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You know the scores each week are ending up being pretty much like what I expected/hoped, but how we get there has been the interesting part. I mean when you have a game where your QB gets sacked 6 times and loses over 35yds in those sacks, you don't usually end up with 32 points and your QB throws for 285 yds in just 24 throws.


We did some other things that generally don't equate to blowout wins. We turned the ball over 3 times (I count the fact they recovered an onside kick as a TO even if the NFL doesn't) So it was fortunate we had 2 TO's ourselves. BTW- in a rare omission by the ST's coach, the team failed to execute a very simple defense against the pop-up kick the Browns used to recover the ball. And it's a very easy one. The pop up kick is designed to roll on the ground for about 3 or 4 bounces and on that 5th bounce, about 7-10 yds down the field pop up and give a chance to the sprinters (3 or 4 fast guys with good hands who line up to the side the kick is going to be made). It is easily defended by having designated 2-3 of the defenders to the side the ball is being kicked designated blockers who attack first attackers before they reach the 10 yds allowing a designate "hands" guy to be able to catch the ball as it starts to pop up. Instead, the ball popped up directly to Hooper who instead of attacking the ball waited for it come to him, and it didn't seem like anyone moved forward to block the attackers. This is something I am SURE the coach went over since this is HS stuff even in my day over 50 years ago. But they surely didn't execute it and Cleveland got there first and recovered the ball. Very disappointing.

But despite all these negatives, an explosive 3rd quarter propelled us to a 3 score win and we left the field with everyone relatively healthy and ending the game with a 2:00minutes of kneel downs that inflate Maye's rush attempts and lower his ypc average.


1. So, lets change the order of the breakdown as start with the elephant in the room, the 6 sacks of Drake Maye, 5 of which were done by Myles Garrett. GOD! he is good.

I missed seeing him in 22 and I don't have any real memories of him other than being a good rusher, but no different than any of a dozen good rushers around the league.

He was so good today, I rewatched our offense just to watch him work more closely, especially when he was matched up against Will. I think on second look, he was a bit better than is going to be portrayed the coming week. We dropped back 24 times and I'd estimate Garrett matched up against him about half the time.

Now most of those times Josh didn't leave him hanging and he had either a TE chipping and releasing or double teaming him full time. Looks good on paper maybe the kid can't take him one on one, but he really should control him with the help of a double team. We'll Will will be held responsible for 2 of those sacks. On one the TE whiffed on him and Garrett used a very accurate hand slap at a distance and ran around Will like he was rooted like a tree. IIRC that was the first sack. Campbell looked very uncomfortable, like he wasn't in synch with working with a TE and in so much space. It was a very slick move by Garrett and one I doubt Campbell had seen before.

The 2nd sack was an awesome, euro-step inside move that I though Will reacted well to, but it coincided with one of those times when Maye decided to step up in the pocket and not escape out and kind of ran into Garrett who kept pushing Will back into Maye where he grabbed him. If you look at it, it wasn't a horrible block. Will reacted to another awesome move and it was Garrett's 2nd effort that pushed him the step or two that put him in contact with Maye. If you look, Campbell is still in front of Garrett in pretty good position, if Maye hadn't climbed the pocket putting him into Garrett's grasp. There were 2 other times where Garrett just speed rushed Will and although Maye was able to get the pass off, Garrett got real close. It was early and I don't think Will was prepared for the explosiveness from a man that big.

The important thing was he got BETTER as the game went along, and I have no doubt that the next time the 2 pair off, Campbell will do better. He handled Wright who also made some good plays in the game, pretty well on pass pro.


2. Josh had his best game so far. He made on the fly adjustments to the run game to negate all the pinching Cleveland was doing and really got the running game going with 127 yds for the running backs. He made some nice half time adjustments as well. Josh makes a difference and is well worth the $10MM Oakland is paying him.


3. Drake Maye - The most impressive thing about his game wasn't the exceptional deep throw accuracy we keep seeing week to week, or his running prowess. It was. his demeanor and poise. Sacked 6 times and he seemed to have the same look and attitude the next play as he had in games he was hardly touched. It's like the last play never existed and all that matters is the next one, regardless of whether the last one was a disaster or a success. Truely remarkable for one so young. We all wondered how Drake would fare against one of the so called "top defenses". Well now we know.


4. I thought Stevenson was great even if his numbers weren't impressive (2.4 ypc) The catch he made on the long pass to the GL was on a 50-50 worthy of a WR, and even if he was forced out of bounds it was impressive and show potential for the future.

He also had a pass block on a blitzing LB where he didn't just block him. He slobber knocked him dead in his tracks and bounced him back, not something you usually see from a back. Stevenson simply makes the Pats a better team.


5. This is Kayshon Boutte's 3rd year with the Pats. It's hard to believe that he's just 23 years old, but it might explain his slow progress until this breakout year. True he had a drop, but that's just the exception that proves the rule. He's made at least one key catch in every game, and while he doesn't seem to impress anyone here, I'm sure he's starting impress the scouts of the teams that are left on our schedule.


6. On the defensive side. Is there anyone who wants to doubt that Robert Spillane was a great FA signing. Maybe he's not an all pro elite player, but he's been a solid tackling machine, and a decent middle of the field cover guy besides being a good leader and energy guy. 14 tackles is a great number that's a pretty impressive number considering Cleveland only rushed the ball 15 times (well yes, I know some of those tackles were on receivers down field, but you have to admit it sounds impressive when you first read it.


7. Another thing that impressed me was how well the defense rushed to the ball on short passes. Several times the Browns were stopped for no gain or even short losses by the Pats pursuit. I'd especially want to single out the CB's Jones, Gonzo, and Davis all were exceptional in their tackling and their willingness to hit. Christian and Marcus need to be LOCKED up after this season.


8. We were warned that this game was going to be a flag fest. Instead, although it seemed rather one sided, (especially in the first half) and Davis got hosed on that holding call that would have negated their first TD drive, the relative LACK of flags was rather refreshing.


9. Looks like our kicker has become pretty much automatic from just about anywhere inside of 60. I wonder just what the hell they are doing to those balls that make them go so much further. BTW- Yesterday PFT reported there were 2 FG's attempted without the K-balls, and BOTH missed. Curious.


10. I haven't seen much of Atlanta this year, but my impression was that they have a fast aggressive defense with a good pass rush. Again, that is an impression. They laid an egg yesterday, but they have weapons on both sides of the ball. However it is a game that will have us favored in the 7 point range, I'd suspect and a game we SHOULD win at home with a relatively healthy team.


11. I wonder what Baremore did to deserve that one quarter sit down? He DID still get a Vrabel hug at the door after the game.


12. Oh, I almost forgot this thought. Did you notice that Henderson seemed to have a bit of a breakthrough Sunday, leading the team in rushing and averaging almost 9ypc. This is what we hoped and expected when he was drafted, and we saw just a BIT of that expectation today (minus the fumble of course). Still it was progress, and far from a finished product. That kind of progress is still in the cards for Williams. Henderson's rise is in HIS future too. We just have to be patient. The guys currently in front of him are doing a great job and he is YOUNG.


OK sorry for the delay in getting this off. I fell asleep last night. Add your thoughts and comments and I'll go check out the post game thread.
 
its just fun watching this team passing every new test thrown their way.

First big one taking down the bills in buffalo where the bills haven’t lost in nearly 2 years. Showing we do belong

Then you wanted to see them avoid a let down in that trap game vs no after the bills win. Passed with flying colors, doing it while fending off a terrible officiating crew

Then you win 3 road games in a row which is hard for the greatest of teams, let alone such a young group.

This week we got punched in the mouth half one. Ol got pushed around by myles and company, drake threw a bad pick. We survived, made adjustments, and blew them out in half 2. Like i said after the no game you almost rather see the team battle through adversity than to see them just dominate a bad team from the start.

We’re learning more and more about this team’s dna as the season goes, and it just keeps getting better the more we discover. Thats incredibly exciting, these guys are for real
 
Nothing but love for you Ken and like most everyone else year after year, game after game I look for your post game takes
NGL though almost every time I think to myself 'idle' thoughts? Doesn't seem like you're idling...



Don't get me wrong, even when I have rare moments of disagreement, I read & respect every word. I just always find myself wondering what a 'deep thoughts'™ (props to Jack Handy) post might look like or if the site has storage enough to accommodate one.
 
As always great breakdown Ken. I am really enjoying the professional coaching that is happening with the team. It is night and day compared to the last 5 years. Vrabel had a vision and he did an excellent job putting together this staff. They are doing an excellent job bringing along the younger players (Maye, Boutte, Henderson etc) and the veterans are leading the way.

I think that Vrabel himself did an excellent job learning from great coaches but has his own style. You can see that the team believes in him and does their best to execute the weekly game plan. It is great to watch a well coached, hard working team playing some great football again in New England.
 
I am baffled by the pervasive habit of making excuses for Rhamondre. A lead back who is this inconsistent week-to-week and who has a confirmed fumbling issue is a problem. 14 carries for 34 yards? Gimme a break.
 
I am baffled by the pervasive habit of making excuses for Rhamondre. A lead back who is this inconsistent week-to-week and who has a confirmed fumbling issue is a problem. 14 carries for 34 yards? Gimme a break.
Downvote? Let's hear an argument for this marginal player.
 
Taking care of business sums it up nicely.

In the highly schizophrenic NFL, the 2025 Vrabel Pats are a model of professionalism and consistency. Not too high, not too low. Solid performance becoming the norm, but room for improvement. Team gaining confidence, but not buying in to the hype. Most of this is likely due to Mike Vrabel.

On to Atlanta. The Falcons will likely play much better than they did against Miami. I expect a good fight for20'30 minutes, followed by the Pats imposing their will and pulling away. That's pretty much my expectation every week at this point.

Even the dynasty teams threw up a dud or two. We'll see if the 2025 version can keep it up.
 
What I like about this team is how they adjust as the game goes on. Every game so far they seem to struggle out of the gate, but man when they figure things out, they really get rolling.
 
Another great one Ken..
What impressed me was the variety on offense, seems for the past 5 years 1st downs were predictable. Yesterday Josh opened the play book a bit more with very good results.
Glad Henderson was called upon, he responded well.
Despite the sacks and the turnovers, this game was "watchable" and not very boring.
Gonzales is back and his presence was very noticeable..
Thought the officiating sucked as usual, the first half favored the Browns.. 2nd half evened out a bit more, but crappy penalties can be demoralizing to a team.
Drake Maye continues to impress even more than he already has.. he is coming into his own.
Looks like next year we will move on up to the Grade B announcers, Schlereth drives me nuts, a good player but a crappy color guy.
 
Downvote? Let's hear an argument for this marginal player.
Maybe folks just don’t want to argue with you even if they don’t agree with you.

Sorry to disappoint you.
 
Nice breakdown, coach.
 
Atlanta sports radio is having a meltdown...lol

1st rounder LB/ED Walker is nursing a hamstring, and their best LB Diablo is injured too. WR Drake London is also injured, there isn't much to throw to except TE Kyle Pitts.
They have talented players, but aren't coached well. They have a very simple offense.... The fan perspective is that they run 8 plays, left and right.
 
Atlanta sports radio is having a meltdown...lol

1st rounder LB/ED Walker is nursing a hamstring, and their best LB Diablo is injured too.
They have talented players, but aren't coached well. They have a very simple offense.... The fan perspective is that they run 8 plays, left and right.
It's not much more than that.

And they waxed Buffalo with that.
 
Just a few more points that idlily pass by:

1. Not for nothing but am I the only guy who noticed that the ONLY points we have scored in the 4th quarter over the THREE games has been a safety! That's 2 points, folks. Granted we were comfortably ahead in all those games, but as the schedule starts to toughen up going ahead, we are going to need to be more productive at the end of games.

2. Back in 04, we all thought the league was out to screw us when they gave us a by at the end of the season, but it turned into a blessing as we had literally 2 weeks off to get our legs back and get healthy for the playoff run. This year we, along with 3 other teams, share the last bye on week 14. That is a long stretch to play without a break. We share that "honor" with Carolina, the Giants, and SF. I'm guessing they threw us and the Pather's and Giants in there because we were all considered afterthoughts so they could **** with us. I don't understand who the Niners pissed off to join us, but it could end up to be a blessing too.

3. Good to see us stuff the best rookie RB and the one thing the Cleveland offense did well because our next opponent supposedly has the second coming of Sequan Barclay in Bjon Robinson. That rare combination of size, speed, and agility that make great RB's. So, our run D is going to be tested again.

There is a clip showing how Miami and their bad run D did a great job against them. Well 2 things helped them. Atlanta got far behind so they got away from their run game and second (in a clip I saw) Miami constantly had 8 men within 5 yds of the ball inside the tackle box and there was nowhere to run from TE to tackle and that's where Atlanta continued to run. This was a failed strategy that is unlikely to be repeated. BTW, even though he was outnumbered, Robinson scarily almost broke free a couple of times. Very quick in the hole and strong. He's a true threat to tale it all the way every time he touches the ball.
 
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Just a few more points that idlily pass by:

1. Not for nothing but am I the only guy who noticed that the ONLY points we have scored in the last THREE games has been a safety! That's 2 points, folks. Granted we were comfortably ahead in all those games, but as the schedule starts to toughen up going ahead, we are going to need to be more productive at the end of games.
Do you mean in the 4th quarter?
 
Do you mean in the 4th quarter?

Right? Who doesn't appreciate a little cruise control when it's called for?
When our boys are on the right side of the score I for one can appreciate a dull ending
 
Do you mean in the 4th quarter?

1st quarter - Pats ranked 7th in the league in points scored in that quarter
2nd quarter - 6th
3rd quarter - 4th
4th quarter- 27th!

Could be a conservative approach to closing out games but obviously we'd want to be better than this if we're behind in a game.
 
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You know the scores each week are ending up being pretty much like what I expected/hoped, but how we get there has been the interesting part. I mean when you have a game where your QB gets sacked 6 times and loses over 35yds in those sacks, you don't usually end up with 32 points and your QB throws for 285 yds in just 24 throws.


We did some other things that generally don't equate to blowout wins. We turned the ball over 3 times (I count the fact they recovered an onside kick as a TO even if the NFL doesn't) So it was fortunate we had 2 TO's ourselves. BTW- in a rare omission by the ST's coach, the team failed to execute a very simple defense against the pop-up kick the Browns used to recover the ball. And it's a very easy one. The pop up kick is designed to roll on the ground for about 3 or 4 bounces and on that 5th bounce, about 7-10 yds down the field pop up and give a chance to the sprinters (3 or 4 fast guys with good hands who line up to the side the kick is going to be made). It is easily defended by having designated 2-3 of the defenders to the side the ball is being kicked designated blockers who attack first attackers before they reach the 10 yds allowing a designate "hands" guy to be able to catch the ball as it starts to pop up. Instead, the ball popped up directly to Hooper who instead of attacking the ball waited for it come to him, and it didn't seem like anyone moved forward to block the attackers. This is something I am SURE the coach went over since this is HS stuff even in my day over 50 years ago. But they surely didn't execute it and Cleveland got there first and recovered the ball. Very disappointing.

But despite all these negatives, an explosive 3rd quarter propelled us to a 3 score win and we left the field with everyone relatively healthy and ending the game with a 2:00minutes of kneel downs that inflate Maye's rush attempts and lower his ypc average.


1. So, lets change the order of the breakdown as start with the elephant in the room, the 6 sacks of Drake Maye, 5 of which were done by Myles Garrett. GOD! he is good.

I missed seeing him in 22 and I don't have any real memories of him other than being a good rusher, but no different than any of a dozen good rushers around the league.

He was so good today, I rewatched our offense just to watch him work more closely, especially when he was matched up against Will. I think on second look, he was a bit better than is going to be portrayed the coming week. We dropped back 24 times and I'd estimate Garrett matched up against him about half the time.

Now most of those times Josh didn't leave him hanging and he had either a TE chipping and releasing or double teaming him full time. Looks good on paper maybe the kid can't take him one on one, but he really should control him with the help of a double team. We'll Will will be held responsible for 2 of those sacks. On one the TE whiffed on him and Garrett used a very accurate hand slap at a distance and ran around Will like he was rooted like a tree. IIRC that was the first sack. Campbell looked very uncomfortable, like he wasn't in synch with working with a TE and in so much space. It was a very slick move by Garrett and one I doubt Campbell had seen before.

The 2nd sack was an awesome, euro-step inside move that I though Will reacted well to, but it coincided with one of those times when Maye decided to step up in the pocket and not escape out and kind of ran into Garrett who kept pushing Will back into Maye where he grabbed him. If you look at it, it wasn't a horrible block. Will reacted to another awesome move and it was Garrett's 2nd effort that pushed him the step or two that put him in contact with Maye. If you look, Campbell is still in front of Garrett in pretty good position, if Maye hadn't climbed the pocket putting him into Garrett's grasp. There were 2 other times where Garrett just speed rushed Will and although Maye was able to get the pass off, Garrett got real close. It was early and I don't think Will was prepared for the explosiveness from a man that big.

The important thing was he got BETTER as the game went along, and I have no doubt that the next time the 2 pair off, Campbell will do better. He handled Wright who also made some good plays in the game, pretty well on pass pro.


2. Josh had his best game so far. He made on the fly adjustments to the run game to negate all the pinching Cleveland was doing and really got the running game going with 127 yds for the running backs. He made some nice half time adjustments as well. Josh makes a difference and is well worth the $10MM Oakland is paying him.


3. Drake Maye - The most impressive thing about his game wasn't the exceptional deep throw accuracy we keep seeing week to week, or his running prowess. It was. his demeanor and poise. Sacked 6 times and he seemed to have the same look and attitude the next play as he had in games he was hardly touched. It's like the last play never existed and all that matters is the next one, regardless of whether the last one was a disaster or a success. Truely remarkable for one so young. We all wondered how Drake would fare against one of the so called "top defenses". Well now we know.


4. I thought Stevenson was great even if his numbers weren't impressive (2.4 ypc) The catch he made on the long pass to the GL was on a 50-50 worthy of a WR, and even if he was forced out of bounds it was impressive and show potential for the future.

He also had a pass block on a blitzing LB where he didn't just block him. He slobber knocked him dead in his tracks and bounced him back, not something you usually see from a back. Stevenson simply makes the Pats a better team.


5. This is Kayshon Boutte's 3rd year with the Pats. It's hard to believe that he's just 23 years old, but it might explain his slow progress until this breakout year. True he had a drop, but that's just the exception that proves the rule. He's made at least one key catch in every game, and while he doesn't seem to impress anyone here, I'm sure he's starting impress the scouts of the teams that are left on our schedule.


6. On the defensive side. Is there anyone who wants to doubt that Robert Spillane was a great FA signing. Maybe he's not an all pro elite player, but he's been a solid tackling machine, and a decent middle of the field cover guy besides being a good leader and energy guy. 14 tackles is a great number that's a pretty impressive number considering Cleveland only rushed the ball 15 times (well yes, I know some of those tackles were on receivers down field, but you have to admit it sounds impressive when you first read it.


7. Another thing that impressed me was how well the defense rushed to the ball on short passes. Several times the Browns were stopped for no gain or even short losses by the Pats pursuit. I'd especially want to single out the CB's Jones, Gonzo, and Davis all were exceptional in their tackling and their willingness to hit. Christian and Marcus need to be LOCKED up after this season.


8. We were warned that this game was going to be a flag fest. Instead, although it seemed rather one sided, (especially in the first half) and Davis got hosed on that holding call that would have negated their first TD drive, the relative LACK of flags was rather refreshing.


9. Looks like our kicker has become pretty much automatic from just about anywhere inside of 60. I wonder just what the hell they are doing to those balls that make them go so much further. BTW- Yesterday PFT reported there were 2 FG's attempted without the K-balls, and BOTH missed. Curious.


10. I haven't seen much of Atlanta this year, but my impression was that they have a fast aggressive defense with a good pass rush. Again, that is an impression. They laid an egg yesterday, but they have weapons on both sides of the ball. However it is a game that will have us favored in the 7 point range, I'd suspect and a game we SHOULD win at home with a relatively healthy team.


11. I wonder what Baremore did to deserve that one quarter sit down? He DID still get a Vrabel hug at the door after the game.


12. Oh, I almost forgot this thought. Did you notice that Henderson seemed to have a bit of a breakthrough Sunday, leading the team in rushing and averaging almost 9ypc. This is what we hoped and expected when he was drafted, and we saw just a BIT of that expectation today (minus the fumble of course). Still it was progress, and far from a finished product. That kind of progress is still in the cards for Williams. Henderson's rise is in HIS future too. We just have to be patient. The guys currently in front of him are doing a great job and he is YOUNG.


OK sorry for the delay in getting this off. I fell asleep last night. Add your thoughts and comments and I'll go check out the post game thread.
nice post!

I agree with Josh. I thought back in his BB days, Josh got the best of the opposing DC's 11-13 games per season, with a couple of draws and a couple of stinkers. He again seems on his game, and his adjustments so far have worked well.

I also agree regarding Campbell. he had a few bad snaps. otherwise, he was good to very good. same with Wilson. he had some bad snaps. but he was getting to the 2nd level blocks really well
 
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