PostGame Thread OFFICIAL POSTGAME THREAD: Patriots Beat Saints 25-19

[mike_usagisan]

I have to say it's nice to be watching games and not feel amazed at our own ineptitude.

It feels like we're an improved run game and middle defense (a linebacker and a safety) away from a really scary team.

 

[sb1]

You must be a really really happy person in life, being so commonly wrong.

About what?

 

[sb1]

FreeTedWilliams, Sam, and The Captain are examples of general purpose haters. They are not Drake Maye haters, they hate most everything. They might post something about Drake that appears negative but that is how they post, not Drake specific hate.

They're not haters at all.

 

[Triumph]

Much respect & credit to Coach Marrone. Amazing work thus far.

Marrone is flying under the radar.

My type of coach looking all disheveled along the sidelines, but, could really give a F because he is focused on putting out a fire.

 

[Family]

Tannehill was not the issue. Ask any Titans fan. The defenses were holding them back. For a defensive coach, Vrabel historically and currently wins on offense and has questionable defenses.

Is this serious?

Look at the AFC Super Bowl QB's while Vrabel was in Tennessee. Brady/ Mahomes/Burrow. Allen doesn't even get an invite.

Where does Tannehill stack up to them?

You would need the 85 Bears defense to have a chance.

 

[Triumph]

FreeTedWilliams, Sam, and The Captain are examples of general purpose haters. They are not Drake Maye haters, they hate most everything. They might post something about Drake that appears negative but that is how they post, not Drake specific hate.

 

[Triumph]

 

[upstater1]

If New England had lost that criminally officiated game I'd be apoplectic. When that bomb to Diggs was nullified by yet another bogus call I cursed so loud my wife left the room and didn't come back.

To add insult to injury, they went right back to Hollins in the same area right after the Diggs OPI, and he would have had that if only the defender hadn't committed a DPI, which was uncalled.

My antennae go up when I see the entirety of yesterday's calls, the lateness of the first call, the focus on Diggs in particular. This smells like an NFL front office thing.

I'd love to know who threw the flag on the disallowed TD. Did any field ref throw a flag?

 

[Brady to Maye]

Three a in row. Oh, what a feeling !!!

They have matched the total of wins from last year already.

 

[upstater1]

I definitely do DD. This has rounded into a much better wr corp than we have had in years.. yes even Vrabel and the coaches were saying how they are thin on the edges. Landry anc Chaisson are definitely dealing with something.. they have been good all year much better than what they showed yesterday. Yes rattler was to comfortable.. milt is dealing with something as well. This front 7 ia far talented to just allow a qb the time they did yesterday. This has to be a point of emphasizing this week.

What they're dealing with is that the edges are poor in the running game. Against a team with a very good OL and a RB like Kamara, they are hesitant because they know they cant set the edge. This also takes away from their pass rush because the Saints frequently use option. If it were me, I'd only have one of the two on the field at the same time and I'd prioritize setting the edge.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Nope. He's been very good in pass protection and solid in run blocking. Not his fault he's got Bradbury who can't run block and Moses who obviously isn't in his prime anymore on either side of him

Two of yesterdays run stuffs were a direct result of Onwenu totally wiffing on his man.

 

[Real fan 02]

What they're dealing with is that the edges are poor in the running game. Against a team with a very good OL and a RB like Kamara, they are hesitant because they know they cant set the edge. This also takes away from their pass rush because the Saints frequently use option. If it were me, I'd only have one of the two on the field at the same time and I'd prioritize setting the edge.

Yes, Saints offense is similarly to what Miami runs.. Tua has given us problems with the read options. Tua and rattler are essentially the same type of QB.

 

[lancerman]

Vrabel's TN scoring D's ranked 3rd, 13th, 25th, 6th, 14th and 16th. So two very good years, one poor one and 3 middle of the pack. The offenses in TN were the weaker link. OFC the weakest link in TN was John Robinson and Miss Amy. Robinson got the gate in favor of the disastrous Ran Carthon. Miss Amy continues to drive Titans fans to despair, can't fire the owner

The issue is the years where they were successful were the 2nd, 3rd and 4th year. Only the 4th was really good. The other two were mediocre to bad. So most of that run really wasn’t on the defense. It was Brown and Henry being studs and Tanny having his peak years at the head of the ship.

I agree with you that the owner screwed things up and were the main problem. But my point is, when people were high on the Titans, it was more about the offense. The best defense they had was a year they didn’t make the playoffs. The worst defense they had, they did make the playoffs. The only year they won playoff games was when the QB led the league in passer rating

Is this serious?

Look at the AFC Super Bowl QB's while Vrabel was in Tennessee. Brady/ Mahomes/Burrow. Allen doesn't even get an invite.

Where does Tannehill stack up to them?

You would need the 85 Bears defense to have a chance.

You don’t need the 85 Bears to do well with a QB who had a 117 and 106 passer rating in their first two seasons with Vrabel.

99% of this is people who only watched him in Miami and didn’t watch Titans.

The Titans with Vrabel were good from 2019-2021.

2019: led the league in passer rating. Was 2nd in TD’s (despite missing some decent time), 3rd in completion percentage, top 3 lowest INT’s for starters.

Defense this year was outside the top 10 in ppg at 11

2020: top 5 in passer rating, top 8 in TD, was in the 10 again for least interceptions, top 4 QBR

Defense this year was 24th in ppg

2021: here was where you saw slippage. He was pretty much dead average that year. Either slightly above the league average or slightly below in most stats.

Defense was 6th in ppg.



Those were the 3 years people were high on Vrabel’s Titans. Far cry from being the 85 Bears.

You know when they started losing and Vrabel ultimately lost his job? When Tannehill had his ankle injury the last two years where he was missing games and ultimately forced to retire.

No Titans fan would agree that Tannehill was the problem for those teams unless you explicitly mean the industry. If the 2020 team even had a respectable defense they were a SB threat.

Again I’m convinced people just remember him on the Dolphins and barely watched those Titans games. That time in Tennessee was viewed as a black mark in Miami because Tannehill was having a renaissance and the Dolphins were getting lit up in the media for misusing him. Was he one of the the all time elite QB’s like Mahomes/Brady/Rodgers and later Jackson and Allen? No. But he was an asset to that team when they were winning

 

[patchick]

Give it up to Stefon Diggs; he has been so instrumental in K Boutte's development. Boutte have 300yds already in just Six Games: he looks primed for a Big year. Drake Maye really trust him: the last Two WR's Drafted by BB is doing quite well for themselves. Who said BB can't Draft WR's?? Guilty *Left Hand up*.

For all we marvel at Maye’s youth, Boutte is the same age. Funny how he’s often regarded as the workmanlike vet.

 

[Uptown]

Improve the run game & pass rush, we can the Super Bowl….this year.

 

[Family]

The only thing that counts is playoffs if you're focusing on disappointment for that team.

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150 yds per game............ 7 TD's 5 Int..................... 85.2 passing rating....................

 

[Triumph]

The Saints were really never out of it with the exception of approximately 7 minutes in the 3rd quarter when NE went up by 9.

I feared the Saints scoring a late TD and winning 26 - 25.

Pats need another RB and 11 penalties are way too much for the 6th game. Yes, some of those calls were a joke, but they happen to all teams.

 

[PatsFan2]

Improve the run game & pass rush, we can the Super Bowl….this year.

We know the Road to the SB is going through that Team... Kermit and company. After Them! the AFC is wide open anything can happen.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Kindof surprised there's not more talk about Chism's debut with 5 returns for 129 yards - averaging nearly 26 yards per return

So much for the

To add insult to injury, they went right back to Hollins in the same area right after the Diggs OPI, and he would have had that if only the defender hadn't committed a DPI, which was uncalled.

My antennae go up when I see the entirety of yesterday's calls, the lateness of the first call, the focus on Diggs in particular. This smells like an NFL front office thing.

I'd love to know who threw the flag on the disallowed TD. Did any field ref throw a flag?

I'm going to disagree, they aren't biased just incompetent. That same crew covered the Eagles-Broncos game and were just as bad. Late in the game on a 4th down, an Eagles receiver got mugged and draped by a DB who never let go and it wasn't called. Would have put the Eagles deep in Den territory and win the game. So essentially it cost Philly the game. Go to 5:27 mark for video