Patriots Pregame Thread Week 8: Browns @ Pats

[Brady to Maye]

I am a season ticket holder and I have 5 spots save in a parking lot away from the stadium. This is only the 2nd time all spots will be filled. Fans are starting to get excited about this team. I am too. Mostly that they are playing well and are am improved team . Playoffs? Well, I think its too soon to get my hopes up. I am just enjoying the ride.

 

[WinstonSmith]

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Great news on woodson. hawkins and dugger as our safeties doesn’t sound ideal

 

[KCSVEN]

Browns points allowed in their 3 road games:

41 at Baltimore
34 at Detroit
23 at Pittsburgh

Their impressive outings have come at the dawgpound. I don't expect us to put up an easy 40 burger but a hard fought 27+ seems reasonable.

Points are misleading.
Due to TO's and bad special teams the Ravens scored 17 of the first 20 points starting in Cleveland's end, 1 TD was a 5-yard drive. They had another 7 points in the 4th with similar great starting position in Cleveland's end. Browns defense gave up only 10 points total on drives that had any length whatsoever.

Lions, 16 yard drive for 3 points, 5 yard drive for 7 more. 20 yards for another TD. 17 of the points were on the offense and special teams more than the defense.

Steelers were the one game they had to make drives for the 23 points. Still, only 23 points.

This is a good defense, one of the better in the NFL overall.

They are offset by a bad Offense. Just watched last week's tape on Gabriel. He stinks. Lots of screens and scrambles. He has no arm strength, if he tries to go down field against Pats he will get picked more than once. Just need to cover the short passes and the scrambles and they will have a hard time scoring at all.

 

[p8ryts]

I had this years ago and it took the better part of a year to heal (where chest ribs connect to cartilage). It's very painful.

Costochondritis - Wikipedia

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Impacts your breathing in addition to pain

 

[Triumph]

 

[Tunescribe]

A minuteman -- in a RED coat. WTF is wrong with you? Cleveland will be wearing white jerseys, bulldog is not their mascot.

 

[JMC00]

Wentz completed 73% of his passes against them 2 weeks ago.

 

[Triumph]

Hendo should have a big game rather than being outshone by Judkins who has been running wild with the exception of the Pitt game.

 

[JMC00]

Judkins who has been running wild with the exception of the Pitt game.

I really don't get this take. He's had a sub 4.0 ypc in half his games this year with 2 games under 3.5 ypc. Dolphins have the worst run defense yet take away his 1 big run he had 23 carries for 38 yards (1.6 ypc)

 

[Thelonious]

The record is better than I had expected - I had thought maybe 8 wins for the season, and it looks like they'll certainly surpass that - but I am going to stick with regarding this season as successful to the extent the team shows progress in what I am going to regard as (yet another) first year in a rebuild. I said at the start that I really don't much care what the record is nor do I care whether they get into the playoffs (in which, though they are better than I expected, they have no realistic chance of advancing very far). I'm sticking to that. It's been a fun way to experience the season: all my surprises have been happy ones.

In that light, I look forward to this game because it's a chance for Drake and the offense overall to show what they can do against a really solid, kinda threatening defense. If they can acquit themselves well, I'll be happy. If they do acquit themselves well but lose, I'll be OK with that. If I had to predict, I would predict that they will do well and very well might win. But here too, my standard for success is not limited to counting victories.

The only thing I worry about, frankly, is Drake's recklessness, though I do think he understands that he needs to get a little more patient at times waiting for a play to develop - he really did ignore open guys in some of his runs last week - and get in the habit of sliding when he runs, fercrissake. With the sort of pressure he'll likely face this week, he might be forced to pull it down and run, whatever his intentions, but he could still practice taking what's there on a. run, then getting down. He seems like a guy who learns fast and does not generally repeat mistakes, so I think he'll figure it all out. I just hope he doesn't get clobbered in the process.

I'm also skeptical that they will continue to be as lucky as they have been with injuries, which will expose their lack of depth, but there not much they can do about that at this point.

 

[FCB02062]

Lots of people in here seem to be making ready made excuses if the Pats lose Sunday - "Cleveland's defense is great"....are we talking the ****ing 85 Bears here? they're a 2 win team and winless on the road with a rookie QB. The Pats defense has given up fewer points. Cleveland gave up 21 points to Carson Wentz. If the Pats lose it will be because they lost the game, not because Cleveland won and is some up and coming version of the greatest defense in history. You lose to a 2-5 team at home, a team with 0 Ws away from home, it's back to the drawing board because you just took 5 major steps back.

 

[Thelonious]

Lots of people in here seem to be making ready made excuses if the Pats lose Sunday - "Cleveland's defense is great"....are we talking the ****ing 85 Bears here? they're a 2 win team and winless on the road with a rookie QB. The Pats defense has given up fewer points. Cleveland gave up 21 points to Carson Wentz. If the Pats lose it will be because they lost the game, not because Cleveland won and is some up and coming version of the greatest defense in history. You lose to a 2-5 team at home, a team with 0 Ws away from home, it's back to the drawing board because you just took 5 major steps back.

Who said Cleveland's defense was comparable to the '85 Bears? I have seen several posts suggesting that the D this week represents a greater challenge than the team has faced in recent weeks. Most go on to say they are glad of the challenge, since it affords an opportunity for our offense to show what it can do and to grow. Both are entirely reasonable - and supportive - points of view, it seems to me. That perspective frankly looks a lot less alarmist to me than your apocalyptic post.

 

[Thelonious]

Impacts your breathing in addition to pain

Anything involving rib cartilage hurts like hell and takes forever to heal, because that connective tissue has pretty limited blood supply. I broke a few ribs one time falling off my dirt bike. I felt it for a frigging year. The fractures heal pretty quickly, as bones will generally do, but that cartilage takes forever.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Lots of people in here seem to be making ready made excuses if the Pats lose Sunday - "Cleveland's defense is great"....are we talking the ****ing 85 Bears here? they're a 2 win team and winless on the road with a rookie QB. The Pats defense has given up fewer points. Cleveland gave up 21 points to Carson Wentz. If the Pats lose it will be because they lost the game, not because Cleveland won and is some up and coming version of the greatest defense in history. You lose to a 2-5 team at home, a team with 0 Ws away from home, it's back to the drawing board because you just took 5 major steps back.

We're not losing to these Browns unless we beat ourselves.

 

[sb1]

Would be fascinating to hear their draft room's thoughts around picking Gabriel over Sanders in the draft when they had the chance.

 

[Brady to Maye]

We're not losing to these Browns unless we beat ourselves.

Maybe but even bad teams have good games. We had 4 of them last year. Sometimes teams get outplayed it happens. We are not that good yet that we can count out any opponent . We are still young teams and we have young players at key positions that can still be inconsistent.

 

[The Gr8est]

Hendo should have a big game rather than being outshone by Judkins who has been running wild with the exception of the Pitt game.

If the light suddenly goes on for Henderson and he becomes the player we saw in TC, that will be a huge boost to the Pats offense, and one more thing for the rest of the NFL to worry about.

If we polled Pats fans after TC on which rookie would have the greatest impact, Henderson would have been one of highest vote totals.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I'd love it if we solve their D and win 27-20, but I'll take a very clean, very conservative, field position game and win 16-13. Turnovers are what can beat us.

 

[Triumph]

I really don't get this take. He's had a sub 4.0 ypc in half his games this year with 2 games under 3.5 ypc. Dolphins have the worst run defense yet take away his 1 big run he had 23 carries for 38 yards (1.6 ypc)

Through 6 games -

3 TDs vs Miami
4.8 YAC vs Minnesota
3.9 YAC vs Detroit
5.2 YAC vs Green Bay
6.1 YAC vs Baltimore

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467 Rush yards and 5 TDs to date. At this rate 856 more rushing yards and 9 more TDs.

Hopefully Sony Henderson plays this Sunday and can do something besides fetch Gatorade for McDaniel's.