Miles Garrett is a legit possibility

[rkarp1]

It's not a foregone conclusion at all. That's why I called it "de facto" dead money because even if he's not cut you have to count him as basically dead money right now with how useless he is. He's on-the-roster-dead-money.

His contract is unique. If they cut him before June 1st next year, it costs them $50.4M of cap space. His dead cap would be that much greater than his current cap hit. If they wait until June 1st, it's cap neutral to cut him. They can designate him as June 1s, but still have to bear that $50.4M cap space loss until then which is unworkable for them. They're currently $13.9M over the cap next year right now so adding $50.4M to that is too much.

They'll either cut him on June 1st or in camp next year or if they're gonna keep him and pay him anyway they'll convert his $46M guaranteed salary to bonus and spread some of that burden. if they traded Garrett, they likely have to do the latter.

I think if they cut him post June 1 2026, his cap hit is $80m
2027-28-29 are voidable years with cap hits of $27m-$18m-$8m
he is only 31 years old
if he is working his ass off, and comes back 100% next year, I would think Cleve redoes his contract and spreads his remaining cap numbers out over 2-3 years.
they in theory roll with him next year, and see what type of player he is.
if he is even 80% of the player he was in Houston, and Cleve moves Garrett for 3 first round picks, giving Cleve 6-7 picks over the next 3 years...add in Judkins, Fannin, Schwessinger, Jeudy...they are on their way to a fast rebuild.

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[Family]

The thread title is wrong.

This is not a legit possibility.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Meh
He's ok
Pats need linebackers that are fast enough to cover running backs on a wheel route or middle of the field.
Any of those players available?

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Meh
He's ok
Pats need linebackers that are fast enough to cover running backs on a wheel route or middle of the field.
Any of those players available?

Meh, he’s ok?
Spoken like someone who doesn’t watch football, at least not with their eyes open.

 

[Pape]

You mortgage your future growth by moving up the timeline. Think 2019-2020. That's my only downsize to it. You could have your window be closing right as Maye is really hitting his peak. Which is scary when you think about it, how good that kid is going to be.

Certainly there is a downside. The piper must be paid at some point. Right now we are better able to absorb the cost of the player. Once Maye is earning 60 million a year, that type of move becomes risky to make... If the window is legit open for contention, its hard to say no.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I just read this before I read this thread, after Sunday's performance I was dreaming of him I n a Pats jersey.

The thread title is wrong.

This is not a legit possibility.

Cleveland has said multiple times they're not trading him, I believe them.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I just read this before I read this thread, after Sunday's performance I was dreaming of him I n a Pats jersey.

Cleveland has said multiple times they're not trading him, I believe them.

They have, and they won’t.
He’s a future HOFer playing at the highest level. That’s not even getting into the financial difficulties of trading him.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Wouldn't draft picks be better than hanging on to a guy who will be a shell of himself by the time you are competing. Conversely, why would you stay in a place with terrible ownership, front office/HC likely to be fired, and two teams with elite QB's in the division? None of it made sense. What's going to happen is he will ask out. They won't have leverage. And won't get as much for him in a trade.

 

[NFL Mystique]

They have, and they won’t.
He’s a future HOFer playing at the highest level. That’s not even getting into the financial difficulties of trading him.

I kind of understand why they wanted to sign him. I don't understand why he stayed. Did they sell him on being a contender anytime soon? It certainly can't just be money.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I kind of understand why they wanted to sign him. I don't understand why he stayed. Did they sell him on being a contender anytime soon? It certainly can't just be money.

Can only imagine they sold him on a plan.
“We have a plan for QB”….etc.
Obv the money is a big part of it, but one would imagine they gave him a good sales job.

 

[XLIX]

I think if they cut him post June 1 2026, his cap hit is $80m
2027-28-29 are voidable years with cap hits of $27m-$18m-$8m

The voidable years accelerate if they cut him, trade him, or his contract expires (which it is going to do following the 2026 season). The Browns are going to have to pay $131 million in total cap hit for Watson in 2026 and 2027. Right now it is scheduled to be $81 million in 2026 and $50 million in 2027, though they have leeway to reduce the 2026 number (keeping in mind that whatever they reduce 2026 by simply rolls to 2027).

he is only 31 years old
if he is working his ass off, and comes back 100% next year, I would think Cleve redoes his contract and spreads his remaining cap numbers out over 2-3 years.

There is zero chance of this happening. Cleveland can't just unilaterally redo his contract beyond 2026. They would have to extend him and I guarantee you such an extension won't come cheap.

It is more likely the Browns sign me to be their quarterback than give more money to Watson beyond the current debacle of a contract coming to a close.

 

[XLIX]

I kind of understand why they wanted to sign him. I don't understand why he stayed. Did they sell him on being a contender anytime soon? It certainly can't just be money.

He's a professional. I know we fans don't like hearing this, but yeah.... an awful lot of professionals care far more about making money than about competing for championships.

That's not even criticism... I'd probably do the same thing.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

hanging on to a guy who will be a shell of himself by the time you are competing.

Don’t understand this part of your statement at all.
We are competing now! And should be for the foreseeable future.
Garrett has at least say…3 good years left, if not more. He fits nicely in our current window

 

[Racervx54]

Do it @ firsts and a 3rd ez button. Garrett would instantly make this D better in so many ways.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Two things:

Why am I reading consistently that NE is already OVER the cap for 2026?

I bet they could finagle his cap and money BUT a team in year one of a rebuild, with little depth and little cost-controlled young talent can’t give away the two first round picks (at least) that it would take to get Garrett.

That’s honestly a better move for Buffalo or even Philly who have closing windows.

Now, if the Browns get hammered drunk and offer Garrett for a 1 this year, 2 next?

**** it go for it.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Myles Garrett isn't legit possibility. It would take 2 first round picks plus. They are going to stick to the plan, fill holes in free agency and draft to develop players long term. Edge will very likely be addressed with their first round pick in the 26' Draft.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Wouldn't draft picks be better than hanging on to a guy who will be a shell of himself by the time you are competing. Conversely, why would you stay in a place with terrible ownership, front office/HC likely to be fired, and two teams with elite QB's in the division? None of it made sense. What's going to happen is he will ask out. They won't have leverage. And won't get as much for him in a trade.

He asked out last offseason, they ended up giving him his current contract.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Put him next to Barmore/Williams and Garrett is a Mahomes/Allen killer in the playoffs, so yeah, I'd love for this to happen. I was actually dreaming up this scenario during the game.

But 2-3 first round picks is a steep price to pay. Then again, if it's the piece we need to get to and maybe even win a Super Bowl?

Fuuuuuuuuuu...

The goal shouldn't be to win a Super Bowl. The goal should be to win multiple Super Bowls, and you don't do that by trading away your future.

 

[PP2]

On listening to the Pat Macafee show I learned some stuff that makes a solid case for the Pats trading for Garrett.

1. The Pats have a league leading 55MM and probably NEED to add cap to avoid being UNDER the cap floor

2. and probably the key fact to me, Garrett's cap number for the next 3 years start small and maximize to something just in the mid TWENTIES in 2028, and THEN explode to 2 years in the 50's starting in 29. Bottom line for the next 2 and a half years Miles Garrett is a real cap BARGAIN for the rest his prime (until he's 32).

An important aspect of any trade is that it affects us LONG TERM and 2.5 years is LT in the NFL. That is easily worth a #1 that will likely be in the mid 20's at best. I would gladly make that deal for the 2026 #1+ for Miles Garrett.

A key for me was a podcast I listened to which included a guy who used to evaluate for PFF who said what he saw when he watched Garrett vs the Pats, was the SAME effect he saw in EVERY game he watched Garrett, even in games he went sackless. The difference was Maye held on to the ball a bit longer than most QB's.

Think about the impact to the Defense that kind of pressure and effort would bring game to game until 2029, and then at that point you restructure if you want to keep him.

So I never really thought Garrett was even a possibility because of his contract, but that isn't an issue until 2029 and I'll likely be dead then, so what do I care.

Come on Ken.

Sure, Garrett got five sacks and was very disruptive but two things happened: they still lost, and we still hung 30 plus on them.

Get back to bed, get some sleep.

 

[VrabelJr]

We should go get Christian McCaffrey while we’re at it. Roquan Smith too. Heck we have the money! Teams have to give us their best players. That’s just the way it is.