The McDaniels Effect... Passing Numbers up across the board

[mgteich]

I actually think that Josh learned quite a bit from the mistake of over-using Welker and Moss in 2007 though.

With nearly every throw going to one of them, by the time we got to the SB there was little surprise involved in the offense.

I see him spreading the field in a big way now - the benefit of which is, when you need those yards for a first down, you're not limited to two double teamed players like Moss and Welker in a big moment.

Tough to blame Josh even for that after enduring 2006 where he only had Reche Caldwell, but I think today even if he had clones of Moss and Welker, it would be much more spread than in those seasons.

2006 was actually a pretty big accomplishment for Josh with that set of WRs and had they not choked against the Colts, might have even won the SB against Chicago that year. Credit to him for getting Maye in the habit of spreading the field and not relying on a binky or two.

LOL
You think that Josh overused Moss and Welker in the 2007 season. We had two 98+ reception leaders: Moss and Welker.

I guess you think that he should have spread it around more. Maybe then, we wouldn't have suffered the SB loss. Of course, we wouldn't have been there at all, certainly not as an undefeated team. After all, targeting Stallworth and Gaffney more would have made us better. NOT

 

[n1997y]

LOL - You would think this place has learned a thing about giving credit to a coach for the QB's work but I guess not.

SMH.

You’d think posters here would’ve learned it’s not just the QB. It takes the OL, RBs picking up rushers, WRs being in the right place.

You know who ties all those together?

The Offensive Coordinator. The OC. The guy we are talking about in this thread. He deserves credit.

Also too often posters on here act like giving credit to one person means not giving credit to anyone else. It’s not like that. The team is only as strong as the weakest link. Think of giving credit as saying that link is strong. It says nothing about the other links. It doesn’t mean you’re saying that’s the only strong link. It doesn’t mean you’re saying any other link is weak. It just means the one you are talking about is worthy of praise. As others might also be.

 

[Toofy]

Agreed, AVP wasn't the problem and he could be a decent OC if he gets another shot. But the coaching operation as a whole was a D at best, too many of them were rookies at it. Night and day to this year.

You are being kind.. coaching was a D- / F with springer saving them the blushes .

 

[PatsFan2]

Agreed, AVP wasn't the problem and he could be a decent OC if he gets another shot. But the coaching operation as a whole was a D at best, too many of them were rookies at it. Night and day to this year.

In an alternate universe.

 

[Pape]

Agreed, AVP wasn't the problem and he could be a decent OC if he gets another shot. But the coaching operation as a whole was a D at best, too many of them were rookies at it. Night and day to this year.

AVP was a problem because while he had held the defacto OC position, he had limited to no experience calling an offense... once the script was run through, there was nothing the back it up... it became untenable because Mayo had nothing to offer...

 

[ahmed]

SMH.

You’d think posters here would’ve learned it’s not just the QB. It takes the OL, RBs picking up rushers, WRs being in the right place.

You know who ties all those together?

The Offensive Coordinator. The OC. The guy we are talking about in this thread. He deserves credit.

Also too often posters on here act like giving credit to one person means not giving credit to anyone else. It’s not like that. The team is only as strong as the weakest link. Think of giving credit as saying that link is strong. It says nothing about the other links. It doesn’t mean you’re saying that’s the only strong link. It doesn’t mean you’re saying any other link is weak. It just means the one you are talking about is worthy of praise. As others might also be.

The NFL is all about the QB because that is the way it is set up. Everybody else is just a supporting character.

 

[n1997y]

The NFL is all about the QB because that is the way it is set up. Everybody else is just a supporting character.

No. it’s because most people don’t look beyond the spotlight to know what it really takes.

 

[Pape]

No. it’s because most people don’t look beyond the spotlight to know what it really takes.

eh, its not what their lord and master Felger says, so it can't be true... so stop trying to make sense, its just not going to fly!

 

[ahmed]

No. it’s because most people don’t look beyond the spotlight to know what it really takes.

Nah - there is a reason that Brady left and we go to ****. We draft a good QB and things start to look up.

Not saying coaching and other players are not important. It is saying that none of them matter if QB is crap. There is no other position in sports that would kill an entire team just because its player is bad.

 

[Pape]

Nah - there is a reason that Brady left and we go to ****. We draft a good QB and things start to look up.

Not saying coaching and other players are not important. It is saying that none of them matter if QB is crap. There is no other position in sports that would kill an entire team just because its player is bad.

I don't get the persistent need to spew the whole TB/BB thing in nearly every thread. Its five ****ing years gone by now. Let it go or GTFO.

Here's the door - i think you will be much happier if you spent your time there

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[mgteich]

Nah - there is a reason that Brady left and we go to ****. We draft a good QB and things start to look up.

Not saying coaching and other players are not important. It is saying that none of them matter if QB is crap. There is no other position in sports that would kill an entire team just because its player is bad.

Coaching isn't important. ROFL

We drafted a young mediocre QB in 2021. With Josh, we were in the playoffs.

In 2022, Josh was gone. Since coaching doesn't matter, I won't bother noting who replaced Josh.

And the rest is history.
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And yes, Josh would have had to work very hard to improve the 2021 QB in order to be in the playoffs again. Of course, in addition, the management would have needed to be much better in acquiring talent. Of course, for so many posters, our WR's were good enough to be in the playoffs again, NOT).

 

[JoeSixPat]

LOL
You think that Josh overused Moss and Welker in the 2007 season. We had two 98+ reception leaders: Moss and Welker.

I guess you think that he should have spread it around more. Maybe then, we wouldn't have suffered the SB loss. Of course, we wouldn't have been there at all, certainly not as an undefeated team. After all, targeting Stallworth and Gaffney more would have made us better. NOT

Yup - my concern late in the season was that the offense was completely predictable and this could catch up with them in the playoffs if not before. They had pretty much relegated Stallworth and everyone else to just fill the spots. Nearly every pass was to what increasingly become a double and even triple teamed Welker or Moss, with no fear from the D that Brady would throw it anywhere else.

The near loss to the Giants at the end of the season should have been an even bigger wake up call.

People get lost in the stats - yes Moss and Welker could combine for nearly 200 yards - but when you absolutely need that first down, you need to look to the open guys - and Josh/Brady weren't really interested in that, preferring to throw into a big crowd over throwing to the open guy.

Some will assert that Josh is exactly the same today and really would NOT prefer to spread it and only wants to have one or two featured receivers just like 2007.

I don't think they are paying attention. Josh is NOT focused on just one or two receivers now. He's making sure Maye spreads the field and that pays dividends when he needs to find an open guy for a first down.

 

[FoxboroFan23]

I don't believe Josh is intentionally spreading the ball around. Diggs and Henry are going to end up with a significant amount more targets than anyone else.

Diggs 34
Henry 28
Boutte 18
Henderson 16
Douglas 16
Stevenson 14
Hollins 9
Hooper 8

I anticipate Diggs and Henry continue receiving more targets than the other receivers

 

[Pape]

I don't believe Josh is intentionally spreading the ball around. Diggs and Henry are going to end up with a significant amount more targets than anyone else.

Diggs 34
Henry 28
Boutte 18
Henderson 16
Douglas 16
Stevenson 14
Hollins 9
Hooper 8

I anticipate Diggs and Henry continue receiving more targets than the other receivers

QBs have their favorite targets, no doubt... It will never be equal all around, but the distribution bell curve should flatten out a bit the more comfortable Maye gets with his reads...

 

[ahmed]

I don't get the persistent need to spew the whole TB/BB thing in nearly every thread. Its five ****ing years gone by now. Let it go or GTFO.

Here's the door - i think you will be much happier if you spent your time there

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What is your problem? What I said had nothing to do with Brady and Bill.

 

[Pape]

What is your problem? What I said had nothing to do with Brady and Bill.

it had everything to do with it. that is my problem. I, and i am sure others here, are tired of hearing about it.

 

[ahmed]

it had everything to do with it. that is my problem. I, and i am sure others here, are tired of hearing about it.

No, you are making **** up. Tell me how many franchises have long term sustained success without a great QB?

 

[Pape]

No, you are making **** up. Tell me how many franchises have long term sustained success without a great QB?

making **** up?

LOL - You would think this place has learned a thing about giving credit to a coach for the QB's work but I guess not.

The NFL is all about the QB because that is the way it is set up. Everybody else is just a supporting character.

Didn't make anything up. There you are - Leaning right into it. one ****ing trick pony.

 

[Toofy]

The Atlanta Superbowl was where we really spread the ball well..

Hogan , amendola, gronk, edelman and Mitchell and burkhead and white .

Need to get back to that

 

[ahmed]

making **** up?





Didn't make anything up. There you are - Leaning right into it. one ****ing trick pony.

What point do you think you are making? I said the league a QB driven league where a team is nothing without one.

How is that not factual? What does that have to do with Bill and Brady?