OT: Henry Ruggs redemption?

[ctpatsfan77]

Stallworth: 'Be cognizant of your decisions'

Ravens WR Donte' Stallworth is constantly reminded of the tragic morning that forever changed his life.

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[Pat the Pats Fan]

Future survey answer? HRKAG.?
He should never be allowed to play again as a professional.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Exactly.

It’s not just that. If this guy didn’t play football at Alabama and run a 4.3 he’d be a piece of **** murderer. Why someone would cast aside their moral standards because he can play a sport is beyond me.

 

[Lansdowne]

Don't stallworth committed the same crime and saw redemption..

Not quite the same.

Stallworth had been drinking yes, but he was going 50 mph in a 40 mph zone. Still had the wherewithal to flash his lights and honk his horn and hit the brakes when the man he killed jumped out in front of him on the bus lane trying to catch his bus. Immediately called 911 to get some help for the victim. Messed up, stayed at the scene, fully cooperated with police, took responsibility, did his time.

Ruggs drove 156 mph (that is not a typo… one hundred and fifty six), slammed into a car which burst into flames and burned a woman and her dog to death. Refused sobriety test, took a plea deal, is doing his time.

I believe Ruggs should be allowed a chance to earn an honest living after paying his debt to society, but not the same career that afforded him the Corvette he ruined lives with. I don’t think Stallworth should’ve been allowed either, though I’m less forgiving of DUI’s than others may be. But I at least see Stallworth’s situation as one that could’ve happened to anyone even sober. 156 mph in a city street in excusable for anyone, drunk or not.

 

[Lansdowne]

It’s not just that. If this guy didn’t play football at Alabama and run a 4.3 he’d be a piece of **** murderer. Why someone would cast aside their moral standards because he can play a sport is beyond me.

No NFL team should be so desperate for WR help that they bring in a guy who, by then, will have been away from football for 6 years. Hard pass. And that’s not even counting the fact that I pass on Riggs out of principle for what he did. I don’t get why we’re even talking about him to be honest.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Like Michael Vick, he doesn’t ever deserve a 2nd chance. It’s still a mystery how Ray Lewis played after what he did.

 

[jmt57]

While the result of Ruggs' actions were horrible, I have a much bigger problem with a person doing inexcusbale things while sober.

Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Zac Stacy, Tyreek Hill, Quinshon Judkins, and many others performed despicable acts with a clear mind.
To me there should be more outrage about them than about Ruggs.

 

[Real fan 02]

Not quite the same.

Stallworth had been drinking yes, but he was going 50 mph in a 40 mph zone. Still had the wherewithal to flash his lights and honk his horn and hit the brakes when the man he killed jumped out in front of him on the bus lane trying to catch his bus. Immediately called 911 to get some help for the victim. Messed up, stayed at the scene, fully cooperated with police, took responsibility, did his time.

Ruggs drove 156 mph (that is not a typo… one hundred and fifty six), slammed into a car which burst into flames and burned a woman and her dog to death. Refused sobriety test, took a plea deal, is doing his time.

I believe Ruggs should be allowed a chance to earn an honest living after paying his debt to society, but not the same career that afforded him the Corvette he ruined lives with. I don’t think Stallworth should’ve been allowed either, though I’m less forgiving of DUI’s than others may be. But I at least see Stallworth’s situation as one that could’ve happened to anyone even sober. 156 mph in a city street in excusable for anyone, drunk or not.

I get your overall point and I totally agree not excusing Ruggs at all.. point I'm making is in both cases someone lost thier life. Both men made bad choices to get into a vehicle and of course one resulted from speeding and the other resulted from impairment..

These cases are seeming to happen alot with these NFL players.. younger generation.. I'm 47 and my era was the 90s.. we weren't seeing this happening in that generation at this rate.... players had more common sense and regard for human life seemingly..

In Massachusetts as the laws have changed if you refuse a breathalyzer your license is automatically suspended.. I don't have any beverage outside the comfort of my home myself..

On ruggs yeah.. it's terrible I saw the accident footage on YouTube.. just so sad.. it didn't have to happen..

 

[Real fan 02]

While the result of Ruggs' actions were horrible, I have a much bigger problem with a person doing inexcusbale things while sober.

Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Zac Stacy, Tyreek Hill, Quinshon Judkins, and many others performed despicable acts with a clear mind.
To me there should be more outrage about them than about Ruggs.

Agreed add in Kellen Winslow 2nd, Hernandez, they both committed heinous acts while sober..

 

[Real fan 02]

Like Michael Vick, he doesn’t ever deserve a 2nd chance. It’s still a mystery how Ray Lewis played after what he did.

In the case against vick.. it was others he allowed to take him down.. he allowed Cousins and friends to dog fight on his Virginia property.. ultimately he took the fall.. of course Vick admitted to it being part of his up bringing.. however he still should have cut that despicable **** out and separated himself..

 

[Tunescribe]

What I don't understand is how Ruggs only got 3-10 years. His blood alcohol was 0.16, TWICE the legal limit and he killed a woman plus her dog in the most horrific way imaginable -- burning to death. He should've been sentenced 15-20 years.

The woman's family was awarded an undisclosed sum in a civil suit but that's little consolation. Some cases are beyond "redemption" and this qualifies, IMO.

 

[TheRainMaker]

In the case against vick.. it was others he allowed to take him down.. he allowed Cousins and friends to dog fight on his Virginia property.. ultimately he took the fall.. of course Vick admitted to it being part of his up bringing.. however he still should have cut that despicable **** out and separated himself..

I haven’t read too much of the details because it’s very disturbing to me, but I thought he was taking part in it. Regardless, he was aware of what was going on and okay with it.

 

[Huckleberry1]

It’s not just that. If this guy didn’t play football at Alabama and run a 4.3 he’d be a piece of **** murderer. Why someone would cast aside their moral standards because he can play a sport is beyond me.

I don't see any difference between a guy who gets drunk and fires a semi automatic weapon into a crowd killing someone, and getting ****faced and driving your car at 150 miles an hour. Both are murder because how else do you expect that to end? If you do something so outrageous that the expected outcome is someone dying that's not " an accident."

 

[Huckleberry1]

I haven’t read too much of the details because it’s very disturbing to me, but I thought he was taking part in it. Regardless, he was aware of what was going on and okay with it.

Vick was taking part in it. He was using his dogs.

 

[Huckleberry1]

While the result of Ruggs' actions were horrible, I have a much bigger problem with a person doing inexcusbale things while sober.

Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Zac Stacy, Tyreek Hill, Quinshon Judkins, and many others performed despicable acts with a clear mind.
To me there should be more outrage about them than about Ruggs.

Disagree JM. I don't see being drunk as any kind of excuse. He got into that car and drove it knowing he was drunk, then drove at a speed that guaranteed someone would end up dead. He murdered that woman and her dog, both of whom died while desperately trying to get out of a car that Ruggs damaged so badly they couldn't escape the fire he caused.

 

[Betterthanmost]

What I don't understand is how Ruggs only got 3-10 years. His blood alcohol was 0.16, TWICE the legal limit and he killed a woman plus her dog in the most horrific way imaginable -- burning to death. He should've been sentenced 15-20 years.

The woman's family was awarded an undisclosed sum in a civil suit but that's little consolation. Some cases are beyond "redemption" and this qualifies, IMO.

I think they got the restitution from the criminal case and not a civil suit. If I were them , a civil suit will follow after his release, I just see this as a case to get something positive out of a terrible terrible event and not just throw the baby with the bath water. It sounds like redemption in public opinion will be hard for him but I believe in personal redemption be it in the NFL or life in general. We all deserve a second chance. One can imagine their loved ones as the victim and be angry . One can also imagine their loved ones as being the complete moron Ruggs was and wanting them to redeem themselves. We all make mistakes, some mistakes can lead to terrible consequences but life should offer a way back if you are no longer the moron you were.

 

[Real fan 02]

I haven’t read too much of the details because it’s very disturbing to me, but I thought he was taking part in it. Regardless, he was aware of what was going on and okay with it.

He was playing for ATL at the time and it was happening on his Virginia property.. a whistleblower tapped the FBI and others who were actually doing it conspired against vick ultimately he took the fall.. as it was happening on his property..

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

I'm generally a progressive and hold many, but not all, of the views of that community.

But for Ruggs I believe he should have been sentenced so he never would have gotten out of jail. Not only did that woman and her dog die, they burned to death. They didn't just blink out of existence, they suffered greatly before they died.

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

**** that! This mother****er should be in prison for the rest of his life, not making millions playing football. He got drunk and ran into a womans car from behind doing 130 miles per hour, trapping the woman and her dog in the car, and both burned to death trying desperately to get out. If i saw him on a street i would run him over, then back over him multiple times to make sure the job was fully done.

 

[jmt57]

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Disagree JM. I don't see being drunk as any kind of excuse. He got into that car and drove it knowing he was drunk, then drove at a speed that guaranteed someone would end up dead. He murdered that woman and her dog, both of whom died while desperately trying to get out of a car that Ruggs damaged so badly they couldn't escape the fire he caused.

I hear you, and I'm not excusing Ruggs.

But to me doing something while excessively intoxicated is an apples/oranges comparison to committing a heinous act with a clean and sober mind. When a person is that much under the influence they don't realize how impaired they are.

Focusing solely on the end result, yes, a fiery death is far worse than receiving a beating, no matter how traumatizing for the victim.
I'm pulling back and looking at the whole picture from a macro perspective with all the circumstances, and not just that end result.

I get your point. But in this case we will just have to agree to disagree.