Former Patriot David Andrews Believes Lomu Will Push Campbell For Starting Role

[patfanken]

I'm becoming to wish I never mentioned Membu.

 

[Uptown]

….aannd Maye was just sacked again…

I kid..

 

[Real fan 02]

Halley must be reading this board. We've discussed this possibility several times.

There was never any guarantee of Onwenu being here in 2027, although I think that is now MORE likely, certainly more possible.

While we were always going to draft an OG next year, moving AVT to RG has been discussed. Of course, this scenario leaves a hole at RT.

See my post to mayo clinic.. go figure Bruce Armstrong, Matt Light, Nate solder and One year of bent Trent were the last guys who really held down the left Tackle position. Campbell has alot to want to play well for...

 

[Real fan 02]

Thanks. I didn't even think of picking Membou at #4 - you are right we could have done that.

I like Campbell's overall athleticism and attitude, but the worry is wingspan, not arm length. Wozzy is right about that - you may notice that the Campbell suppporters like Ken and Huck always avoid the wingspan discussion. I think State is right when he says there has never been a successful LT with a wingspan below 80". AI says that the only successful LT it can find under 80" wingspan is David Bakhtiari: 79¾", and Will Campbell is 77 3/8". Campbell short wingspan is mostly because of his narrow shoulders and small chest. Narrow shoulders and small chest might be an issue.

The Captain might be right that Lomu was drafted to play LT and Campbell will move. I always thought Campbell might move to LG but RT might be the right move. I am not qualified to know the correct move. Overall I like Campbell's athleticism and Lomu/Campbell > Lomu/Membou IMHO.

Good points One... additionally I mentioned in a previous post some of the LTs that preseceed Wll.. those guys never saw anything close to a starting level LT sees today. Campbell has a chance to really benefit here.. Basically all he needs to be is Matt light Esque.. doesn't need to be an all pro..

 

[Huckleberry1]

Joe Thuney says Hi. But he was able to do that in the SB with Chiefs--on both legs.

And people are avoiding how Myles Garrett, the superstar DE in Cleveland, abused Campbell in the regular season before Campbell's injury.

And speaking of Campbell's leg injury that people use to excuse his, um, rough outing in the SB, isn't that the job of his position coach to ensure he's physically able to get the job done?

Dougie, why'd you not put in the healthy backup? Esp when the team fell behind and went pass happy?

Vederian Lowe two seasons ago sucked but it was later revealed he played through a major pectoral tear that required surgery.

Campbell will be a GREAT LG. But I agree with Captain Stone. It'll be after this season as a middling LT. Sunk Cost Fallacy and all.

And the what-ifs of a Lomu/Membou starting OT duo will be a painful thought experiment. For years to come.

The fact that you think you know more about tackle play than Scarnecchia and Joe Thomas proves just how ignorant and delusional you are. And the fact that you believe that Spencer Rattler is a better quarterback than Drake Maye proves without a doubt that you know absolutely nothing about football.

 

[DaBruinz]

Joe Thuney says Hi. But he was able to do that in the SB with Chiefs--on both legs.

And people are avoiding how Myles Garrett, the superstar DE in Cleveland, abused Campbell in the regular season before Campbell's injury.

And speaking of Campbell's leg injury that people use to excuse his, um, rough outing in the SB, isn't that the job of his position coach to ensure he's physically able to get the job done?

Dougie, why'd you not put in the healthy backup? Esp when the team fell behind and went pass happy?

Vederian Lowe two seasons ago sucked but it was later revealed he played through a major pectoral tear that required surgery.

Campbell will be a GREAT LG. But I agree with Captain Stone. It'll be after this season as a middling LT. Sunk Cost Fallacy and all.

And the what-ifs of a Lomu/Membou starting OT duo will be a painful thought experiment. For years to come.

No one has avoided anything. We get that your dumb ass wasn't here during the season and couldn't be bothered to educate yourself on what people said after the Cleveland game. Most LTs have an issue with Myles Garrett.

It's actually the job of the TEAM DOCTOR to not put players who are injured on the field.

It's VRABEL'S job to put the best players on the field. It was HIS decision to not put Lowe and Brown on the field in place of Campbell and Wilson.

You should stop using phrases that you clearly don't understand.

P.S. It was a labrum tear. Not a pectoral tear. The Pec is in the chest. The Labrum is in the shoulder.

 

[DaBruinz]

Arm length isn't the conversation, wingspan is the conversation.

I'm taking a wait and see on Campbell at tackle. He didn't prove anything to me, beyond he can play offensive line in the NFL at a fairly high level. I don't care what position he ends up at.

Arm length is a component of Wing span. In fact, it makes up 2/3 of the measurement.

 

[Wozzy]

Arm length is a component of Wing span. In fact, it makes up 2/3 of the measurement.

Wingspan is what opponents have to contend with, not one arm.

 

[Brady85-23]

I'm becoming to wish I never mentioned Membu.

Membou was my pick

 

[DaBruinz]

Thanks. I didn't even think of picking Membou at #4 - you are right we could have done that.

I like Campbell's overall athleticism and attitude, but the worry is wingspan, not arm length. Wozzy is right about that - you may notice that the Campbell suppporters like Ken and Huck always avoid the wingspan discussion. I think State is right when he says there has never been a successful LT with a wingspan below 80". AI says that the only successful LT it can find under 80" wingspan is David Bakhtiari: 79¾", and Will Campbell is 77 3/8". Campbell short wingspan is mostly because of his narrow shoulders and small chest. Narrow shoulders and small chest might be an issue.

The Captain might be right that Lomu was drafted to play LT and Campbell will move. I always thought Campbell might move to LG but RT might be the right move. I am not qualified to know the correct move. Overall I like Campbell's athleticism and Lomu/Campbell > Lomu/Membou IMHO.

I find it hilarious that you're taking a shot at @patfanken in regards to this argument when he's the ONE guy on this forum who has actual football and coaching experience. Not to mention that you don't seem to understand that Arm Length is 2/3 of the Wingspan measurement.

Considering that Wingspan has only been a measurement since 2013, neither you nor State can legitimately say that there has never been a successful LT with a wingspan below 80 inches There isn't enough data. What you also failed to mention is that Bahktiari had 34" arms. So his shoulder to shoulder distance was 11.75". Rashawn Slater's shoulder to shoulder is 14.125". Campbell's is 12.125". Joe Alt is 14.25". Paris Johnson is 12.875". Penei Sewell is 12.375". Kolton Miller is 14.25". Ronnie Staley is 13". Jake Matthews has a 79.5" wing span and is 12.75" shoulder to shoulder. Pretty sure he's been successful.

If WINGSPAN was truly a determining factor, they'd have stared doing that measurement back in the 80s and we'd have 40 years of data to look at.

What I find hilarious is that the likes of State and Stone, who have both shown themselves to be complete idiots and basically nothing but blind squirrels, hitching their wagon to the "Wingspan" BS when there is isn't enough evidence to support things one way or the other.

 

[DaBruinz]

Wingspan is what opponents have to contend with, not one arm.

You're responding to an argument that wasn't made. The FACT is that Wingspan is a measurement of BOTH arms and the shoulder to shoulder distance. You literally can't talk about Wingspan without talking about Arm length.

Wingspan is NOT what opponents have to contend with because OTs don't have their arms straight out to the sides. Wingspan can be compensated for with footwork and arm technique. Which is why Dante has stated that pundits over-value arm length.

State and Captain have latched onto Wingspan because they hate the pick of Campbell and need to find something wrong with him to justify their opinions. His actual play on the field is irrelevant to their arguments.

 

[DaBruinz]

….aannd Maye was just sacked again…

I kid..

Campbell, in that video, seems to have shoulder's wider than 12.125". But that's just me.

 

[Wozzy]

You're responding to an argument that wasn't made. The FACT is that Wingspan is a measurement of BOTH arms and the shoulder to shoulder distance. You literally can't talk about Wingspan without talking about Arm length.

Wingspan is NOT what opponents have to contend with because OTs don't have their arms straight out to the sides. Wingspan can be compensated for with footwork and arm technique. Which is why Dante has stated that pundits over-value arm length.

State and Captain have latched onto Wingspan because they hate the pick of Campbell and need to find something wrong with him to justify their opinions. His actual play on the field is irrelevant to their arguments.

Patfanken said “arm length,” stop trying to gaslight me and scroll up.

 

[patfanken]

Patfanken said “arm length,” stop trying to gaslight me and scroll up.

That was because I was tired of having to always say "arm length and wingspan" every time we get into this overdone topic. So sorry for any confusion.

 

[Wozzy]

That was because I was tired of having to always say "arm length and wingspan" every time we get into this overdone topic. So sorry for any confusion.

I wasn’t trying to attack you, but I think people genuinely don’t understand the difference or they’re just being willfully ignorant and can’t objectively assess the difference because they being homers.

It’s pretty simple if this math is correct:

The wingspan differential is more significant as Campbell's 77 3/8-inch wingspan is the shortest recorded for an offensive tackle at the combine since 2011, while Lomu's 82 3/4-inch wingspan sits just above the NFL average of 82.1 inches for tackles.

Total wingspan difference: 5 3/8 inches.

To estimate the torso contribution, we can subtract arm length from wingspan (wingspan ≈ left arm + torso + right arm). Assuming symmetrical arm lengths:

• Campbell's torso estimate: 77.375" − (32.625" × 2) = 12.125 inches
• Lomu's torso estimate: 82.75" − (33.375" × 2) = 16 inches

Torso/shoulder width difference: 3 7/8 inches.

This substantial torso differential explains why Campbell's short arms are compounded by an exceptionally narrow frame, while Lomu's wider chest and shoulders offset any perceived arm length concerns.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I think we should be past the discussion of Campbell's wingspan/arm length. We aren't "projecting" anymore. We have actual game tape to go by with him. They measure arm length/wingspan for a reason - it's historically been an indicator of how a guy can fare at the next level. But at this point we don't need "indicators". We have actual examples of his play to go by. At this point the discussion should be about things he has/hasn't done on tape and what the potential for improvement is there. We're not hypothetically projecting things based on measurables anymore. That's for the draft process.

 

[Diffs4]

Looks like sides have been taken here, the Campbell truthers and the Campbell haters. I come down in the middle of this debate. Arm length and wing span does matter for tackles, to say it does not is not correct. Yes Slater has similar measurements but you need to look at how he plays the position to overcome this physical limitation, which it is. He never gives up his chest, he kind of puts his body at an angle and punches with his left arm to keep people out of his chest. He also does not give up a four yard head start by dropping back so far like Campbell does. When people mention him, I think they need to mention why he has been sucessful. My concern with Campbell is he just stays totally square and allows people to get into his chest way too easily and gives them a runway to generate power. Ken mentions problems anchoring without mentioning why this is (and it happened pre injury as well). He is getting pushed back because people are able to consistently get to his chest and just drive him back. He needs to find a way, like Slater has, to avoid this. If he does not, even if healthy, he will never be more than an average tackle in my book. Take a look at Slater against the Texans in the 2024 playoffs to see how he plays. Even then he does get bull rushed on a few plays but nothing like Campbell.

 

[patsfaninpa]

We used a 3rd tackle quite a bit last year. Put Lomu outside of Will and that’s a formidable left side. Lomu, Campbell and Vera-Tucker. You can go 3 big wr’s; AJ, Doubs and Mack. Or, go Henry and two wr’s.

Teams would have to stay in base. Throwing off play action could be deadly.

I am fine however the line shakes out - so long as Campbell, Wilson and Lomu pan out somewhere along the line.

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[Real fan 02]

We used a 3rd tackle quite a bit last year. Put Lomu outside of Will and that’s a formidable left side. Lomu, Campbell and Vera-Tucker. You can go 3 big wr’s; AJ, Doubs and Mack. Or, go Henry and two wr’s.

Teams would have to stay in base. Throwing off play action could be deadly.

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Moses got hurt today and Lomu and Bryant rotated at RT..

 

[DaBruinz]

Patfanken said “arm length,” stop trying to gaslight me and scroll up.

No one would waste the energy to gas light you. You should work on your reading comprehension so you understand what exactly is being stated to you so you don't go around making ridiculous accusations.

Go back and READ what was said.:

"Arm length is a component of Wing span. In fact, it makes up 2/3 of the measurement."

YOUR response:
"Wingspan is what opponents have to contend with, not one arm."

No one made the argument that opponents only have to deal with ONE ARM. That was you making s**t up in a ridiculous response and not bothering to read what was said to you.