MVP thread

[DoubleDeluxe]

The 49ers schedule was no harder than the patriots. At the beginning of the season SF had the easiest and NE second easiest.

This is true, but like all the things it's dynamic and has changed pretty significantly.
You can only play who you play, but SF has played a much tougher schedule.

 

[PatriotSpy]

I would love for Drake to win it but I think it will go to Stafford as sort of a career achievement award. I think the voters will likely lean toward the veteran.

I’m tired of hearing about career achievement when it comes to Stafford. He was never a top 5 guy in his prime. It was Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Ben. He’s a stat padder. Good career but not good enough to wear he’s owed something like an MVP award.

 

[203Pat]

I’m tired of hearing about career achievement when it comes to Stafford. He was never a top 5 guy in his prime. It was Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Ben. He’s a stat padder. Good career but not good enough to wear he’s owed something like an MVP award.

I agree but I still think the voters will defer to him.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I’m tired of hearing about career achievement when it comes to Stafford. He was never a top 5 guy in his prime. It was Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Ben. He’s a stat padder. Good career but not good enough to wear he’s owed something like an MVP award.

While I agree the MVP should be about THE CURRENT YEAR, not lifetime achievements, Stafford is a lot better than you're giving him credit for.
He has 10 seasons with over 4000 yards, a lot of those with a disfunctional Lions team
He's a super winner
He's been very good for a long time
He's in a great situation with the Rams, but that was not the case for 12 season with Det.
I understand we are all pulling for Maye, and Stafford's career achievements and his age shouldn't play a factor, but he's been a great player and tough SOB for a long time.
You could easily make an argument for both based in this year.

 

[TheRainMaker]

There will be something seriously wrong with the NFL is Stafford wins the MVP. Stafford and Maye against common opponents:

Stafford: 2-2
Maye 4-0.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

There will be something seriously wrong with the NFL is Stafford wins the MVP. Stafford and Maye against common opponents:

Stafford: 2-2
Maye 4-0.

You can slice and dice a lot of different stats.
Maye has played the 32 strength of schedule, Stafford the 6th.
There are arguments to be made for both, and objectively either winning it would not be some grand travesty.

 

[PatriotSpy]

While I agree the MVP should be about THE CURRENT YEAR, not lifetime achievements, Stafford is a lot better than you're giving him credit for.
He has 10 seasons with over 4000 yards, a lot of those with a disfunctional Lions team
He's a super winner
He's been very good for a long time
He's in a great situation with the Rams, but that was not the case for 12 season with Det.
I understand we are all pulling for Maye, and Stafford's career achievements and his age shouldn't play a factor, but he's been a great player and tough SOB for a long time.
You could easily make an argument for both based in this year.

Idk he came into the league at the right time and played in a pass happy era with Calvin Johnson as his WR. Obtained a lot of stats during garbage time. Obviously a talented guy who was a 1st overall pick but I think we use the term great a little to loosely these days.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Idk he came into the league at the right time and played in a pass happy era with Calvin Johnson as his WR. Obtained a lot of stats during garbage time. Obviously a talented guy who was a 1st overall pick but I think we use the term great a little to loosely these days.

Do you think he's going to the HOF?
He most certainly is.
If you are in condsideration for, or in the HOF, you were a great player.

 

[PatriotSpy]

Do you think he's going to the HOF?
He most certainly is.
If you are in condsideration for, or in the HOF, you were a great player.

He’ll be in the hall like eli and probably Rivers but like Eli and Rivers, I don’t think he’s a great quarterback. Very good? Yes. Great? No.

 

[Ring 6]

While I agree the MVP should be about THE CURRENT YEAR, not lifetime achievements, Stafford is a lot better than you're giving him credit for.
He has 10 seasons with over 4000 yards, a lot of those with a disfunctional Lions team
He's a super winner
He's been very good for a long time
He's in a great situation with the Rams, but that was not the case for 12 season with Det.
I understand we are all pulling for Maye, and Stafford's career achievements and his age shouldn't play a factor, but he's been a great player and tough SOB for a long time.
You could easily make an argument for both based in this year.

I know a lot of people put value on individual stats, but I’ve never felt stats that don’t result in winning aren’t very meaningful.
There are many reasons I feel that way.
The purpose of playing the game is to win.
If your play doesn’t result in a win, pumping it up by saying stays were good doesn’t change that in my book.
Stats are not created equally. Especially for QBs.
Putting your team in a hole and then throwing for a bunch of yards to come back and fall short is not a positive thing to me.
Playing in tight meaningful games makes stat building harder but your value is much greater.
Almost every great winning QB in NFL history started with a team that stunk. So the supporting cast or team was dysfunctional doesn’t make much of an argument for me. Brady, Montana, elway, Bradshaw, among others started in teams that were near worst in the league and THEIR PRESENCE was the impetus for the turnaround.

Stafford got a bit of redemption winning a SB in LA but aside from that one year his career playoff record is 1-5.

 

[Ring 6]

He’ll be in the hall like eli and probably Rivers but like Eli and Rivers, I don’t think he’s a great quarterback. Very good? Yes. Great? No.

Eli wasn’t even very good. He was average at best.

 

[Ring 6]

You can slice and dice a lot of different stats.
Maye has played the 32 strength of schedule, Stafford the 6th.
There are arguments to be made for both, and objectively either winning it would not be some grand travesty.

Maye is also 13-3 compared to Stafford being 11-5 which kind of negated the strength of schedule argument.

If I go 17-0 vs the worst schedule and you go 7-11 vs the hardest, who really was better (to extend the point to the extreme)

 

[PatriotSpy]

Eli wasn’t even very good. He was average at best.

No argument here. Hall of Fame should be for the best of the best. The generational elite. Eli, Rivers and Stafford imo do not fit that bill.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I know a lot of people put value on individual stats, but I’ve never felt stats that don’t result in winning aren’t very meaningful.
There are many reasons I feel that way.
The purpose of playing the game is to win.
If your play doesn’t result in a win, pumping it up by saying stays were good doesn’t change that in my book.
Stats are not created equally. Especially for QBs.
Putting your team in a hole and then throwing for a bunch of yards to come back and fall short is not a positive thing to me.
Playing in tight meaningful games makes stat building harder but your value is much greater.
Almost every great winning QB in NFL history started with a team that stunk. So the supporting cast or team was dysfunctional doesn’t make much of an argument for me. Brady, Montana, elway, Bradshaw, among others started in teams that were near worst in the league and THEIR PRESENCE was the impetus for the turnaround.

Stafford got a bit of redemption winning a SB in LA but aside from that one year his career playoff record is 1-5.

The MVP has always been about individual stats, along with a winning team.
I posted early (in this thread I think), that the MVP has always come form the #1 or 2 two seed, so Pats record will certainly come into play.
Strength of Schedule will too.

 

[Ring 6]

The MVP has always been about individual stats, along with a winning team.
I posted early (in this thread I think), that the MVP has always come form the #1 or 2 two seed, so Pats record will certainly come into play.
Strength of Schedule will too.

I have never heard strength of schedule as a consideration for MVP. Are you aware of any instances where it affected who won?

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

He’ll be in the hall like eli and probably Rivers but like Eli and Rivers, I don’t think he’s a great quarterback. Very good? Yes. Great? No.

He's way better than those 2.
Eli had 2 SB runs, outside of that he was a very average QB.
I have always been firmly in the camp that Eli should not be in the HOF.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I have never heard strength of schedule as a consideration for MVP. Are you aware of any instances where it affected who won?

I'm watching McAffee right now.
They had two guys on who have MVP votes and strength of schedule was talked about.
Orlovskly was harping in SOS and he has an MVP vote, he certainly seemed to indicate he was voting for Stafford and SOS was a big reason why.

 

[PatriotSpy]

He's way better than those 2.
Eli had 2 SB runs, outside of that he was a very average QB.
I have always been firmly in the camp that Eli should not be in the HOF.

And that’s fine but imo he’s still outside the circle of elite within his era of quarterbacks.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm watching McAffee right now.
They had two guys on who have MVP votes and strength of schedule was talked about.
Orlovskly was harping in SOS and he has an MVP vote, he certainly seemed to indicate he was voting for Stafford and SOS was a big reason why.

But I’m saying it’s never been a consideration before that I am aware if. They are adding it to the conversation for the first time. Probably to create controversy and get listeners because that’s what these idiots do.

How in the world did Dan Orlovsky (lol my phone autocorrect that to Dan irrelevant) get an MVP vote.

 

[PatriotSpy]

I'm watching McAffee right now.
They had two guys on who have MVP votes and strength of schedule was talked about.
Orlovskly was harping in SOS and he has an MVP vote, he certainly seemed to indicate he was voting for Stafford and SOS was a big reason why.

He’s also buddies with Stafford going back to their Lions days. So there’s a tint of bias to his vote but whatever.