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NFL News [Speculation on TV] McDaniels to Cardinals?

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I can't imagine Josh is going to uproot his family again to take a job with a team with no QB.

They are interviewing a number of candidates

Along with Robert Saleh, the Cardinals are reportedly currently targeting four others:
  • Denver Broncos DC Vance Joseph
  • Seattle Seahawks OC Kliny Kubiak
  • Miami Dolphins DC Anthony Weaver
  • New England Patriots tight ends coach and passing game coordinator Thomas Brown
Kubiak is the only viable candidate in that group
 
Yeah, he'd be psychotic to want to get into bed with the Bidwells, perhaps one of the worst ownership groups in North American sports. Plus a disgruntled Kyler...MAYBE...or maybe Mac Jones or something, along with the other teams in the division? Failure written all over it.

In any event, Josh doesn't want to come to Phoenix anyway. It's hot, there's scorpions and rattlesnakes and drifters and javelinas, the pizza is mediocre, the drivers are a bit nuts and the schools are...a choice.
 
I highly, highly doubt McDaniels have those assurances and also that Vrabel would have the audacity to ask for them. Limiting career growth opportunists runs 100% counter to Vrabel’s attitude about wanting the best for his players and coaches. If McDaniels ever does want to be a head coach again, there’s some history that will make it tough to where he can’t pass up opportunities if there’s one he wants. He’s not guaranteed unlimited chances

That's good, you can highly doubt it all you want, I believe MacDaniels really wanted the job and Vrabel wanted some assurances that it wouldn't be one and done.

My bad, I thought you " highly doubted it, " but you actually " highly highly doubted it," so you must be right.
 
That's good, you can highly doubt it all you want, I believe MacDaniels really wanted the job and Vrabel wanted some assurances that it wouldn't be one and done.

My bad, I thought you " highly doubted it, " but you actually " highly highly doubted it," so you must be right.
After l'affaire Caserio, the NFL declared that even putting such assurances into a contract is now unenforceable.

Vrabel understands that Maye is the cornerstone of this franchise, which means that his choice of OC was the single most important decision he made last year.
 
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Would be wild if McD left such a great situation with a generational QB for the Cards sitch. Dont see it.
 
Door 1: Go down as the GOAT OC

Door 2: Fail as a HC for 3rd time

Why would you choose door 2?
For more generational wealth or personal legacy motivations.

Otherwise, I agree with you.

He could take a rich HC job now and take a serious risk of being unemployed in a year or two.... or he could basically co-manage the patriots with Vrabel for 20+years.
 
After l'affaire Caserio, the NFL declared that even putting such assurances into a contract is now unenforceable.

I never said they put it in writing, I believe it was part of the discussion. I don't think Vrabel wanted to change offenses on Maye only to have to do it again in a year. There aren't many OC's that run the Erhardt Perkins offense, so finding a replacement would be difficult.

Bottom line for me is that Vrabel hired MacDaniels believing he would stick around, and while not ruling out ever taking a head coaching job MacDaniels basically said the other day that he wasn't going anywhere while his kids were still in school, and his youngest is around 12.
 
Patriots would probably match whatever another team offers him. Losing McDaniels is not good for the development of a 23 year old QB. No matter how good he looks right now.
 
I think Arizona would have to offer a boatload of cash for this to even be a consideration. JMD is still being paid like a HC (10m minus what the Pats are paying him) by the Raiders for this year and for two more years after - 2026 and 2027
 
I don't think you remember that someone posted a rumour and their source went by the name of grilled cheese. this was last year.
But that wasn’t the source that I was referring to.
 
That's good, you can highly doubt it all you want, I believe MacDaniels really wanted the job and Vrabel wanted some assurances that it wouldn't be one and done.

My bad, I thought you " highly doubted it, " but you actually " highly highly doubted it," so you must be right.
I’m not understanding how Vrabel was on a position to put restrictions on hiring the best guy for the job since we were replacing the worse OC ever.
Do you think Vrabel had a ton of other options.
This just isn’t how the real world works. Being concerned that an OC may have upward mobility doesn’t result it saying promise indentured servitude or F off.
You don’t tell someone you aren’t going to hire them because you are worried they will be too good, so therefore you have to promise you won’t leave if you do such a great job you get HC offers.
Teams that think like that if any ever did would have a stable of terrible coaches.
 
I never said they put it in writing, I believe it was part of the discussion. I don't think Vrabel wanted to change offenses on Maye only to have to do it again in a year. There aren't many OC's that run the Erhardt Perkins offense, so finding a replacement would be difficult.

I didn't say you did. I'm just pointing out that it's completely unenforceable, but such a commitment was nevertheless almost certainly critical in Vrabel's view.
 
Josh McDaniels will be a OC for life: his HC stint with the Raiders was embarrassing.
 
For more generational wealth or personal legacy motivations.

Otherwise, I agree with you.

He could take a rich HC job now and take a serious risk of being unemployed in a year or two.... or he could basically co-manage the patriots with Vrabel for 20+years.
He is already getting paid a Head Coach salary. By the Raiders. His incremental gain from becoming HC elsewhere now would be minimal to non-existent.
Patriots would probably match whatever another team offers him. Losing McDaniels is not good for the development of a 23 year old QB. No matter how good he looks right now.
It’s unlikely that the salary offer from another team be attractive to him at all, because he is already being paid for his Head Coach contract with the Raiders.

Unless his new salary exceeds his Raiders salary he would actually lose money from the cancellation of his Raiders contract.

 
Yeah, he'd be psychotic to want to get into bed with the Bidwells, perhaps one of the worst ownership groups in North American sports. Plus a disgruntled Kyler...MAYBE...or maybe Mac Jones or something, along with the other teams in the division? Failure written all over it.

In any event, Josh doesn't want to come to Phoenix anyway. It's hot, there's scorpions and rattlesnakes and drifters and javelinas, the pizza is mediocre, the drivers are a bit nuts and the schools are...a choice.
I hate scorpions. Good job its to cold for them in the UK.
 
I’m not understanding how Vrabel was on a position to put restrictions on hiring the best guy for the job since we were replacing the worse OC ever.
Do you think Vrabel had a ton of other options.
This just isn’t how the real world works. Being concerned that an OC may have upward mobility doesn’t result it saying promise indentured servitude or F off.
You don’t tell someone you aren’t going to hire them because you are worried they will be too good, so therefore you have to promise you won’t leave if you do such a great job you get HC offers.
Teams that think like that if any ever did would have a stable of terrible coaches.
Have you ever hired anyone for an executive level job? Have you ever been interviewed for a C-level job? I was successful at both of those, so I know how that part of the real world works.

It is more nuanced and subtle than that.

Part of the interview process is getting to know the candidates’ motivations, their priorities, what makes them tick. You find out what they’re looking for, what they want, their working style and how they’re going to fit in. Very importantly, you want to know what’s going to make them happy and what is going to make them feel successful and give them job satisfaction.

There are two reasons someone leaves their job: unhappiness with it, and attractiveness of a new offer. There will always be both factors involved. If you do a good job of selection by making sure there’s a good fit and a good job of managing and rewarding them so they’re happy working for you there’s much less chance they’ll find something else more attractive. We know from the Raiders continued payout that financial rewards are not a significant short term factor.

If I were in Vrabel’s shoes interviewing Josh one part of the interview would be particularly intense, or possibly a bit brutal. That would be exploring what happened with Indianapolis. I’d certainly want to know what factors would make you renege on accepting a job offer, because I don’t want to have that happen to me. That conversation is going to tell me a lot about your values and what’s important to you, and those are going to be some of the same factors that will determine if you are happy and stay or leave a job once you have it.

Note that none of those are placing any restrictions on mobility. They don’t need to written into the contract. They’re part of getting to know the candidates and evaluating that their values are aligned with the organizational culture you’re trying to build. The point is to make a good selection, so you don’t have to handcuff them with contractual restrictions on their career growth.

OTOH the candidates know the dance too, and they can sit there and tell you what they know you want to hear while being ready to pivot in an instant as Josh did with Indianapolis. But they also know the importance of loyalty, and Josh knows that not only is Indianapolis a blot in his copybook, he has two strikes on him from failed HC gigs in the past. He’d be rolling the dice big time to take the gamble of leaving his premier Patriots gig for another crack at HC in the NFL. If he didn’t succeed at his next try in that role he’s pretty much put himself into career hell. I think he’s too smart to fall into that trap now, even if he still has any appetite for the HC role. Maybe in a few years, if he has any such inclination, but not until the Raider money dries up.
 
Sounds like fodder for sportstalk radio...
With that being said if it did what would be the logic of leaving a franchise where you excel and are respected to go to an organization. where you are destined to fail, again???
 
I didn't say you did. I'm just pointing out that it's completely unenforceable, but such a commitment was nevertheless almost certainly critical in Vrabel's view.

I obviously agree. I don't think Vrabel would have brought him in without a commitment.
 
Devin McCourty is speculating Josh McDaniels and Monti Ossenfort already have a deal in place.

God I hope this is not true.
Death sentence.

Kyler Murray is terrible.
 
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