A question on my mind virtually every day [Would BB draft Maye]

[One-If-By-Sea]

Bill was great when he had Brady, McDaniels, scar and Ernie. Without them he couldn't do it by himself and everyone else were sycophants .

Right now Patricia is coaching the best college defense in the country. He was hired and is having phenomenal success in an alternate venue because he is a sycophant. Ridiculous.

And he lost it

It happens to all of us. Look at your comment above.

I am glad we got Maye and Vrabel
Dynasty 3.0 here we come.

I agree.

 

[uknepatsfan]

BB is a major reason the Pats had a dynasty, his horrible drafting his last 10 seasons as Patriot’s GM is a major reason the dynasty died. Both can be true.

Absolutely and totally this.

 

[Real fan 02]

Coming out of college Maye needed work. BB was not wrong.

He would have screwed up Maye if there was no Josh.

Agreed RW..

 

[Real fan 02]

Right now Patricia is coaching the best college defense in the country. He was hired and is having phenomenal success in an alternate venue because he is a sycophant. Ridiculous.

It happens to all of us. Look at your comment above.

I agree.

Also, I couldn't agree more with @RobertWeathers' assessment on this. 100% Agree.

I really think we have to understand that roster had eroded to a point where a young maye would have been put in just a bad a situation he was with mayo.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm not putting this in the "arrived" thread b/c it's more of a history thing.

When BB was on the 2024 NFL draft coverage and basically dissing Drake Maye, why was he doing it? Was it because he really didn't think highly of Maye, or was he just p*ssing in Kraft's Wheaties? If they had drafted, say, McCarthy, would he have been as negative?

Let me end with a thought experiment: let's assume that somehow BB had actually gotten one last chance in 2024. What do you think he would've done at QB, especially given the trade offers we know were offered?

He would have tried to get Baker Mayfield in free agency, and if Mayfield re-signed with Tampa Bay he would have traded out of #3 in the hope of getting a QB later, but then been shut out of QB altogether when they flew off the board sooner than expected. Jacoby Brissett would still be the starter, and they would still suck.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Coming out of college Maye needed work. BB was not wrong.

He would have screwed up Maye if there was no Josh.

He would never have screwed up Maye because he never would have taken him.

 

[Thelonious]

If that were true, you would not make the observation. But you knew that already.

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[Ian]

Of course, nobody can get inside Bill's head.

But, I think I know enough about him to have an opinion. He did so much good hard work here, which was rewarded in success and accolades. And I love his genuine presence in the pressers, which included irritation along the way. He's always been kind, patient and accessible to fans, as far as I know, and he really loves coaching.

I think Bill Belichick has the right to be resentful. And he doesn't forget things, for example the "**** you, Tom" to Jackson when he stopped in at ESPN I think it was years after 2003.

He's still tight with Parcells, and they consider themselves to be Giants guys. They both didn't and don't appreciate how Kraft treated them and that's fair. When you throw in Fairbanks (who also coached later in NY for the Generals), it seems like when you pour everything into the Patriots and make them great, you get driven away. Kraft has so much in common with Billy Sullivan it's scary.

Anyway, Bill's one of my all time favorite coaches and I'll take the six titles, even if we should have worn our real logo and uniforms.

I agree, and I do appreciate what he did and absolutely believe he's the greatest coach we've ever seen. People like to do the "without" Brady thing, but any coach in the NFL can't win without a viable QB. When you get a good one, especially one who takes in what you teach him, it's an incredible thing to have, and we were fortunate to see that. Just like Reid never won anything without Mahomes. Prior to that, all his success came with McNabb, and he never won a ring with him, either.

With that in mind, the topic in this thread comes down to whether or not Bill would have thrived with Drake and I don't believe that's the case, not at Bill's age. Bill would have wanted a Bo Nix type of player, not a project like Drake. He was at the end of his career, and I don't think he had the patience to go through what Drake did turnover-wise in 2024.

I think Drake probably would have been under significantly more pressure this season, albeit maybe things would have gone better under Bill O'Brien (had he stuck around), but who knows. Maybe if Josh came back, it's possible Drake would still be on this path and Bill & Josh would have been a good combination.

Either way, I think losing wore on him, and I also don't think he could have rebuilt the line as quickly, which would have only exacerbated the problem with whoever he had back there. But I doubt Maye would have been picked. He probably would have gone with J.J. McCarthy or Nix.

 

[Rob0729]

I think Belichick would have seen the bounty that teams were offering to trade up for the #3 pick and felt it was too good to pass up and that he could develop JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix into a franchise QB. I little doubt he would have traded the pick no matter what he thought of Maye. I also believe he might have gone the Baker Mayfield route as Huckleberry suggested.

As for developing Maye if he drafted him, I don't know if he would have done a good job. If he brought back McDaniels, sure. But he put Mac Jones' crucial second year in the hands of Patricia and Judge. Yes, Belichick defenders, Belichick knew you can't win with Mac Jones (Jones is 5-0 EDIT: 4-1 in San Fran BTW) and that is why he did that. So it is unknown if he could have developed Maye like he is being developed this year.

 

[sb1]

I think Belichick would have seen the bounty that teams were offering to trade up for the #3 pick and felt it was too good to pass up and that he could develop JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix into a franchise QB. I little doubt he would have traded the pick no matter what he thought of Maye. I also believe he might have gone the Baker Mayfield route as Huckleberry suggested.

As for developing Maye if he drafted him, I don't know if he would have done a good job. If he brought back McDaniels, sure. But he put Mac Jones' crucial second year in the hands of Patricia and Judge. Yes, Belichick defenders, Belichick knew you can't win with Mac Jones (Jones is 5-0 in San Fran BTW) and that is why he did that. So it is unknown if he could have developed Maye like he is being developed this year.

Agreed. Belichick's MO is to go for the pro ready QB's and Nix and McCarthy (and Mac Jones at the time) are in that category. I can't see any scenario where he would pick Maye based on what we knew about him.

It's laughable and a little disturbing that the Bill cult has this seething hate for Mac Jones and blame him for literally everything that went wrong in NE in 2021-23...like he didn't draft him in the first place. Lol

 

[Bill Lee]

I think Belichick would have seen the bounty that teams were offering to trade up for the #3 pick and felt it was too good to pass up and that he could develop JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix into a franchise QB. I little doubt he would have traded the pick no matter what he thought of Maye. I also believe he might have gone the Baker Mayfield route as Huckleberry suggested.

Bill loved him some aging NFL QBs. Cam Newton. Vinny Testeverde. Multiple re-signings of Brian Hoyer. So I could totally see Mayfield getting a run at it if Kraft hadn't sent him packing.

As for developing Maye if he drafted him, I don't know if he would have done a good job. If he brought back McDaniels, sure. But he put Mac Jones' crucial second year in the hands of Patricia and Judge. Yes, Belichick defenders, Belichick knew you can't win with Mac Jones (Jones is 5-0 in San Fran BTW) and that is why he did that. So it is unknown if he could have developed Maye like he is being developed this year.

FWIW, Mac is 4-1, he lost to Tampa last week.

 

[scott99]

Before the draft there were several concerns, footwork all over the place, missed reads, accuracy issues, so don't just blame Bill, He is just a completely different player now than when he came out of college.

Actually, I think some of the issues were overplayed. I think he was accurate in college at 64.9%. That’s not inaccurate. There was some issues in his final season in college.

1) New OC (new offense)
2) Oline issue, several got drafted and dealt with and injuries.
3) Lost his best WR to the draft.

If you look at 2022, he had a monster season as a Sophomore. Over 4000 yards passing, 38 TD passes and only 7 INTs. Also had almost 700 yards rushing with 7 rushing TDs. He was the ACC player of the year and ACC Offensive player of the year, all as a 20 year old.

Then ALL of those changes happened, and he didn’t have as good a year as the prior year, still a good year (led the ACC in passing yards), still over 300 yards per game average, and basically had to carry the team.

Not saying he didn’t have fundamental issues, all rookie QBs do. I think they weren’t massive issues. But he worked on them and is playing great football.

 

[Real fan 02]

If we are talking about his tape breakdown of Maye with McAfee, it was incredibly fair. I didn't see any dissing.

I'm just happy we have Drake.. Daniel's and Williams are good players.. but could we we say they are playing at the level Drake is? In my estimation Washington overachiever last season.. Ben Johnson is regarded as an offensive wizard.. does anything about Chicago's offense scare you? Like say the lions?

 

[Bill Lee]

Thank you. The tons of BS coming out about how BB was never any good is nothing short of incredible.

I think you need to re-calibrate.

Pretty much all the media sources admit Bill was a good coach for most of his time here, albeit it was clear he was an ******* on a personal level even going back to his Cleveland days.

As above, one can be good at their job and be an ******* all at the same time.

I worked for four decades in engineering and in that time I've worked with some serious assholes who were really good at what they did.

If you want to question his current college coaching, have at it. But, the revisionist history from haters like Chris Gasper, Tara Sullivan, the morons on WEEI and the Sports Hub are idiotic and unbelievably disrespectful and submissive. Bill Belichick, despite his personality "quirks", is among the greatest coaches, not just in the NFL, but in the history of American sports. Those trashing his accomplishments come off as petty and childish.

That was true for most of his career. After 2019, not at all true.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Getting back to @ctpatsfan77 the OP's original question, here's what Bill actually said:

Here's the AI summary:

Bill Belichick has acknowledged Drake Maye's physical tools, such as his size, arm strength, and athleticism, but has also been critical of his inexperience. Belichick has noted that Maye needs to improve his consistency, read defenses, and develop his throwing mechanics and footwork. While Belichick sees potential in Maye, he has also suggested that the transition from college to the NFL will require time and seasoning for the young quarterback.

I don't read that as sour grapes or anything that he's been accused of lately. I think it was an honest assessment as an analyst. Everything else about who he would have picked for the Pats is speculation.

 

[sb1]

Getting back to OP's original question, here's what Bill actually said:

Here's the AI summary:

I don't read that as sour grapes or anything that he's been accused of lately. I think it was an honest assessment as an analyst.

And that summary is exactly why there's no way Bill takes him if he was still GM. Maye was very raw coming out of college. Bill at his age doesn't have the time or patience for a raw QB even with upside. He would go with the pro ready QB or look to a vet ala Rivers in Indy or Baker in Tampa. Morons would say this is a hater/"h8r" take but it's reality.

 

[mike_usagisan]

And that summary is exactly why there's no way Bill takes him if he was still GM. Maye was very raw coming out of college. Bill at his age doesn't have the time or patience for a raw QB even with upside. He would go with the pro ready QB or look to a vet ala Rivers in Indy or Baker in Tampa. Morons would say this is a hater/"h8r" take but it's reality.

I think that's definitely a possibility. He had just failed with a rookie QB. There's a good chance he wouldn't have wanted to go that route. But he's definitely never come out and said what he was going to do or that he hated Drake Maye or the pick, which is how it's been spun since.

 

[sb1]

I think that's definitely a possibility. He had just failed with a rookie QB. There's a good chance he wouldn't have wanted to go that route. But he's definitely never come out and said what he was going to do or that he hated Drake Maye or the pick, which is how it's been spun since.

It's interesting that he didn't think much of Josh Allen either at first. I remember reading that he scoffed at Allen being in the MVP conversation before a MNF game in 2020.

 

[Pape]

It's interesting that he didn't think much of Josh Allen either at first. I remember reading that he scoffed at Allen being in the MVP conversation before a MNF game in 2020.

after his first season, either did I ... took Allen a while to get moving in the right direction

 

[Rob0729]

Bill loved him some aging NFL QBs. Cam Newton. Vinny Testeverde. Multiple re-signings of Brian Hoyer. So I could totally see Mayfield getting a run at it if Kraft hadn't sent him packing.



FWIW, Mac is 4-1, he lost to Tampa last week.

Belichick supposedly loved Mayfield when he was drafted. Mayfield wasn't originally supposed to go #1 overall and many people believed he would have fallen to the Patriots' draft range or close enough for the Patriots to trade up. So it makes sense he would go after Mayfield. But I don't know if Mayfield would have the resurgence he is having now.

And I forgot the 49ers lost to Tampa.