X's & O's The Patriots and the Erhardt-Perkins Offense

[signbabybrady]

These routes are not so much identified differently as they are packaged into one-word concepts for what happens on one half of the field, offense-wise, on the philosophy that a concept is easier to visualize or understand. Here is a great breakdown of the most famous concept in the EP offense. You have an inside, middle, and outside receiver each of who runs a particular route according to the concept being called, no matter what the personnel or formation is.

BB's genius was to turn the EP from an offense into a system of concepts, i.e., everything is organized by concepts. In other words, it became philosophically neutral. It was neither a ground or pound, air attack, or anything else, only what was required for the upcoming game, or suited to match the talent on offense (i.e., the WR group of the '07 team, or the 2 TE of the 2010's).

Concepts gives you the freedom to use any formation with any personnel group without getting bogged down in nomeclature (imagine blurting out a paragraph with the clock running out) because as long as you understood a concept, the only important thing was to know the personnel call and where you had to line up (the formation being called) and understand what the defense was giving you (man or zone, and if man, how your man was leveraged to you, which was what Brady would also see, and what Maye will hopefully someday see), hence it's moniker as the "amoeba offense." With this simple concepts system, the terminology used to identify personnel, formation, and concept all remain under 100 names for each, as opposed to the usual 500+ for a standard WC offense, and a total mathematical possibility of 60,000 variations which, as Brown points out, is beyond stupid and useless.

This should be required reading!

 

[Rob0729]

Go back and read some of the links. EP is a naming system, not a set of routes. Its genius is it separates the route from the formation, so for example the same route can be run by either a RB (in motion) or a wideout, via the same simple call. What makes that so effective is the defense gets many of its keys from the formation, and they can't rely on that as much versus an EP system.

I think you're saying that Josh is adding new routes or new wrinkles to existing routes. I don't know if that's true or not, but there's such a vast inventory of existing route combinations that I doubt much of that is going on. If you're seeing a difference in the routes being run this year vs. 2018, he's just calling different existing route combinations now, not making up new ones.

The EP system isn’t just a naming system. The fact that it uses concepts rather than designed routes is what makes it truly unique. But it a compete system just like the West Coast Offense.

The EP system is basically the ground and pound offense at its basics. That is how was originally designed. Rely heavily on the run and short quick passes.

That is where McDaniels is changing it this year. He is designing the plays to extend plays to allow receivers to go down the field and take advantage of the athleticism. Most of these plays are not new, but by making them part of the core part of the offense changes the system. We debate if it is a new system or just the old system used differently but this offense isn’t be run the way Brady or Grogan ran it.

 

[Rob0729]

honestly, I'm not hung up on it. I was just trying to help resolve the dispute.

Ok, I get ya. Thanks for that.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

More than anything else the thing that pisses me off about Spygate is how it wasn't even about stealing signals, it was about where our cameraman was. It took me years to learn that because the sports media is so corrupt and Pats-hating. And non-Patriots fans? Forget about it, they have no clue.

My coworker has rooted for the Patriots since growing up in the 80's, and he did not know that Roger Goodell was an executive for the New York Jets before working in the league office until I told him two months ago.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

We've been using this offense from 1976 to 1982, 1993-1996, 2000-2023, 2025.

A total of 36 years since 1976.

Ron Erhardt was here from 1973-1981. As head coach he was very well liked by his players, but the team during his tenure found an historically large amount of different ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Ray Perkins was here from 1974-1977 and 1993-1996. In his last game here, I wish he'd given C-Mart the damn ball.

 

[signbabybrady]

Except they don’t. They say the principles are the same which I say too. They don’t say that it is the same exact offense. The offense has morphed because of the personnel. It always does. But Maye’s playing style has made the offense significantly different even if the principles of the offense are the same.

 

[dliverey44]

It’s complicated because it’s complicated to defend.

Its pretty complicated for the WRs/QB as well. A lot of memorizations and the WRs need to know what every WR does on a given play.,

 

[signbabybrady]

Here some good breakdowns of last week's game from 2 backups with EP experience.

Brian Hoyer Breaks Down Top Plays from Win Over Buccaneers | Week 10 Film Review

 

[Lambeau12]

Here some good breakdowns of last week's game from 2 backups with EP experience.

Brian Hoyer Breaks Down Top Plays from Win Over Buccaneers | Week 10 Film Review

Best wishes tomorrow night against the Jets!

 

[signbabybrady]

Best wishes tomorrow night against the Jets!

Enjoy your bye win over nyg

 

[Lambeau12]

Enjoy your bye win over nyg

We’re not a good team. Lost 2 in a row at home.

 

[signbabybrady]

We’re not a good team. Lost 2 in a row at home.

2 score W. You can relax at least for this week.

 

[Lambeau12]

2 score W. You can relax at least for this week.

They just signed Winston. He will have a field day on us. We will be fortunate to win 2 or 3 more games.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

They just signed Winston. He will have a field day on us. We will be fortunate to win 2 or 3 more games.

And you don't have a 1st round pick in 2026 or 2027?

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

What I find the most fascinating is that Amelia Earhart was so instrumental in the formation of our offense, especially considering she disappeared over 20 years before the franchise was born. A true testament to how much of a pioneer she was.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

What I find the most fascinating is that Amelia Earhart was so instrumental in the formation of our offense, especially considering she disappeared over 20 years before the franchise was born. A true testament to how much of a pioneer she was.

"Amelia?"

... forget it he's on a roll

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

"Amelia?"

... forget it he's on a roll

WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?!?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

This should be required reading!

 

[TommyD4207]

I love that last picture.

 

[signbabybrady]