Stiddy discussion

[Bill Lee]

If you watch Stid in the preseason, he can operate the offense and make the plays.
He's obviously not a game changer, but he can manage the game... and likely better than either Stroud or Herbert did, because he won't have a ton of baggage or pressure for playoff failure. He'll be loose and loving the opportunity.
We just have to stay disciplined and not let their very good WR's beat us.

That doesn't sound like the Stid we know.
Pressure him, make him make decisions, and he melts.

 

[imahobgoblin]

If you watch Stid in the preseason, he can operate the offense and make the plays.
He's obviously not a game changer, but he can manage the game... and likely better than either Stroud or Herbert did, because he won't have a ton of baggage or pressure for playoff failure. He'll be loose and loving the opportunity.
We just have to stay disciplined and not let their very good WR's beat us.

Hahahahahaha. Preseason shows he can operate an offense and make plays. Hahahahahaha. This is rich. And better than Stroud or Herbert? Oh man this is great stuff. They both had bad games, but the talent level is miles apart. He will be loose and loving it? What do you smoke before you post stuff like this?

 

[TommyD4207]

That doesn't sound like the Stid we know.
Pressure him, make him make decisions, and he melts.

Easier said than done. Broncos might have the best offensive line in the league.

If Chaisson's really as good as he's been playing it might be ok, but I worry about pressure on the QB a lot, even blitzing with 6 is going to be a challenge.

 

[Uptown]

I am not buying this at all. Nix has been a very good leader and is not just a step above a career backup.

So was Alex Smith..

 

[40yrpatsfan]

What life is that? The one where he's 1-3 in career starts? Or some imaginary life where he has been a good starter for years but hasn't had that signature win?

It's unbelievable that people can convince themselves that a QB that has won ONE game in 7 years and has lost every single QB competition he has been a part of, is somehow some hidden gem, that's going to be unearthed at age 30, in an AFCCG, no less.

I can't imagine the dramatics about facing Josh Allen if the Bills won that game, if people are scared of Stidham, a guy that hasn't thrown a regular season pass in three years.

The real opponent is Sean Payton. Stidham is capable of carrying out Payton’s offense. If we turn the ball over again this will be a dogfight.

 

[DomCasual]

Hahahahahaha. Preseason shows he can operate an offense and make plays. Hahahahahaha. This is rich. And better than Stroud or Herbert? Oh man this is great stuff. They both had bad games, but the talent level is miles apart. He will be loose and loving it? What do you smoke before you post stuff like this?

I'll counter this with a few points to consider. When Payton signed his contract, the first free agent he approached and signed was Jarrett Stidham. When Stidham's initial contract was up, they made him one of the highest paid backups in the league. For whatever reason, he loves the guy. And he's been in Payton's system for three years now.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think any of us know what we'll be seeing on Sunday. My guess is that he'll actually run the offense better than Bo Nix did. He's a decent athlete - just nowhere near as mobile as Nix is. My guess is that we'll see a lot of safe throws, with the occasional shot downfield. I'm cautiously optimistic. If your quarterback puts the ball on the ground like he did yesterday, I like our chances.

 

[Bill Lee]

Easier said than done. Broncos might have the best offensive line in the league.

If Chaisson's really as good as he's been playing it might be ok, but I worry about pressure on the QB a lot, even blitzing with 6 is going to be a challenge.

Yes, we shall see. One issue is they are conditioned for the altitude, whereas doing bull rushes when you aren't conditioned for the altitude can be a problem. Good thing for us is we do have a lot of different DL that can be swapped in as needed.

I think our defense had a strong game against HOU. They made it hard for Stroud to read the coverages, and I doubt Stid will do any better. We have some pretty good ball hawks. If Stid gets an early INT, I think it'll go to his head.

 

[turkeyneck]

The is the ultimate curse of the former back up game. Stidham will absolutely want to spoil the Pats season while taking his team to the Super Bowl.

I expect Vrabel to attack the same way he did with Stroud making Stidham think quickly.

I'm not taking him lightly. Nobody thought AJ Feely was going to lead a game winning drive in 2004.

Pats were also a heavy favorite going into Denver in 2015 because Peyton couldn't throw a football.

This is the key. BB favored giving weak qbs all the time in the world, trying to trick them by forcing complex reads. That often failed. Weak qbs are mainly weak in their ability to process at speed what they're looking at. Giving them time helps them. Pressing them hard to act before they understand, as above re Stroud, is the better way. Get inside their OODA loop, in tactical parlance.

 

[brdmaverick]

Stidham is so good that he couldn't beat out Mac Jones or the corpse of Cam Newton for a starting job in the 2020/2021 seasons. Then he went to Vegas and couldn't beat Derek Carr, and then went to Denver and couldn't beat the corpse of Russell Wilson, and then last year/this year was passed up by Bo Nix who is just a slightly improved Mac Jones.

Well I suppose that sums it up right there!

 

[imahobgoblin]

So was Alex Smith..

The issue is not Alex Smith. We are talking about Jarrett Stidham...a CAREER BACKUP. He was drafted in 2019 and is 29 years old. He is not a starter and has never done anything to earn a shot. He started 2 games for the Raiders because Carr got benched. He did the same for Wilson in Denver. Its pretty bad that he couldn't beat out the Denver version of Russ. Stidham stinks. For his entire career he has 8 TD and 8 INT. HIS ENTIRE CAREER!!!! That is through seven seasons. It is utterly ridiculous to compare him to Nix. If Stidham is what you claim, Payton was an idiot for drafting Nix in the first place. So just stop it. Yes, career backups can have good games and maybe Stidham will on Sunday, but all this crap about how he is not that different than Nix just needs to stop.

 

[brdmaverick]

I trust our defense the way it’s been playing. Add in the ‘nerves’ factor we should be able to hold them to 20 or less points.

So if our offense can get 20 or more we definitely win.

 

[Rob0729]

A few things:

- The Broncos offense relies a lot of Nix's running ability which Stidham doesn't have.
- The Broncos offense is about a lot of short passes which Stidham can do. But I don't know how well the short passing game works without the threat of the QB taking off and running and RPOs.
- A lot will depend on the health of the Broncos WRs. Their #2 WR left the game on Sunday with a hamstring injury. The #3 WR left the game with a concussion.

 

[Uptown]

The issue is not Alex Smith. We are talking about Jarrett Stidham...a CAREER BACKUP. He was drafted in 2019 and is 29 years old. He is not a starter and has never done anything to earn a shot. He started 2 games for the Raiders because Carr got benched. He did the same for Wilson in Denver. Its pretty bad that he couldn't beat out the Denver version of Russ. Stidham stinks. For his entire career he has 8 TD and 8 INT. HIS ENTIRE CAREER!!!! That is through seven seasons. It is utterly ridiculous to compare him to Nix. If Stidham is what you claim, Payton was an idiot for drafting Nix in the first place. So just stop it. Yes, career backups can have good games and maybe Stidham will on Sunday, but all this crap about how he is not that different than Nix just needs to stop.

You clearly dont understand the analogy & that’s okay..God bless.

 

[brdmaverick]

Highlights from last season:


Dude was a pick 6 machine here. Also remember he wasn't great under pressure going all the way back to Auburn.... case in point 11 sacks against Clemson. Hope that's the guy we see on Sunday. Has a good arm though and can run once in a while.

Honest question cause I haven't watched much of him since he left... how good is he now compared to other backups or starters in the league? I imagine he's better than Dobbs or what we saw yesterday from Stroud but that's probably not a high bar.

I’m not worried about Stddy so much as I am everyone.

ESPN showed a graphic on the success of backup qbs, in game 0 (entering a game the starting qb got hurt), they were just below 500. In game 1 they had a winning record. In games 2+ the records weren’t so hot.

My theory is that heading into the first game with a backup the rest of the team embraces the ‘us against the world/underdog mentality’ and will prepare as if the game is the Super Bowl. So it’s the other players that elevate when a qb goes down…at least first. Then in games 2 and up the law of averages plays out.

I suppose the one counter to this is that this game literally is to go to the Super Bowl…so all of our players should have laser focus too.

 

[imahobgoblin]

I'll counter this with a few points to consider. When Payton signed his contract, the first free agent he approached and signed was Jarrett Stidham. When Stidham's initial contract was up, they made him one of the highest paid backups in the league. For whatever reason, he loves the guy. And he's been in Payton's system for three years now.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think any of us know what we'll be seeing on Sunday. My guess is that he'll actually run the offense better than Bo Nix did. He's a decent athlete - just nowhere near as mobile as Nix is. My guess is that we'll see a lot of safe throws, with the occasional shot downfield. I'm cautiously optimistic. If your quarterback puts the ball on the ground like he did yesterday, I like our chances.

Oh wow. Now we are rating players over how much money they make as backups, how the 4 games they have started over 7 years were so great, and how the dude has thrown 8 TDs and 8 INTs for HIS ENTIRE CAREER. I don't care what a dude got paid to be a backup. Good for him. Every team need backups and coaches should get who they want. You can keep lying to yourself all you want. Lol you are claiming Payton is an idiot for burning a first round pick on Nix who has gone 24-10 all because Superstar Stidham was there all along and he can run the offense better than Nix. Hahahhahahahahahahaha. Ahahahahahahahah. Ahahahahahaha.

 

[imahobgoblin]

You clearly dont understand the analogy & that’s okay..God bless.

And you clearly do not understand this is Jarrett Stidham we are talking about.

 

[Rob0729]

A few other things:

- If Stidham had a few weeks as a starter, I think he might have a chance. I don't think he will have a chance on Sunday. Playing in the playoffs gets to QBs without any playoff experience. Look at how jittery Maye was at the beginning of the Chargers game. Imagine not playing a meaningful down in two years and your first start in that time is the AFCCG. It is hard enough for a back up to be a starter, but the pressure of walking into the AFCCG may be too much.
- I think the media is going to talk up Stidham all week. It is in the NFL's best interest to make people believe he is going to come in like Mac Jones did with the 49ers and look like a solid NFL starting QB. They want people to watch the game on Sunday.
- It is clear that Belichick didn't think much about him. Otherwise, he would have gave him a try out when Newton fell apart. And he would have kept him rather than trade him away for next to nothing in favor of Hoyer and Zappe. Now isn't the be all or end all of QB evaluation.

 

[DomCasual]

Oh wow. Now we are rating players over how much money they make as backups, how the 4 games they have started over 7 years were so great, and how the dude has thrown 8 TDs and 8 INTs for HIS ENTIRE CAREER. I don't care what a dude got paid to be a backup. Good for him. Every team need backups and coaches should get who they want. You can keep lying to yourself all you want. Lol you are claiming Payton is an idiot for burning a first round pick on Nix who has gone 24-10 all because Superstar Stidham was there all along and he can run the offense better than Nix. Hahahhahahahahahahaha. Ahahahahahahahah. Ahahahahahaha.

You're probably fun at parties, right?

You absolutely missed the point of my post. But in my short experience here, that seems to kind of be what you do. Good to know. And good talk.

 

[imahobgoblin]

You're probably fun at parties, right?

You absolutely missed the point of my post. But in my short experience here, that seems to kind of be what you do. Good to know. And good talk.

Very much so and I also live in reality. Only a fool claims Stidham is close the same level as Nix and can operate the offense better. An absolute fool. Its one thing to be positive and cheery for you team, but its something quite different to be delusional. Denver is the #1 team in the AFC because you earned it. They absolutely can win on Sunday, but this Jarrett Stidham delusion and worship needs to stop.

 

[DomCasual]

Oh wow. Now we are rating players over how much money they make as backups, how the 4 games they have started over 7 years were so great, and how the dude has thrown 8 TDs and 8 INTs for HIS ENTIRE CAREER. I don't care what a dude got paid to be a backup. Good for him. Every team need backups and coaches should get who they want. You can keep lying to yourself all you want. Lol you are claiming Payton is an idiot for burning a first round pick on Nix who has gone 24-10 all because Superstar Stidham was there all along and he can run the offense better than Nix. Hahahhahahahahahahaha. Ahahahahahahahah. Ahahahahahaha.

I'll add, what in the world are you talking about, regarding Nix? I loved the pick from the minute it was made. Payton says that he liked Nix better than any of the other QBs in the draft. And the way things have worked out, I think he's the right QB for us. I literally felt something akin to grief Saturday night when the news came out. But it is what it is, and we are where we are. My point with Stidham is that Payton went out of his way to get him here, similar to what he did with Nix. He's coached him in the system now for three years. You are expecting a performance based on what he's done in the past - with three different systems, in the early stages of his career. I would give you your Fred Sanford gif back, but it would just clutter up the thread.