PatsFans.com Menu
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans

X's & O's Seahawks had a tell on Patriots offense in Super Bowl, defender claims

RULES FOR THIS THREAD:
1) No attacking or criticizing fellow posters, the players, or the coaching.
2) Stick to breaking down plays, not criticizing performance, execution, or messing up.
3) It's ok to identify who blew a play or assignment, but stop right there.
4) It's ok to disagree with analysis from beat writers, but not to criticize them.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Josh was as conservative as he was a week prior in driving snow, ignoring how the weather was beautiful and the Rams got the Seahawks into a shootout just weeks before. Our defense was better than the Rams, I liked our chances in shootout.

Putting Maye in shotgun more late in the game allowed him to see the pressures from the DB’s and forced them to cover. We played right into Seattle’s strengths on defense by playing conservative. There’s nothing “genius” about that.
Under McDaniels as the OC, the Pats have played in 6 Super Bowls. They've never scored a TD in the first quarter. That's 90 minutes of football where the team never started the game aggressively, went to establish a tone or try to surprise the opponent.

In SB 42, the Pats had 7 points at the half, and 7 points after 57 minutes of play.
In SB 49, the Pats had 14 points at the half and 14 points after 53 minutes of play.
In SB 51, the Pats had 3 points at the half and 3 points in 43 minutes of play.
In SB 52, the Pats had 12 points at the half
In SB 53, the Pats had 3 points at the half and 3 points after 53 minutes of play.
In SB 60, the Pats had 0 points at the half and 0 points after 48 minutes of play.

The team has consistently underperformed offensively in every SB he has called, especially in the first half, with the one exception being the Eagles SB where the defense was so bad, the Eagles didn't punt once so they had to play catch-up and McDaniels was forced to call a more aggressive game. Hell, even in SB 51, we spent 8 minutes on a drive late in the third to score 6 points while down 28-3. If the Falcons didn't have the biggest choke of all time, and just ran the ball on third and one, and while in FG range up 8 points, that 8-minute drive would have killed any chances due to how much time it took while down 25.

That has been the case every single time, conservative, unimaginative, scared play calling until the game gets out of hand and we had to throw a lot to have a chance like in SB 49, 51 and SB 52. As long as the game is low scoring or close, McDaniels simply refuses to take chances. He would rather go to OT tied at zero, than take a chance to gain the upper hand. We never play to WIN, we play not to lose, then play catch-up if the defense can't keep up with the other offense. We didn't play to win on Sunday, and no one should be surprised after six times.
 
Under McDaniels as the OC, the Pats have played in 6 Super Bowls. They've never scored a TD in the first quarter. That's 90 minutes of football where the team never started the game aggressively, went to establish a tone or try to surprise the opponent.

In SB 42, the Pats had 7 points at the half, and 7 points after 57 minutes of play.
In SB 49, the Pats had 14 points at the half and 14 points after 53 minutes of play.
In SB 51, the Pats had 3 points at the half and 3 points in 43 minutes of play.
In SB 52, the Pats had 12 points at the half
In SB 53, the Pats had 3 points at the half and 3 points after 53 minutes of play.
In SB 60, the Pats had 0 points at the half and 0 points after 48 minutes of play.

The team has consistently underperformed offensively in every SB he has called, especially in the first half, with the one exception being the Eagles SB where the defense was so bad, the Eagles didn't punt once so they had to play catch-up and McDaniels was forced to call a more aggressive game. Hell, even in SB 51, we spent 8 minutes on a drive late in the third to score 6 points while down 28-3. If the Falcons didn't have the biggest choke of all time, and just ran the ball on third and one, and while in FG range up 8 points, that 8-minute drive would have killed any chances due to how much time it took while down 25.

That has been the case every single time, conservative, unimaginative, scared play calling until the game gets out of hand and we had to throw a lot to have a chance like in SB 49, 51 and SB 52. As long as the game is low scoring or close, McDaniels simply refuses to take chances. He would rather go to OT tied at zero, than take a chance to gain the upper hand. We never play to WIN, we play not to lose, then play catch-up if the defense can't keep up with the other offense. We didn't play to win on Sunday, and no one should be surprised after six times.
Which is ironic because they led the NFL in 2025 in first quarter scoring:
 
Which is ironic because they led the NFL in 2025 in first quarter scoring:
Something really went wrong between the end of the regular season and the playoffs.

Yes, the defenses were better but the Bills scored 30 against Broncos a game prior, the Rams scored 28 against Seattle a game prior. The Bills averaged 28.3 ppg on an almost identical schedule, while we averaged 28.8. In the playoffs, they averaged 28.5, the same as in regular season but we averaged 16.8, and a lot of the points were due to the defense, the average on normal drives was abysmal. It was the second lowest scoring playoff offense in points per drive this century. How can the second highest scoring offense in the regular season become unplayable and never improved even a little game by game, is beyond me. The schedule argument doesn't explain a discrepancy to such a degree because we played a couple of good defenses in the regular season and never struggled even close to this.

McDaniels, Maye and the offense looked like they never faced an NFL-level caliber defense in their life, and called/played accordingly.

Considering how badly the offense played in the previous rounds, how big of a weakness the offensive line was and everyone knew it, playing not to win and hoping to simply outlast Seattle by making fewer errors was suicide.
 
If true its further evidence of poor preparation by McDaniels and Marrone.
The coaching staff failed the players in the SB
there are a slew of reasons why we lost. This is one of the dominos that fell on sunday... But it is not the only reason.

But hey, what the hell, I had them going 7-9 preseason... so **** it. the game is over, the final score recorded... nothing i can do about it - so honestly, i've turned the page.

Its up to Vrabel & staff to figure it out how to fix it next year...

and you can bet your bippies we will know in Game 1 if it worked...

Anyone betting against the 2026 season opener being The Pats vs Seaturds, Thursday night in Seattle?
 
there are a slew of reasons why we lost. This is one of the dominos that fell on sunday... But it is not the only reason.

But hey, what the hell, I had them going 7-9 preseason... so **** it. the game is over, the final score recorded... nothing i can do about it - so honestly, i've turned the page.

Its up to Vrabel & staff to figure it out how to fix it next year...

and you can bet your bippies we will know in Game 1 if it worked...

Anyone betting against the 2026 season opener being The Pats vs Seaturds, Thursday night in Seattle?
I doubt it. They usually play a division opponent or another good in conference team.
 
I doubt it. They usually play a division opponent or another good in conference team.
Is it the worst possible way for us to start the season?

hell yeah it is.

so bank on it... you heard it here first
 
Well stiffer competition is coming in the form of next year's schedule.
 
Anyone betting against the 2026 season opener being The Pats vs Seaturds, Thursday night in Seattle?
I wouldn't put it past the NFL to do something this idiotic. This should be a midseason primetime game.

And I completely forgot they meet again next season.

Pats will have a good offseason making moves and bounce back. I think big moves are going to happen.
 
there are a slew of reasons why we lost. This is one of the dominos that fell on sunday... But it is not the only reason.

But hey, what the hell, I had them going 7-9 preseason... so **** it. the game is over, the final score recorded... nothing i can do about it - so honestly, i've turned the page.

Its up to Vrabel & staff to figure it out how to fix it next year...

and you can bet your bippies we will know in Game 1 if it worked...

Anyone betting against the 2026 season opener being The Pats vs Seaturds, Thursday night in Seattle?
My money is on SNF week 1 Pats @ Buffalo's new stadium.
 
Well stiffer competition is coming in the form of next year's schedule.
This narrative is so far overplayed that I'll go on the record now saying that we will have a better record than Seattle and they might not even make the playoffs.
 
I wouldn't put it past the NFL to do something this idiotic. This should be a midseason primetime game.

And I completely forgot they meet again next season.

Pats will have a good offseason making moves and bounce back. I think big moves are going to happen.
Same. The crops of free agents also lines up really nicely with most of our biggest needs at Interior OL, TE, and Edge.
 
Tale as old as time. It happened with the GOAT.

 
Claim I saw is that it was Will's movements before a pass pro set vs run set. Who knows if correct - I don't have the fortitude to rewatch and look. But if they indeed knew if it was run or pass that would explain a lot.
 
Under McDaniels as the OC, the Pats have played in 6 Super Bowls. They've never scored a TD in the first quarter. That's 90 minutes of football where the team never started the game aggressively, went to establish a tone or try to surprise the opponent.

In SB 42, the Pats had 7 points at the half, and 7 points after 57 minutes of play.
In SB 49, the Pats had 14 points at the half and 14 points after 53 minutes of play.
In SB 51, the Pats had 3 points at the half and 3 points in 43 minutes of play.
In SB 52, the Pats had 12 points at the half
In SB 53, the Pats had 3 points at the half and 3 points after 53 minutes of play.
In SB 60, the Pats had 0 points at the half and 0 points after 48 minutes of play.

The team has consistently underperformed offensively in every SB he has called, especially in the first half, with the one exception being the Eagles SB where the defense was so bad, the Eagles didn't punt once so they had to play catch-up and McDaniels was forced to call a more aggressive game. Hell, even in SB 51, we spent 8 minutes on a drive late in the third to score 6 points while down 28-3. If the Falcons didn't have the biggest choke of all time, and just ran the ball on third and one, and while in FG range up 8 points, that 8-minute drive would have killed any chances due to how much time it took while down 25.

That has been the case every single time, conservative, unimaginative, scared play calling until the game gets out of hand and we had to throw a lot to have a chance like in SB 49, 51 and SB 52. As long as the game is low scoring or close, McDaniels simply refuses to take chances. He would rather go to OT tied at zero, than take a chance to gain the upper hand. We never play to WIN, we play not to lose, then play catch-up if the defense can't keep up with the other offense. We didn't play to win on Sunday, and no one should be surprised after six times.
When you are in the SB you play the best team in the NFC. I don’t know maybe it’s not as easy as putting 30 on the Jets.

You are focusing on point which they didn’t score in the 1st half because they made mistakes and couldn’t finish drives.

SB 49 :

They have 75 yds in the 1st quarter. A 13 plays 58 drives that took 8 minutes out of the clock ended with Brady throwing a pick in the EZ.

Finish the 1st half with 227 yds of offense and 2 TD.

SB 51:

50 yds in the 1st quarter 2 punts.

Finish the 1 half with 215 yds of offense but only 3 points because Blount fumbled and Brady threw a pick 6 in the RZ

SB 52 :

67 yds in the 1st quarter. On their only drive that ended with a FG.

Finish the 1 half with 307 yds of offense. Missed FG, FG and TD.


SB 53 :

128 yds in the 1st quarter. Brady threw a pick and Ghost missed a FG.

Finish the half with 215 yds of offense.

They had trouble finishing drives but they moved the ball on every 1st half of the last 4 (not counting this one) SB they had.

Somehow saying the reason they didn’t score more is McDaniels is far fetched.
 
you can only play who is on the schedule.
Agreed...opponents they saw in Denver and Houston even the Chargers were all formidable opponents they were previous post season teams the patiots faced.. they had a much tougher road getting to the superbowl then I'd say the Hawks did..

Hawks faced 2 divisional opponents 3 times... 49ers had what 11 plus players/starters on IR.

Hey Seattle won it good for them but no one talks about thier path just the patiots..
 
Thats very disappointing, the coaching matchup was one of my reasons for optimism but sounds like Seattle’s did a much better job
We have the all around better coaching staff.. I won't deviate off that for one second.. we just didn't play well offensively.. this was Seattle's game plan...

 
Status
Not open for further replies.
TRANSCRIPT: Eliot Wolf Pre-Draft Press Conference 4/13
Patriots News 04-12, What To Watch For In The NFL Draft
MORSE: Pre-Draft Patriots News and Notes
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft 5
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft 5
Mark Morse
1 week ago
Patriots Part Ways with Another Linebacker as Offseason Roster Shake-Up Continues
Patriots News 04-05, Mock Draft 2.0, Patriots Look For OL Depth
MORSE: 18 Game Schedule and Other Patriots Notes
TRANSCRIPT: Mike Vrabel Press Conference at the League Meetings 3/31
MORSE: Smokescreens and Misinformation Leading Up to Patriots Draft
Patriots News 03-29, Mock Draft 1.0, Tight End Draft Profiles
Back
Top