (unlikely) 2 more (somewhat impactful) players. There is also news Detroit interested in Hauser, as is San Antonio. Big Shot Bob can fill his role here.

I view this as Plan B if the Giannis trade doesn't go down - everyone but Tatum is tradeable as JB will tell you so White or Hauser are certainly plausible. I guess between keeping the two I'd keep Hauser as he's on a better contract - much depends on whether they think White's playoff performance is indicative of a drop off in play for a high contract earner.

With Gobert, you're taking on another $8 mil in salary as White is cheaper than him - I do like him as a C - he does what we need in the middle, but if this were to play out I get the feeling they'd go with Reid who is younger and cheaper, matching better with White's contract.

Trading White also comes down to whether they think someone else can step into White's role who's on the team.

i.e. do they think Jordan Walsh, or Schierman or Gonzales can make the jump... is Pritchard slated to go into White's spot as a starter? Everyone seems to think Pritchard is more effective as a 6th man so I think they want him there. Hauser or any of the three others have potential but they're no Derrick White on a below average day just yet.

If White gets traded I could see them using the Simons trade exemption on Simons himself to fill that gap too - they'd be able to do that AND have a big guy in the middle. With JB, Tatum, Simons, Pritchard out there with a Reid and Queta rotation, that might be an improvement over last year

But again, I think that's Plan B or C if they don't get Giannis - and at this point I'm not thinking they do

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Giannis to Miami

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

i’ll be honest I’m a little disappointed. The idea was definitely starting to grow on me as the Celtics emerged as favorites. But I don’t know… three first round picks plus a swap, a borderline franchise player, most of your young talent.

I think the real winner here is probably the Knicks since it seems the entire Eastern conference failed to really get better. Milwaukee did a decent job of getting somewhat of a haul in the end since predictively Miami gave up everything they could.

I don’t see how Miami will be anything better than like a fifth or sixth seed even in the east. I kind of understand the Bucks reasoning. Even if they could trade Jaylen Brown, they still may end up with similar or even less draft comp than they’re getting from the Heat. But I think there was more upside with the Celtics offer. They would’ve had likely two first round picks and could potentially have flipped Brown for three more.

 

[ViperGTS]

Giannis to Miami

Yes!!!!! I was hoping the Celtics wouldn't trade for the Greek loser Dud. Miami does it again, and will never win with him. Of course Brown is back from the trade BS.