will the Pats spend?

[moosekill]

Kind of seems some here are arguing when they really agree. Probably time to let this thread die.

 

[Family]

First off, your post said nothing about his annual salary. You said, "Amendola made three times what he made on the Patriots after he left. With 2 different teams over 3 years", which is false. If you had said something along the lines of "Amendola made 3 times what he made in his last two seasons after he left the Patriots", then I wouldn't have posted what I did.

Which doesn't matter anyway. Amendola complains about his last two seasons here when in reality, he agreed to renegotiate his contract twice to avoid being a cap casualty. He was under-performing throughout his contract and he knew that or he wouldn't have settled for the lesser amounts as he did. In fact, his crazy contract with the Dolphins was probably solely because of his insane numbers in the 2017 playoffs. The Dolphins signed a 33 year old WR to a two year $12 Million contract. I was very glad that the Patriots didn't do that. And oh surprise, he underperformed and was cut after one year.

Why doesn't he complain about the Dolphins?

Kind of seems some here are arguing when they really agree. Probably time to let this thread die.

Agreed.

If the poster can read my original comment concerning Amendola, they would understand how ridiculous this is.

 

[Wozzy]

I haven't followed the interactions, but the original poster seems to lay "cheap" blame on Bill, which is also incorrect. Ownership and management ran the team correctly. The Patriots of 20 years was a case study on how to run an organization.

If I quote Cassius Marsh, Danny Amendola, or Assante Samuel concerning BB, would you give that credibility?

So why keep promoting the Kraft is cheap message from a few random sources, when there is evidence to the contrary?

People hate the Patriots because they dominated the league for 2 decades.

That's the only truth here.

Talk to the original poster. He knowingly rage baits and trolls.

 

[Wozzy]

"they served bolgna sandwiches in 1996!!"
#INEVERSAIDTHAT

Pete Carroll said that chuckles.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Pete Carroll said that chuckles.

No he didn't.

 

[Family]

Talk to the original poster. He knowingly rage baits and trolls.

I just don't understand why it has to be that either Bill or Kraft were cheap.

Why do you need to quote meaningless polls that don't paint the complete picture?

Why do you need to be as wrong as the original poster, and then use him as an excuse?

The Patriots were run correctly for 20 years by ownership and Bill.

It was a textbook example of excellent sports management between two people who obviously didn't like each other.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Vince Wilfork (DT), Logan Mankins (Guard), Devin McCourty (Safety), Richard Seymour (DL), Adalius Thomas (LB), Stephon Gilmore (CB), were all given top or near top of market deals by Kraft/BB, along with Brady of course.

And overall, the salary cap growth now outpaces the "market resets" at each individual position anyway. A guy signs a deal that "sets the market" for his position and for like 3-4 years everyone beats it by twos and fews until bam someone comes in and beats it by a chunk. But the cap had been seeing compound growth for that whole 3-4 years before the chunk increase came.

5-6 guys at or near the top of their position's market really isn't absurd in today's game. It depends on which positions you're talking of course and whether they're near the top, right at the top or the guy who's pacing the market by a bit. You do reach a point eventually where decisions need to be made (tough ones too) but I don't think they're very close to that point right now.

 

[rkarp1]

I just don't understand why it has to be that either Bill or Kraft were cheap.

Why do you need to quote meaningless polls that don't paint the complete picture?

Why do you need to be as wrong as the original poster, and then use him as an excuse?

The Patriots were run correctly for 20 years by ownership and Bill.

It was a textbook example of excellent sports management between two people who obviously didn't like each other.

the discussion started by the O/P (me) wasn't about running the team properly or not
clearly they did.
clearly, to me, the entire time Bill was here, Bill ran EVERYTHING, including the salaries.
just as clear to me, pre Bill, the Krafts controlled the purse strings, and their budget was strained as owners who at the time financed their purchase, and stretched themselves thin.

for 90% of Bill's run, he was the gold standard. I never agreed with every move, but in Bill we trust.

my complaint, is that the "he's cheap" moniker is misplaced on RK.
RK was cheap, before 2000
Once Bill arrived, Bill ran things. and the team was smart, not cheap. moreso, it worked perfectly
Post Bill, RK hasn't been cheap in the least
the team received poor grades in a player poll. RK is fixing that.
can't wait for the new grades.

 

[Wozzy]

I just don't understand why it has to be that either Bill or Kraft were cheap.

Why do you need to quote meaningless polls that don't paint the complete picture?

Why do you need to be as wrong as the original poster, and then use him as an excuse?

The Patriots were run correctly for 20 years by ownership and Bill.

It was a textbook example of excellent sports management between two people who obviously didn't like each other.

Blame the troll

 

[TheRainMaker]

I don't think we've even answered the original post of this thread.

But if the Pats want to stay competitive then the answer is yes. If they think Maye is going to do what Tom Brady did and foolishly left money on the table for absolutely no reason, they are mistaken. If Maye duplicates 2025, Bob better be prepared to have at least $150M fully guaranteed money at signing in his piggy bank.

Christian Gonzalez is also going to be among the high paid CB's commanding a check for at least $50M at signing.

 

[rkarp1]

the facilities are now state of the art.
they are very active in free agency, paying top of market prices
in theory, they will reset the market at CB and QB shortly (and for only a short time)
if Kraft get the blame (wrongly I say) back then, shouldn't he get the credit now?

watch, only the agenda driven haters of Kraft will reply(and blame me)