NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION Week 16: Rams-Sea, Chi-GB, Buf-Cle, Jax-Den, Pitt-Det, 49ers-Colts

[Real fan 02]

Pack don't have killer instincts.

Love seems like he's hurt all the time..

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Caleb was very very clutch down the stretch. Making big play after big play when his team needed it the most in the 4th quarter and overtime. That is what elite qb's do.
Drake has not shown that he can do that, yet.

Knew where this was going 4 words into the post

 

[Real fan 02]

Caleb was very very clutch down the stretch. Making big play after big play when his team needed it the most in the 4th quarter and overtime. That is what elite qb's do.
Drake has not shown that he can do that, yet.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I know you don’t want to hear it but he is kinda right.

Caleb is usually sh*t most of the game but when the game is on the line he makes the play he needs to make.

Drake Maye is lights out most of the game but when the game is on the line he tends to not play his best. We have the best offense in football by advanced metric in the 1st half but we have a bottom 3rd offense in the second half. It seems that we also can’t win a game when we are trailing heading into the 4th quarter.

Does that mean that Drake Maye stinks? No but it’s a little c concern. Drake Maye has yet to prove he can win a game we have no business winning.

I disagree. I simply don't think he's had enough opportunities to prove it one way or another. Last week was probably his first real opportunity and failure. Brady has failed many times before too, but he played 36 seasons and we remember the good times more than the bad. He will get more opportunities and he'll convert.

 

[Lambeau12]

This loss hurts

 

[Real fan 02]

I know you don’t want to hear it but he is kinda right.

Caleb is usually sh*t most of the game but when the game is on the line he makes the play he needs to make.

Drake Maye is lights out most of the game but when the game is on the line he tends to not play his best. We have the best offense in football by advanced metric in the 1st half but we have a bottom 3rd offense in the second half. It seems that we also can’t win a game when we are trailing heading into the 4th quarter.

Does that mean that Drake Maye stinks? No but it’s a little c concern. Drake Maye has yet to prove he can win a game we have no business winning.

With Rome Odunze, DJ Reed, Cole kamet, DeAndre swift.. Williams should be leading the leading in all offensive categories.

Bears are often behind in games and have to mount comebacks. It's props to Vrabel and Josh to coaching soundly enough during games where Drake isn't often in those positions where he has to make 4th Quarter come backs.. if he was in those situations all the time I'd be concerned.

However time will come meanwhile I'll take the Quarterback who's teams usually ahead and in positions to win over having to always climb back into games in the fourth.

 

[Lambeau12]

With Rome Odunze, DJ Reed, Cole kamet, DeAndre swift.. Williams should be leading the leading in all offensive categories.

Bears are often behind in games and have to mount comebacks. It's props to Vrabel and Josh to coaching soundly enough during games where Drake isn't often in those positions where he has to make 4th Quarter come backs.. if he was in those situations all the time I'd be concerned.

However time will come meanwhile I'll take the Quarterback who's teams usually ahead and in positions to win over having to always climb back into games in the fourth.

I think we’re missing the playoffs now

 

[Kargetina]

Caleb was very very clutch down the stretch. Making big play after big play when his team needed it the most in the 4th quarter and overtime. That is what elite qb's do.
Drake has not shown that he can do that, yet.

Caleb was so good, the Bears scored 9 points through 58 minutes of play, they scored one of the three points because a doofus on the Packers did a facemask penalty on 3rd and 20, without which the game would have been over at 16-6. The only reason he had another chance at the ball was because another doofus on the Packers couldn't recover an onside kick.

If only Drake's defense didn't allow 5 straight touchdowns, while the offense scored 31 points, and his special teams didn't gift the other team 50 yard runs, instead of recovering onside kicks, the win streak would be at 11. But yeah, impressive play by Caleb, playing pragmatically for 58 minutes and having the foresight that their special teams would recover an onside kick, so he can finally start playing seriously.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Bears werent the choker for once

 

[Grogan14]

Its not just Caleb, its also Bo Nix who has been very clutch this year.
Its OK to say Drake is not perfect. No 2nd year QB is. He has work to do. No excuses.

In 2025 if the game is on the line with 2 minutes to go, i am taking Nix or Williams
Hopefully that changes next year

 

[ScottishPatriots]

Bears are having one of those seasons like the Chiefs last year where every single break goes their way and they pull every game they have no business winning out of their rear ends.

Regression to the mean will happen next year.

 

[farn]

I get it : winning is everything. It’s the only thing. It’s pro sports, so to hell with anything but winning, building towards winning, learning to win.

That said : it’s a tad funny for everyone to be all up on Chicago when they had scored 6 pts with less than 5min to play, they get a shot because of a fluke, and they beat Malik Willis…. At home.

 

[jdlboot14]

Caleb is hit or miss - that style of play always is. Sure, he has great highlights, but he's also very sporadic and goes through quarters or halfs of wild inefficiency. Same with Nix. So late game heroics is part of the plan.
The big difference with Maye is the JMD pedigree - which as a philosophy of playcalling is not going to plan for 10 straight downfield shots, causing continuous 3rd & 10s, and praying for miracle catches.
Mostly because - the Pats can't ever have a WR1, or a dominate prototype WR to win one on one's in crunch time.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

With Rome Odunze, DJ Reed, Cole kamet, DeAndre swift.. Williams should be leading the leading in all offensive categories.

Bears are often behind in games and have to mount comebacks. It's props to Vrabel and Josh to coaching soundly enough during games where Drake isn't often in those positions where he has to make 4th Quarter come backs.. if he was in those situations all the time I'd be concerned.

However time will come meanwhile I'll take the Quarterback who's teams usually ahead and in positions to win over having to always climb back into games in the fourth.

I agree mostly. I think it’s fair to say that Caleb weapons are much better. I would give it to you that that’s the last unknown. if Drake Maye had better weapons would he have better result coming back in games? Maybe. I’d love to see him with better weapons next year.

Who is the better QB right now ? Drake Maye.
Who do I have the most confidence in with a drive with the game on the line right now? Caleb Williams

 

[reflexblue]

Caleb was very very clutch down the stretch. Making big play after big play when his team needed it the most in the 4th quarter and overtime. That is what elite qb's do.
Drake has not shown that he can do that, yet.

He hasn't shown that he can be clutch because hes almost always been ahead, and unlike williams hasn't had many chances at it. In fact i think last week was the only time he didn't drive down the field in a tight situation and failed.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think we’re missing the playoffs now

Ravens and Vikings to finish the season are both weak teams. If you can't beat them, then playoffs would be tougher.

 

[sb1]

We’re blaming Maye for the defense giving up 5 TD drives?

This has that “47-17 was all Mac Jones‘s fault” energy…

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

If caleb or bo nix were our qb what would our record be? Somewhere around.500 maybe. Keep in mind we have no wins where our team has scored less than 23 pts. we are 1-2 in games where Drake has been MIA for a half (vegas, atl, buffalo) and bo/caleb do this quite often but the defense or run game can bail them out. Caleb had what, 50 yards passing at halftime last night?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

As far as the clutch talk goes, yes Drake hasn’t proven alot in 4th quarter clutch play, he hasn’t been in many of those situations this year. But isn’t he among the best qbs on 3rd and 4th down? That seems like its usually a pretty good precursor to someone becoming a clutch qb. Cant remember for sure but i remember Brady being very good on 3rd down passing before we saw him in the snow bowl and sb36

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree mostly. I think it’s fair to say that Caleb weapons are much better. I would give it to you that that’s the last unknown. if Drake Maye had better weapons would he have better result coming back in games? Maybe. I’d love to see him with better weapons next year.

Who is the better QB right now ? Drake Maye.
Who do I have the most confidence in with a drive with the game on the line right now? Caleb Williams

I still don't believe in Williams.. is he talented? Absolutely as he was the first overall pick. I agree that he does have better overall weapons and with a coach like Ben Johnson he should be alot better. Having to routinely make come backs it's a great trait to have as QB however as the number 1 overall pick it's expected of you.

It seems as if everything has to be perfect around Williams. Drake has shown with the opposite he can run with the best of them.

I truly believe that Drake is the QB that puts his team in position more than Williams does during games and Drake has shown plenty this season of bringing his team from behind.. they have been down in games early and have came back to take the lead that's what you want out your franchise QB. Williams in alot of ways is still underwhelming IMO.