Miles Garrett is a legit possibility

[everlong]

Parsons was 2 firsts and a pro bowl NT. He's three years younger. I think it probably takes at least the two firsts even with the age difference. With Williams, Barmore, Garrett and Landry as your front and Gonzo, Marcus and Davis as your corners you are suddenly a defense as dangerous as the offense.

It will never happen but fun to speculate about nonetheless.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

why is it a foregone conclusion they would trade or cut Watson?

It's not a foregone conclusion at all. That's why I called it "de facto" dead money because even if he's not cut you have to count him as basically dead money right now with how useless he is. He's on-the-roster-dead-money.

His contract is unique. If they cut him before June 1st next year, it costs them $50.4M of cap space. His dead cap would be that much greater than his current cap hit. If they wait until June 1st, it's cap neutral to cut him. They can designate him as June 1s, but still have to bear that $50.4M cap space loss until then which is unworkable for them. They're currently $13.9M over the cap next year right now so adding $50.4M to that is too much.

They'll either cut him on June 1st or in camp next year or if they're gonna keep him and pay him anyway they'll convert his $46M guaranteed salary to bonus and spread some of that burden. if they traded Garrett, they likely have to do the latter.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

So, actually, digging into it, it's actually a very tradeable contract.

Almost all of the big money, while mostly guaranteed, is tied up into option bonuses, which are unique because unlike signing bonuses, they can be traded to other teams. So it looks like this:

The old team is responsible for any money already paid out while the player was under contract. The new team is responsible for any money yet to be paid.

 

[Grogan14]

This is not a Vrabel like move. There is no history of him being willing to trade high draft picks.
Its not in his DNA
Or Kraft.

But its fun to dream

 

[Pape]

The Khalil Mack trade between the Raiders & Bears has the be the most recent/relevant trade to gauge compensation by, no?

edit: there is also micah parsons... dallas is holding 2 firsts from that trade as well... instead of extra picks, they took a warm body...

Khalil Mack
Raiders: 2019 1st (24th) & 6th (196th) 2020 1st (19th) & 3rd (81st)
Bears: Mack, 2020 2nd (43rd) & conditional 5th (per conditions became a 2020 7th (226th)

So the Bears parted with 2 firsts, a third and a sixth...

Is Miles Garrett worth the cost in picks?

 

[Nikolai]

Put him next to Barmore/Williams and Garrett is a Mahomes/Allen killer in the playoffs, so yeah, I'd love for this to happen. I was actually dreaming up this scenario during the game.

But 2-3 first round picks is a steep price to pay. Then again, if it's the piece we need to get to and maybe even win a Super Bowl?

Fuuuuuuuuuu...

 

[A Defiant Goose]

i don't think theres a fly's left testicle of a chance we get him

 

[ctpatsfan77]

1. The Pats have a league leading 55MM and probably NEED to add cap to avoid being UNDER the cap floor

There is no cap floor. There is the cash spending floor, which runs from 2024 to 2026, and they are currently over that floor.

 

[XLIX]

The $$ issue isn’t on the Pats’ side. Take a look at the dead cap Cleveland would be saddled with.

Most of the dead cap would come with Garrett to New England since so much of it represents guaranteed money that has not yet been paid.

EDIT: His dead cap is currently $124 million (according to SporTrac) and $102 million next year. If traded, it seems the Browns would be on the hook for $68 million, which is a larger percentage of the overall dead cap than I was expecting.

 

[Grogan14]

There is also the fact that he is 30.
Physical peak for most NFL players is 24-30
Good chance he may be at top of cliff right now
Not sure 2 first rounders and $$$ is worth it at age 30
I do not think so

 

[Steve102]

The Khalil Mack trade between the Raiders & Bears has the be the most recent/relevant trade to gauge compensation by, no?

Khalil Mack
Raiders: 2019 1st (24th) & 6th (196th) 2020 1st (19th) & 3rd (81st)
Bears: Mack, 2020 2nd (43rd) & conditional 5th (per conditions became a 2020 7th (226th)

So the Bears parted with 2 firsts, a third and a sixth...

Is Miles Garrett worth the cost in picks?

They'd be a super bowl contender now. Not a runaway favorite, but who's that much better? Other posters have pointed out, there's other bills to pay, salary wise, very soon. How does this change the payroll and the locker room dynamic.

Tough call.

 

[Ross12]

The old team is responsible for any money already paid out while the player was under contract. The new team is responsible for any money yet to be paid.

Right - any yet untriggered option bonuses. Because they are viewed as "optional" even when they are guaranteed, which doesn't make sense, but that's how it goes.

 

[Pape]

They'd be a super bowl contender now. Not a runaway favorite, but who's that much better? Other posters have pointed out, there's other bills to pay, salary wise, very soon. How does this change the payroll and the locker room dynamic.

Tough call.

Dude, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Not even a question at this point.

Williams - Barmore - Garrett

Oh hell yes

 

[Ring 6]

On listening to the Pat Macafee show I learned some stuff that makes a solid case for the Pats trading for Garrett.

1. The Pats have a league leading 55MM and probably NEED to add cap to avoid being UNDER the cap floor

2. and probably the key fact to me, Garrett's cap number for the next 3 years start small and maximize to something just in the mid TWENTIES in 2028, and THEN explode to 2 years in the 50's starting in 29. Bottom line for the next 2 and a half years Miles Garrett is a real cap BARGAIN for the rest his prime (until he's 32).

An important aspect of any trade is that it affects us LONG TERM and 2.5 years is LT in the NFL. That is easily worth a #1 that will likely be in the mid 20's at best. I would gladly make that deal for the 2026 #1+ for Miles Garrett.

A key for me was a podcast I listened to which included a guy who used to evaluate for PFF who said what he saw when he watched Garrett vs the Pats, was the SAME effect he saw in EVERY game he watched Garrett, even in games he went sackless. The difference was Maye held on to the ball a bit longer than most QB's.

Think about the impact to the Defense that kind of pressure and effort would bring game to game until 2029, and then at that point you restructure if you want to keep him.

So I never really thought Garrett was even a possibility because of his contract, but that isn't an issue until 2029 and I'll likely be dead then, so what do I care.

The cap floor is a cash floor and is over a 3 (or 4?) year period. We spent a lot of cash this year on signing bonuses we aren’t anywhere near danger of being below the floor.

It would be interesting to see the results of these kind of trades. You are giving up a 1st, probably more than 1 first, for an older player. So the cost is both his large contract AND the young player(s) you would draft and have under control at a reasonable price for 5 years.
I know the rams sold their picks for players and got a SB out if it and have been meh since. But I don’t remember any other teams doing it effectively. Parsons will be another example. I suppose in the end it depends on where your team is, how bad you need the player and if you have both youth to overcome the loss of picks. Gut instincts are a proven guy is better than a pick but the opportunity cost of the extra $ plus the pick can add up.

 

[scott99]

The Pat McAfee show is complete garbage. He’s only famous because people like his yelling and screaming and his slight semblance of a sense of humor. I give this less than 0.01% chance of happening.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Not sure if the Browns would be interested since we can no longer offer them Keion White.

 

[captain stone]

Not sure if the Browns would be interested since we can no longer offer them Keion White.

Anfernee Jennings?

 

[XLIX]

The only thing that makes me think Cleveland trading Garrett is a remote possibility is the fact that they have to swallow a total $131 million salary cap **** sandwich in 2026 and 2027 thanks to our good friend, DeShaun Watson.

But still, they have plenty of options to spread Garrett's salary cap hit thin over the next 2 years and kick that can down the road to the late 20's. I'd be shocked if they move from him.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Right - any yet untriggered option bonuses. Because they are viewed as "optional" even when they are guaranteed, which doesn't make sense, but that's how it goes.

You're making it more complicated than it needs to be. "Guaranteed" simply means that a team has the obligation to pay that money at some point.

When a team trades for a player, they are agreeing to take on all money yet to be paid (salary, option bonuses, roster bonuses, incentives, etc.) as of the date of the trade. The old team is responsible for everything up to that date.

So, for example, if the Pats did trade for Garrett next Tuesday, they'd be responsible for any money in the contract that is to be paid on or after that date (e.g., his 2026 option bonus), but not for anything due to Garrett before it (e.g., his game check for this coming weekend).

 

[Steve102]

Dude, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Not even a question at this point.

Williams - Barmore - Garrett

Oh hell yes

You mortgage your future growth by moving up the timeline. Think 2019-2020. That's my only downsize to it. You could have your window be closing right as Maye is really hitting his peak. Which is scary when you think about it, how good that kid is going to be.