Stiddy discussion

[Pats2000]

1) BB's decision making had so severely jumped the shark, and I remember at the time it was really ridiculous that Stidham didn't get time in over Cam at the end. I think it was the whole stubborn Butler-esque going to a wedding in the summer and Cam's needing to hit contract milestones.
2) Derek Carr was fairly good. 4 PBs 3rd in MVP voting.
3) Russell Wilson won a SB and went to 8 out of 9 PBs before that season. No way he wasn't riding starting.
4) Physically, he's a slightly improved Mac Jones but from what I saw predraft, the guy mentally couldn't be any more different (from Patriots MacEnroe version - he's prob in a better place now, tho).

That being said, there is something to a guy with no recent tape, but for all intensive porpoises [sic], this really should be an absolute bloodbath for the D (esp with McD on staff) unless the Pats fail to acclimate to the altitude.

Benching Butler during the entire Eagles SB was a travesty. We needed one 3rd down stop to win that game. One. Butler could tackle and every other guy on the team forgot how to tackle that game. BB's stubbornness to watch his team give up 3rd and long after 3rd and long because a player didn't know how to close his hands properly, was just maddening. They had them dead to rights on a plethora of 3rd downs where the WR just somehow turned into their best impression of the greased-up pig guy and got the conversion.

 

[203Pat]

The TV networks have been pumping his tires all week (hmm wonder why?) about how the first thing McDaniels did when he took the Raiders job was trade for Stidham which I don’t think even happened until minicamp. They conveniently leave out the fact that McDaniels let him walk and traded for Jimmy G to succeed Derek Carr. Then the same nonsense about how Sean Payton made it a priority to bring in Stidham when he got to Denver.

Stidham is a solid backup quarterback in the NFL but the idea he is some diamond in the rough is a stretch. He wasn't able to beat out Brian Hoyer in 2020 in the spring and never even sniffed the field once Newton was signed. Then he couldn't beat out an aging Derek Carr or show enough to dissuade McDaniels from bringing in Jimmy G and letting Stidham walk. The he backed up another washed veteran and the following year a rookie in Denver and there was never any quarterback competition in any place he's been.

 

[Ross12]

The TV networks have been pumping his tires all week (hmm wonder why?) about how the first thing McDaniels did when he took the Raiders job was trade for Stidham which I don’t think even happened until minicamp. They conveniently leave out the fact that McDaniels let him walk and traded for Jimmy G to succeed Derek Carr. Then the same nonsense about how Sean Payton made it a priority to bring in Stidham when he got to Denver.

Stidham is a solid backup quarterback in the NFL but the idea he is some diamond in the rough is a stretch. He wasn't able to beat out Brian Hoyer in 2020 in the spring and never even sniffed the field once Newton was signed. Then he couldn't beat out an aging Derek Carr or show enough to dissuade McDaniels from bringing in Jimmy G and letting Stidham walk. The he backed up another washed veteran and the following year a rookie in Denver and there was never any quarterback competition in any place he's been.

It's just the media doing what they do every week anymore.

1. "The Pats aren't actually that good, they haven't beaten anybody"
2. "Their next opponent is good, they'll expose the Pats"
3. "Here's how their next opponent is underrated and is actually way better than the Pats"
4. "I'm picking the other guys, the Pats will get beaten easily"
5. The Pats win by 2+ scores
6. "The Pats aren't actually that good, they haven't beaten anybody"

Repeat weekly

 

[sb1]

It's just the media doing what they do every week anymore.

1. "The Pats aren't actually that good, they haven't beaten anybody"
2. "Their next opponent is good, they'll expose the Pats"
3. "Here's how their next opponent is underrated and is actually way better than the Pats"
4. "I'm picking the other guys, the Pats will get beaten easily"
5. The Pats win by 2+ scores
6. "The Pats aren't actually that good, they haven't beaten anybody"

Repeat weekly

Time to bring back the old Patriots opponent excuse generator Too bad the original is not up anymore.

 

[n1997y]

Why do we think we do not "have a good book" on Stidham?

Stidham was in the Patriots facility for 3 years (2019, 2020, 2021) and then was with McDaniels for all of 2022. He's spent more time with New England and New England coaches than not. The only years of his entire pro career that he was not were 2023, 2024 and this season.

Do we honestly believe he has completely transformed into a different person and player in just three seasons? Perhaps he may have matured some mentally and mechanically, but he's still who he is.

Why do you think the book on him playing for Sean Payton in 2025 will be anything like the book on him backing up Cam Newton for Bill Belichick in 2020? He’s had literally years to grown and improve since we saw him last, and Sean’s playcalling tendencies with him rn in Denver will be like nothing we’ve seen before.

He’s been in a different system for a couple of years since we last saw him. We’ve seen QBs completely transformed almost literally overnight by playing for different coaches and the changing the systems they play in. Sam Darnold as likely SB QB is a prime example.

Complacency is the quickest path to losing NFL playoff football. You should know that. You’re too good not to know it.

 

[Ross12]

Why do you think the book on him playing for Sean Payton in 2025 will be anything like the book on him backing up Cam Newton for Bill Belichick in 2020? He’s had literally years to grown and improve since we saw him last, and Sean’s playcalling tendencies with him rn in Denver will be like nothing we’ve seen before.

He’s been in a different system for a couple of years since we last saw him. We’ve seen QBs completely transformed almost literally overnight by playing for different coaches and the changing the systems they play in. Sam Darnold as likely SB QB is a prime example.

Complacency is the quickest path to losing NFL playoff football. You should know that. You’re too good not to know it.

Stidham isn't the playcaller, though. They know who Stidham is; I'm sure he's improved some, but he hasn't changed into someone else. Planning for Payton's offense is a separate concept to some degree from planning for Stidham himself.

Darnold was a #1 overall pick who was ruined by bad coaching w/ the Jets and revitalized by good coaching. Stidham was a 4th round pick who had coaching from Josh McDaniels for 4 straight years and never did anything. Do we think somehow Payton is just such a better QB coach than McDaniels that he unlocked something in Stidham that McDaniels couldn't?

 

[n1997y]

Add one more reason we have a “good book” on Stiddy…..apparently his agent was selling to. Rabes, but he wasn’t buying…
…
He later also said he doesn’t recall why they chose Dobbs over Stiddy.

So all-in-all; a lot of the ……BB praise your future opponent; don’t give them any bulletin board material (like: he was way too expensive for his skills Or we have a better backup. ); and wrapped in w the MV trademark ‘speak a lot without saying much.’ type of answer.

Looks like Stid would’ve cost like 50% more than Dobbs. Check out the per game roster bonus, per Spotrac below. At least, because there’s no way to tell whether Payton would’ve paid more if Vrabel stayed in the bidding war.

That’s enough to look like money mattered more than relative skill.

Or perhaps it should be viewed as an index of their relative skill level?

 

[n1997y]

Stidham is a solid backup quarterback in the NFL but the idea he is some diamond in the rough is a stretch.

No more a stretch than the idea that he and Denver are doomed to being blown out because he’s not Bo Nix.

 

[XLIX]

If he balls out and looks good in the last two games of this season that will almost certainly change.

Funny how you already have the Patriots losing this Sunday…. Can’t say I agree.

 

[Steve102]

The TV networks have been pumping his tires all week (hmm wonder why?) about how the first thing McDaniels did when he took the Raiders job was trade for Stidham which I don’t think even happened until minicamp. They conveniently leave out the fact that McDaniels let him walk and traded for Jimmy G to succeed Derek Carr. Then the same nonsense about how Sean Payton made it a priority to bring in Stidham when he got to Denver.

Stidham is a solid backup quarterback in the NFL but the idea he is some diamond in the rough is a stretch. He wasn't able to beat out Brian Hoyer in 2020 in the spring and never even sniffed the field once Newton was signed. Then he couldn't beat out an aging Derek Carr or show enough to dissuade McDaniels from bringing in Jimmy G and letting Stidham walk. The he backed up another washed veteran and the following year a rookie in Denver and there was never any quarterback competition in any place he's been.

What the hell are they gonna say?

Y'all may as well not even watch. The Pats are gonna roll this schlub.

They are trying to drum up ratings. They are talking to the casual fan, they aren't talking to folks who are watching it no matter what.

 

[n1997y]

Funny how you already have the Patriots losing this Sunday…. Can’t say I agree.

If the team shares the overconfidence of some on this board I fear it’s likely.

I don’t really think that’s going to be the case, but if ever a fanbase is setting itself up for an epic karmic whoop upside the head some folks on here are leading that charge.

 

[XLIX]

If the team shares the overconfidence of some on this board I fear it’s likely.

The good thing about being a fan is any overconfidence we have doesn’t impact the game. I have complete confidence in the head coach to keep the players in line.

 

[203Pat]

What the hell are they gonna say?

Y'all may as well not even watch. The Pats are gonna roll this schlub.

They are trying to drum up ratings. They are talking to the casual fan, they aren't talking to folks who are watching it no matter what.

That is exactly why. Team expected to win isn't good and career backup is good and please tune in.

 

[Gumby]

Looks like Stid would’ve cost like 50% more than Dobbs. Check out the per game roster bonus, per Spotrac below. At least, because there’s no way to tell whether Payton would’ve paid more if Vrabel stayed in the bidding war.

That’s enough to look like money mattered more than relative skill.

Or perhaps it should be viewed as an index of their relative skill level?

Yes, but the 2025 cap /cash hit was negligible 1.1M / only 35% or so more ($4M vs .$2.9M).

2026 is when Stiddy salary blows up & he becomes potential cap cut if not needed/used.

2026 Looks a lot like a fake year where they just paid a million extra in 25 as an insurance policy against Nix being a flash in the pan.

Not sure the $ amounts, as big as they are, point to some super level of confidence that he could be a starter-level backup. Looks more like they were worried something like this broken foot could happen mid-season or that Nix could turn into jester Sam Darnold in year 2.

At end of day we are all chasing data to justify our opinions or hopes and we will all not know what is right opinion til late Sunday afternoon.

 

[Borg140]

It's just the media doing what they do every week anymore.

1. "The Pats aren't actually that good, they haven't beaten anybody"
2. "Their next opponent is good, they'll expose the Pats"
3. "Here's how their next opponent is underrated and is actually way better than the Pats"
4. "I'm picking the other guys, the Pats will get beaten easily"
5. The Pats win by 2+ scores
6. "The Pats aren't actually that good, they haven't beaten anybody"

Repeat weekly

Pretty much. It’s the undertone of just about national level talking head. I love it.

 

[PatsFan2]

Exactly.

Behind a better OL than Stroud.

In better weather than Stroud had last Sunday.

With a defense almost as good as Stroud had.

Playing at altitude in Denver.

This game is not a slam dunk gimme.

Just hope Maye doesn't turn the Football over. We just saw what happened to the Bills and Josh Allen.

 

[Tunescribe]

Watching this guy's press conference live. He seems overly self-assured, hope we can pound that smirk off his face. He said all the right things, of course, while coming off like he's prepping for a walk in the park.

 

[fnordcircle]

With Nix as QB the Broncos were in many close games the last 2 years
One thing Nix had was he was clutch in crunch time
That’s a special trait that not many QB’s have and what scared me the most about Nix
If Stidham can play well enough for 3 quarters
Will he be clutch with the game on the line
Not that it’s impossible
But if he had that trait he would be someone’s starter by now

I have to ask you.
The reason you type this way.
It is offputting.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

I have to ask you.
The reason you type this way.
It is offputting.

Sorry it bothers you so much
Please just put me on ignore

 

[SVN]