NFL News OT: Where do the Ravens go from here?

[Hugepatsfan]

Quarterbacks don't grow on trees. There seem to be some real concerns with Lamar Jackson, but he's too good to not hold onto IMO. He's only ever had one coach. He's too good to not at least try it with someone else. Not that Harbaugh is a bad coach, but sometimes change is just needed.

I'm not excusing him for some of the questionably stuff around him, but grass isn't always greener.

 

[Triumph]

Complete the sentence.

Lamar needs _____________________________and the Ravens can win a Championship.

Choose one per season - RB,TE,WR, OT, OL, OC, Defense, Kicker and now HC.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I think some of you are spoiled/jaded with the success we enjoyed during the dynasty years. Some of you act like if a team doesn't win a super bowl it's a complete and total abject failure and all the players/coaches are losers.

Dan Marino never won a super bowl.

Elway won 2 in the last 2 years of his career but took over a decade to get over the hump.

Favre only won once.

Rodgers only one once.

Brees only won once.

Steve Young only won once.

PManning won twice but took a long time to get over the hump and was a passenger on the bus for the second one.

Obviously it's disappointing, but the fact that guys like Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen haven't won super bowls to this point isn't the level of indictment some of you make it out to be. You can't just rip it all up and rebuild every 3 years if you didn't go on a dynasty run those 3 years. That's not real life.

 

[JonBonesJones84]

Blaming Lamar is nuts.

He didn't drop the pass, Andrews did.

He didn't fumble at the 1 yard line, Flowers did.

And he certainly put the team in position on Monday so his kicker can make the game winning kick.

Harbaugh is a good coach but there's a culture of choke artists on that team. We won our SBs mostly with a critical play our players made along the way. Imagine if they those players choked instead of coming through. Are we gonna blame Brady?

I’ve read some posts saying we shouldn’t have been in the position for Manningham sideline catch or David Tyree’s helmet catch or the Seahawks being able to get the ball back with less than 30 secs left in the 4th. Brady should’ve put the dagger in their hearts from the beginning.

These Super Bowl games should have been put away, essentially.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think you are right and went to the betting apps to try and put some money on that but oddly they aren't posting that option.

That is so strange, I was hoping my post would make everyone rich.

 

[Ring 6]

You don't even believe this or trolling.

It’s 100% true. I’m not saying we NEVER let games come down to one play, I’m saying we did it far less often than anyone else. And when it did come down to one play, we lost many as well.

 

[Ring 6]

They had just run the ball with Henry for a pretty easy TD.
4th quarter in a must win in December and Henry sits the next series. What are they saving him for?
Never got back on the field in the final series. (Understanding because of circumstances.)

Never used the word crazy.
But definitely poor coaching.

Their plan was to alternate backs. Ultimately you are talking about 2 runs the other guy got.

If your argument is when you have the ball with a lead in the 4th quarter you only put your best players on the field, you are right, but it’s not an egregious thing that no one has ever done before.

 

[Wozzy]

Complete the sentence.

Lamar needs _____________________________and the Ravens can win a Championship.

Choose one per season - RB,TE,WR, OT, OL, OC, Defense, Kicker and now HC.

If Lamar couldn’t win the season before last with the most dominant defense in the NFL, a large powerful OLine and good weapons he never was going to.

I’ll repeat what I said in 2018 before the draft.

You have to be able to pass from the pocket against the best defenses in the NFL to win in the playoffs. Lamar can’t.

The only impossible play to defend in football is the perfectly blocked pass and catch. Lamar isn’t an accurate passer.

 

[mgteich]

Exactly, kickers are paid damn good money and part of their responsibility and the special teams coach is to monitor the wind not as your getting ready to kick but through out the game, I do cut the kicker some slack though since he was a rookie, I’m guessing he hasn’t experienced wind like that befor

This is a firing offense for the ST's coach.

 

[neuronet]

This is a firing offense for the ST's coach.

Belichick would have had this dialed in to three decimal places

 

[doesntmatter1]

I can't stand the Ravens but I do think Harbaugh is a quality coach. This move sets them back and works in our favor imo.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I have enjoyed the continuing demise of that franchise, from the consistent one and done in the playoffs to now not making the playoffs. That franchise broke Cleveland’s heart with their chasing the money.

And FWIW Cleveland fought back against it, which is why they have an NFL team now, and why unlike most relocations, the Ratbirds were considered a brand new franchise, rather than taking the Browns' records with them.

 

[condon84]

It’s 100% true. I’m not saying we NEVER let games come down to one play, I’m saying we did it far less often than anyone else. And when it did come down to one play, we lost many as well.

Look at all the SB runs we had and you can pinpoint plays that could have gone either way and the outcome would have been different. We weren't blowing teams out like the Cowboys.

The first 3 SBs could have been different had Adam kicked FGs wide right.
Malcolm intercepts at the goal line.
Flowers sacks Ryan to force them out of FG range (there are tons of plays in this game where if it weren't made we lose)
On the run up to our last SB, if the KC defender stays onside and we lose.

You can even pinpoint the SB loses on critical plays that if it had gone our way we in. The helmet catch. Welker drop.

Ravens players constantly choke in critical plays were our players made them for the most part. Is Brady a better QB if Adam misses those FGs? He's still the same QB but his teammates made those plays where in Lamar's case, his teammates choked in those moments.

 

[Thelonious]

the Jets would probably give them 6 first round picks.

They probably would, and just might! They have an awful lot of picks to waste. He might be the perfect QB to sustain the Jets' long tradition of flashy futility.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Exactly, kickers are paid damn good money and part of their responsibility and the special teams coach is to monitor the wind not as your getting ready to kick but through out the game, I do cut the kicker some slack though since he was a rookie, I’m guessing he hasn’t experienced wind like that before.

Per Loop, he "mishit" the ball (made contact a little too low on his foot).

 

[Le Numéro Douze]

Look at all the SB runs we had and you can pinpoint plays that could have gone either way and the outcome would have been different. We weren't blowing teams out like the Cowboys.

The first 3 SBs could have been different had Adam kicked FGs wide right.
Malcolm intercepts at the goal line.
Flowers sacks Ryan to force them out of FG range (there are tons of plays in this game where if it weren't made we lose)
On the run up to our last SB, if the KC defender stays onside and we lose.

You can even pinpoint the SB loses on critical plays that if it had gone our way we in. The helmet catch. Welker drop.

Ravens players constantly choke in critical plays were our players made them for the most part. Is Brady a better QB if Adam misses those FGs? He's still the same QB but his teammates made those plays where in Lamar's case, his teammates choked in those moments.

You realize we could easily point out plays that did not go our way that would have resulted in 2 or 3 more SBs as well? These things tend to even out.

 

[Ring 6]

Look at all the SB runs we had and you can pinpoint plays that could have gone either way and the outcome would have been different. We weren't blowing teams out like the Cowboys.

The first 3 SBs could have been different had Adam kicked FGs wide right.
Malcolm intercepts at the goal line.
Flowers sacks Ryan to force them out of FG range (there are tons of plays in this game where if it weren't made we lose)
On the run up to our last SB, if the KC defender stays onside and we lose.

You can even pinpoint the SB loses on critical plays that if it had gone our way we in. The helmet catch. Welker drop.

Ravens players constantly choke in critical plays were our players made them for the most part. Is Brady a better QB if Adam misses those FGs? He's still the same QB but his teammates made those plays where in Lamar's case, his teammates choked in those moments.

The SBs were close and we lost 3 of them.

Did we choke?

What about the playoff games we lost in other seasons. Were those chokes?

Is Brady a better qb if he won 17 Sbs?

Every team comes up short in one play games.

Lamer has been the difference in a lot of the Ravens playoff failures too.

 

[Family]

Their plan was to alternate backs. Ultimately you are talking about 2 runs the other guy got.

If your argument is when you have the ball with a lead in the 4th quarter you only put your best players on the field, you are right, but it’s not an egregious thing that no one has ever done before.

Yes two runs the other guy got, which is sort of the point. Maybe your best RB would have done better, or maybe you should have stuck with just feeding him the ball.

Being that mechanical that you are still sticking to alternating in the 4th quarter with your season on the line is the mistake.

Why stop alternating for the last series? Because it was an obvious passing situation.

The series before was an obvious Henry situation.

 

[KCSVEN]

I used to think Jackson was overrated. Just not accurate as a thrower overall and that's most important to me for a QB.
However, in 2023 he took a step forward on accuracy from the pocket and continued that into 2024.
I thought he went from over-rated to a true MVP candidate.
Then this year happened. It didn’t look like he was healthy this year at any point after the first game.
I’m not sure what else accounts for his reverting to pre-2023 Jackson.

I think his MVP worthy seasons are behind him because he will have to run half as much as he has normally run. That said I think he could be a really good quarterback going forward with the right coach and system. Assuming he's not already breaking down physically.

A running QB is a great asset, but a QB needs to be a great passer from the pocket first. Running QB's wear down. Same way RB's wear down.
Exactly why Drake Maye was a perfect profile as a prospect. He CAN run but he will also kill you throwing the ball, so he doesn't have to run.

 

[XLIX]

I think Lamar and the coach clashed and ownership sided with Lamar.

He may find, however, the grass is not necessarily always greener.