Patriots Injury News The Patriots placed WR Mack Hollins on IR

[jdlboot14]

Chism is not Diggs, but he seems to have the makeup to develop into an Edelman type. The 2 he caught were in traffic, tight coverage, and the big difference between him and most rookie WR's - he CAUGHT them both! And the TD was not an easy one. Even KW dropped a wide open gift on the sideline.
I'm not thinking about Chism being our WR1, but could he be a part of the puzzle next year as a WR5.
I think Pop will be gone, but Diggs & Boutte & KW will be locks next year. Then, whether Hollins sticks, and/or we bring in a WR1a/b, there could be room for Chism. He has a chance to prove it when he'll likely be playing in the playoffs in 2 weeks.

 

[Ring 6]

Yup, we will have to adjust, something stats can't show.
Ring thinks a "better" WR will come in and we won't miss a beat, that's pretty ridiculous.
Each WR has a role, and Mack fills his role exceptionally well, but no other WR on our roster is coming in and filling that same role, a role that is integral to the offense.
Again, you can't measure that by stats.

Looks like what you think I think was right.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Looks like what you think I think was right.

Sorry dude, use proper English.
I don't even know what your post is supposed to mean.

 

[PatsFan2]

Chism is not Diggs, but he seems to have the makeup to develop into an Edelman type. The 2 he caught were in traffic, tight coverage, and the big difference between him and most rookie WR's - he CAUGHT them both! And the TD was not an easy one. Even KW dropped a wide open gift on the sideline.
I'm not thinking about Chism being our WR1, but could he be a part of the puzzle next year as a WR5.
I think Pop will be gone, but Diggs & Boutte & KW will be locks next year. Then, whether Hollins sticks, and/or we bring in a WR1a/b, there could be room for Chism. He has a chance to prove it when he'll likely be playing in the playoffs in 2 weeks.

Trip turf monster Douglas is still under a cheap Rookie contract: and he could be even better in McDaniels Offense next year. We are playing with House money here.

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[RobertWeathers]

My numbers ARE based upon routes run, not snaps.

In prior posts you said snaps - not routes. The math is 1.68 and so? There is a reason Hollins leads all WRs in running plays and catches per route run in right there with Hunter Henry.

I understand they like Hollins. I understand he has qualities. But he is no better than a JAG as a receiver. Drake Maye has elevated his career production per route about 50% and it’s still below the rest of the team.

Show this because it's not accurate. See Hunter Henry. Is this the N'Keal Harry logic you used in pre-season?

Fact is when he is on the forks we do worse than when he is not.
Fact is we have other better receivers to take those snaps.
Today Diggs got more PT and had 6/101 in a half. Williams looked good catching 3 passes (Hollins average) in a game we pretty much stopped passing at half.
That’s without Boutte and also with Douglas held back.

Williams is not a better receiver than Hollins. More explosive, sure. Hollins has only one drop. Douglas and Williams have more and a lower catch %. If Douglas was better he/d have more targets and catches.

Are you saying the coaching staff can’t be wrong?
And perhaps ultimately they weren’t because
1) Diggs was being limited snaps due to the ACL recovery
2) Williams has been working his way into the offense
3) Douglass got himself benched with his early play
4) Chism wasn’t ready and who knew what we would get when we needed him

For all those reasons a JAG who is reliable can carve out a role.
But with those reasons being abated, we are better with the others taking his snaps.

The coaching staff and Maye have more confidence in Hollins on the field in run/pass situations than Williams, EC3 and Douglas. Hollins is #3 for WRs in catch % and 1st down % per catch. To say he is behind Williams, Douglas, and EC3 is not accurate.

I'm fine with you calling him a JAG as he is a WR3/4/5 and replaceable but you are trivializing his production as easily replaceable today and the numbers show from Williams and Douglas they aren't.

 

[Ring 6]

In prior posts you said snaps - not routes. The math is 1.68 and so? There is a reason Hollins leads all WRs in running plays and catches per route run in right there with Hunter Henry.

Show this because it's not accurate. See Hunter Henry. Is this the N'Keal Harry logic you used in pre-season?


Williams is not a better receiver than Hollins. More explosive, sure. Hollins has only one drop. Douglas and Williams have more and a lower catch %. If Douglas was better he/d have more targets and catches.


The coaching staff and Maye have more confidence in Hollins on the field in run/pass situations than Williams, EC3 and Douglas. Hollins is #3 for WRs in catch % and 1st down % per catch. To say he is behind Williams, Douglas, and EC3 is not accurate.

I'm fine with you calling him a JAG as he is a WR3/4/5 and replaceable but you are trivializing his production as easily replaceable today and the numbers show from Williams and Douglas they aren't.

I have always said per route run. He is not close to most per route run.

It is completely accurate. If you don’t understand per route run, then ask. But saying it’s not accurate is a lie.
Hollins career yards per route run was 1.07 which is dreadful, and yes comparable to NKeal Harry.
This year he is 1.6. 1.6-1.07=0.53/1.07=0.495
48.5% improvement because if Maye. That’s as close as it gets to “about 50”.
Diggs yprr this year is 2.42
Henry a tight end is 1.61
Douglass is 1.99
Williams who has spend most of the year as a decoy is 1.24 and increasing.


I’m sorry but Williams and Douglas are better receivers. Your argument is the coaches are always right and mine is they are wrong here and the date supports it. I’m further you are arguing that because he plays more he has more catches, and I am saying if you replace him the offense has better receivers running routes and will be more effective.

Williams partially replaced him yesterday and caught the same number of passes Hollins averages. Again we are talking about 3 catches for 37 yards per game, while running 23 routes. You really don’t think having Diggs, Boutte, Williams and Douglas share those snaps replaced 37 yards?
Yesterday it more than did that in a half.

Hollins is a JAG. He can run a route and have Maye throw him a catchable ball 3 times game. Diggs, williams, Douglas, Boutte are dynamic receivers who can get open in addition to executing the play called for them.

It’s fine if you want to think Hollins is irreplaceable and dynamic you will just never be able to back that up with facts. This is his 5th team in 5 years, I don’t think the other 4 agreed with you.

 

[Ring 6]

Sorry dude, use proper English.
I don't even know what your post is supposed to mean.

Sorry dude learn to read.

You told me what you think I think. And it appears it was right.

 

[Ring 6]

In prior posts you said snaps - not routes. The math is 1.68 and so? There is a reason Hollins leads all WRs in running plays and catches per route run in right there with Hunter Henry.

Show this because it's not accurate. See Hunter Henry. Is this the N'Keal Harry logic you used in pre-season?


Williams is not a better receiver than Hollins. More explosive, sure. Hollins has only one drop. Douglas and Williams have more and a lower catch %. If Douglas was better he/d have more targets and catches.


The coaching staff and Maye have more confidence in Hollins on the field in run/pass situations than Williams, EC3 and Douglas. Hollins is #3 for WRs in catch % and 1st down % per catch. To say he is behind Williams, Douglas, and EC3 is not accurate.

I'm fine with you calling him a JAG as he is a WR3/4/5 and replaceable but you are trivializing his production as easily replaceable today and the numbers show from Williams and Douglas they aren't.

There is also this which newsmen mire pronounced yesterday as Maye had the best day of his career while Hollins didn’t play.
Care to explain how he is irreplaceable when we do better without him on the field?

With Hollins on the field
Maye is 195/279 69.9% 2353 yards 14 TD 5 ints

Hollins NOT on the field
Maye is 126/174 72.4% 1594 yards 12 TD 3int

So that is 72.4% vs 69.9% 9.16 yards per attempt vs 8.43.
6.9 TD % vs 5.0 TD % and 1.7 int vs 1.8. All better with Hollins not on the field.

He also had been sacked 31 times with Hollins on the field and only 15 with him not. Once every 9 passes with Hollins on the field but once every 11.6 with him off the field.

The passer rating works out to 116.4 with Hollins on the bench and 104.7 with him on the field.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Sorry dude learn to read.

You told me what you think I think. And it appears it was right.

Everyone on this forum knows that is your MO.
Tell posters what their post really meant and what they think.
It's a ring specialty.

 

[Ring 6]

Everyone on this forum knows that is your MO.
Tell posters what their post really meant and what they think.
It's a ring specialty.

So are you here to discuss football or to discuss your obsession with me?

For the record, telling someone that if you think that, it also would mean this (I.e. if you think Mack Hollins is a great leader that has incredible impact on culture, you must also think that his last 4 teams don’t value that since he is in his 5th team in 5 years) is not telling people what they think, it’s describing the flaw in their logic.

In this case you said you think I think “a better receiver will come in and we won’t miss a beat”. You misunderstood the first part, because no one had to come in, we get better by giving more reps to the guys we have who have been losing them to Hollins. But you were right we didn’t miss a beat and actually had the best game of Mayes career.

Riddle me this: if while Hollins was active, we did better when he was off the field than on it, and when he is inactive we have the best game of the season, what are we missing?

 

[RobertWeathers]

There is also this which newsmen mire pronounced yesterday as Maye had the best day of his career while Hollins didn’t play.
Care to explain how he is irreplaceable when we do better without him on the field?

With Hollins on the field
Maye is 195/279 69.9% 2353 yards 14 TD 5 ints

Hollins NOT on the field
Maye is 126/174 72.4% 1594 yards 12 TD 3int

So that is 72.4% vs 69.9% 9.16 yards per attempt vs 8.43.
6.9 TD % vs 5.0 TD % and 1.7 int vs 1.8. All better with Hollins not on the field.

He also had been sacked 31 times with Hollins on the field and only 15 with him not. Once every 9 passes with Hollins on the field but once every 11.6 with him off the field.

The passer rating works out to 116.4 with Hollins on the bench and 104.7 with him on the field.

Are you saying Maye's Qb rating would be 117 if Hollins never played for the team? Would they be 16-0? Would the running game be better or worse? An outcome does not mean there is a root cause. You know better.

I have always said per route run. He is not close to most per route run.

It is completely accurate. If you don’t understand per route run, then ask. But saying it’s not accurate is a lie.

Your math is wrong. 326 routes run and 550 receiving yards = 1.69. No need to get condescending with me when your math sucks.

Hollins career yards per route run was 1.07 which is dreadful, and yes comparable to NKeal Harry.
This year he is 1.6. 1.6-1.07=0.53/1.07=0.495
48.5% improvement because if Maye. That’s as close as it gets to “about 50”.
Diggs yprr this year is 2.42
Henry a tight end is 1.61
Douglass is 1.99
Williams who has spend most of the year as a decoy is 1.24 and increasing.

You lose credibility by even comparing Hollins to Harry.

A ball catcher is a ball catcher.

Williams had a ****ty drop yesterday and catches less than 50% of his targets and his routes aren't consistent. To say he is better than Hollins is delusional. Just like your Harry take.

I’m sorry but Williams and Douglas are better receivers. Your argument is the coaches are always right and mine is they are wrong here and the date supports it. I’m further you are arguing that because he plays more he has more catches, and I am saying if you replace him the offense has better receivers running routes and will be more effective.

Better players play more. Do you not agree? Football is a meritocracy. That is why Hollins plays more than Williams and Douglas. I know you believe that but now you don't.

Williams partially replaced him yesterday and caught the same number of passes Hollins averages. Again we are talking about 3 catches for 37 yards per game, while running 23 routes. You really don’t think having Diggs, Boutte, Williams and Douglas share those snaps replaced 37 yards?
Yesterday it more than did that in a half.

Hollins is a JAG. He can run a route and have Maye throw him a catchable ball 3 times game. Diggs, williams, Douglas, Boutte are dynamic receivers who can get open in addition to executing the play called for them.

Are you seriously using one game to state there is a trend?

It’s fine if you want to think Hollins is irreplaceable and dynamic you will just never be able to back that up with facts. This is his 5th team in 5 years, I don’t think the other 4 agreed with you.

Well, you can't backup Douglas and Williams as replacements for Hollins because the facts don't support it as they are not as productive.

You keep bringing up how many teams Hollins played for. That is not relevant to 2025.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

So are you here to discuss football or to discuss your obsession with me?

For the record, telling someone that if you think that, it also would mean this (I.e. if you think Mack Hollins is a great leader that has incredible impact on culture, you must also think that his last 4 teams don’t value that since he is in his 5th team in 5 years) is not telling people what they think, it’s describing the flaw in their logic.

In this case you said you think I think “a better receiver will come in and we won’t miss a beat”. You misunderstood the first part, because no one had to come in, we get better by giving more reps to the guys we have who have been losing them to Hollins. But you were right we didn’t miss a beat and actually had the best game of Mayes career.

Riddle me this: if while Hollins was active, we did better when he was off the field than on it, and when he is inactive we have the best game of the season, what are we missing?

My obsession with you?
You should be glad someone will actually engage with you for more than 2 posts.
Do you ever wonder why that is?
Is it because you're smarter than eveyrone else, or far more likely, because talking with you is a pointless waste of time?
It's really odd how you try and make things personal. Like every time someone talks objectively about the weaknesses on our team, your standard retort is "you're scared of being great, your life must be a failure".
You're an odd duck.
Have a wonderful day.

 

[maust]

@DoubleDeluxe and @RobertWeathers

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

@DoubleDeluxe and @RobertWeathers

I'm too far gone now, can't...get...out!

 

[jdlboot14]

Hollins - I think a lot of guys could play his role. He's been good this year, but Meyers could have done more with his snaps, just as an equivalent. I bet Hollins stays on his contract - cheap and worthwhile.
Pop - has underperformed. just plain simple. He has been given a lot of kudos because he was the highest producing WR last year with a terrible team and a non-NFL caliber offense under AVP. He's not a good route runner, and has frequent mental mistakes. I think it's 50/50 he's replaced next year.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Hollins - I think a lot of guys could play his role. He's been good this year, but Meyers could have done more with his snaps, just as an equivalent. I bet Hollins stays on his contract - cheap and worthwhile.
Pop - has underperformed. just plain simple. He has been given a lot of kudos because he was the highest producing WR last year with a terrible team and a non-NFL caliber offense under AVP. He's not a good route runner, and has frequent mental mistakes. I think it's 50/50 he's replaced next year.

Pop is making 1.2M next year, I don't see any reason to replace him. Maybe he slips to the very bottom of the depth chart, but it wouldn't be wise to get rid of a player who can contribute at such a ridiculously low salary.

 

[Ring 6]

My obsession with you?
You should be glad someone will actually engage with you for more than 2 posts.
Do you ever wonder why that is?
Is it because you're smarter than eveyrone else, or far more likely, because talking with you is a pointless waste of time?
It's really odd how you try and make things personal. Like every time someone talks objectively about the weaknesses on our team, your standard retort is "you're scared of being great, your life must be a failure".
You're an odd duck.
Have a wonderful day.

You don’t “engage” you whine about me, and bring up comments I made months ago that apparently you clung to. It’s not healthy.

See there you go again. You pick out a comment, out of context, probably paraphrasing that I made months ago to God knows who that was being negative about a team that is now 13-3 and think you got one.

Your posts are not about football they are about me. I am not he one who makes it personal. I am talking about football, and you are talking about me.

Do you not see how bizarre that is.

Dude, honestly I don’t keep track of things you say, or opinions you have had in the past or create a persona of you in my mind. I could not care less what you thought if something 3,6,9 months ago much less gave it committed to memory and be able to place it in quote marks.
It’s kind of creepy that you remember things I’ve poster better than I do.

 

[TommyD4207]

You don’t “engage” you whine about me, and bring up comments I made months ago that apparently you clung to. It’s not healthy.

See there you go again. You pick out a comment, out of context, probably paraphrasing that I made months ago to God knows who that was being negative about a team that is now 13-3 and think you got one.

Your posts are not about football they are about me. I am not he one who makes it personal. I am talking about football, and you are talking about me.

Do you not see how bizarre that is.

Dude, honestly I don’t keep track of things you say, or opinions you have had in the past or create a persona of you in my mind. I could not care less what you thought if something 3,6,9 months ago much less gave it committed to memory and be able to place it in quote marks.
It’s kind of creepy that you remember things I’ve poster better than I do.

 

[jdlboot14]

Pop is making 1.2M next year, I don't see any reason to replace him. Maybe he slips to the very bottom of the depth chart, but it wouldn't be wise to get rid of a player who can contribute at such a ridiculously low salary.

Sure, I don't think they'll cut him prior to wk 1 - but depending on who we bring in at WR (and there will be a legit FA) - and if they like the mix of Diggs, Boutte, KW, Hollins, Chism + WR1 - Pop could be the odd man out, or go on IR.
Cause there's very little dead cap by waiving him too.