NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION Week 5 Other Games - Thursday Night Football Edition

[n1997y]

We've seen Brady get beat up a whole lot worse and did not see any of the histrionics the 49ers displayed with Mac on the sideline last night. To top it all off, the way Herbstreit was commentating about him, you would think Mac was playing with one leg and one arm.

Face it, the way Mac looked at times on the bench and on the field didn’t make that commentary seem totally wrong

 

[n1997y]

Worst situation is perpetual purgatory, over-paying for mediocrity. Lot of teams in that situation.

There is one thing even worse: the NFL version of the affliction called gangrene, spelled “Gang Green” in the football world.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Another thing that's possible to be true is that greatness as a coach is not a straight line. It can have peaks, valleys, and sometimes, cliffs.

Let me reiterate... Belichick pushed this team to unprecedented, unparalleled successes when it had no right to continue. The second group of three is a unique masterpiece of team building and gameplanning. The fact we came close on three other Super Bowls is just astonishing.

He is a first ballot, and to me, no waiting list, Hall of Famer. Canton and Foxboro. He should have a statue somewhere on the sidelines. If they ever renamed the Lombardi, it should be after him. I don't think enough praise can be given to the job he did.

His longevity was astounding. Consider Madden was retired and done for good at age 42. Cowher, retired and done for good at age 49. Guys like McVay and Shanahan publicly talking about retiring before they even turn 40. Even when you look at guys with long careers with one team, they usually had Super Bowl cutoffs. Most notably, you have Don Shula, who won two Super Bowls with Miami in 25 years. But none from 1974-1995.

Based on this, you have to say that Belichick OVERALL was the greatest head coach in the history of the league.

Yet, despite admitting to ALL OF THIS GREATNESS, I will still probably be called a 'hater' when I point out that towards the last few years of coaching in New England, his decision-making faltered, and he lost the desire to push himself when it came time to actually deal with any human. And unfortunately, being a HEAD COACH is more than just Xs and Os. You have to keep innovating, and challenging yourself with coaches and players outside your comfort zone.

And just like Don Shula in his last few years with the Dolphins, his coaching staff and players were all guys he liked or was related to. This sort of thing happens to the great ones, just like it happens to the rest of us.

Maybe that's why people defend even his obviously questionable decisions in later years. Admitting that heroes grow old is not one of those things we're comfortable doing.

 

[signbabybrady]

I can't speak to the overall history of PatsFans, but guys here complained about Bill while they were hanging banners. Guys complain about Cora, guys complain Neely and Sweeney (rightfully so) and guys complain about Mazulla. You can be a fan of a franchise and complain about coach/manager. The two are not mutually exclusive.

If that's all you see going on then we see things differently

 

[signbabybrady]

Steelers fans complaining about Tomlin and wanting him fired is a time honored tradition in Pittsburgh.

You've stated you think Tomlin is better than Bill lol

 

[condon84]

Face it, the way Mac looked at times on the bench and on the field didn’t make that commentary seem totally wrong

He didn't have any physical limitations when he was on the field. His arm looked fine throwing, he had a sprintout throw that resulted in their last TD.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

agreed, he is a Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, Chad Pennington. Low ceiling, high floor, we just ruined the floor somehow

um fat matt?

 

[sb1]

Trigger alert for Wussy and the rest of the cult…

 

[Jim Beankie]

Here we see an absolute clinic on cultism. Point out a clear example of how Bill failed to do what Shanahan has done, get Mac Jones to perform as an adequate NFL starter via professional-level coaching and the use of talented skill players and adequate linemen around him. Instead of discussing Bill's failure to develop Mac, there is an attempt at diversion by using ad-hominem attacks.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but BB got Mac to a Pro Bowl* - that's pretty darn adequate. What happened after that though... oh man... We all watched that horror show. Really have to wonder if Hudson completely mucked up his brain. Timing looks about right for that.

 

[sb1]

I don't have a dog in the fight, but BB got Mac to a Pro Bowl* - that's pretty darn adequate. What happened after that though... oh man... We all watched that horror show. Really have to wonder if Hudson completely mucked up his brain. Timing looks about right for that.

She has been dating him since 2021. I wouldn’t count it out.

 

[sb1]

More like the post-Brady Belichick stink.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

It was possibly age-related but not necessarily. For one thing, a run of 20 years was unprecedented but it had to end, and those endings don't last just a couple of years. They had lost their best coaches, scouts, front office staff, and trusted contacts. The best players broke down or moved on, the egos of BB-TB-RK went in different directions, and luck ran out. When multiple factors like these occur in tandem, some of it out of BB's control, it's over. Suddenly none of his moves were working out. Nobody can push every correct button and have lady luck by his side forever. It's still amazing to me that they squeezed out #6 and went 12-4 the next year before flaming out to the Titans and Brady bolting.

 

[sb1]

So now the Belichick cult thinks Nick Saban is a Bill h8r too lmao

 

[n1997y]

He didn't have any physical limitations when he was on the field. His arm looked fine throwing, he had a sprintout throw that resulted in their last TD.

You must’ve missed the TV showing him limping to the huddle after a big gain. Announcers were talking about it but the video clearly showed they weren’t exaggerating.

 

[libra957]

We all know things went downhill quick when Mac lost his offensive coordinator. After his first season Mac wasn't well supported.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

And just like Don Shula in his last few years with the Dolphins, his coaching staff and players were all guys he liked or was related to. This sort of thing happens to the great ones, just like it happens to the rest of us.

I just want to reiterate here that he didn't hand Stephen and Brian plum positions; they worked their way up through the ranks the same way Josh McDaniels did, and I didn't see anything that suggested they were problems here. [Even Stephen's "I don't know what the F I'm doing right now" was his being honest that he was a first-time position coach, so he didn't have all the answers.]

 

[BennyBledsoe]

I just want to reiterate here that he didn't hand Stephen and Brian plum positions; they worked their way up through the ranks the same way Josh McDaniels did, and I didn't see anything that suggested they were problems here. [Even Stephen's "I don't know what the F I'm doing right now" was his being honest that he was a first-time position coach, so he didn't have all the answers.]

Fair enough, as I wasn't clear. This isn't about competency of those he was related to, it was more an extension of not wanting to get new coaches in who would challenge him.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

he just had to “Go west my son”

 

[Thelonious]

That explains a lot

I also ran an off-grid sheep farm for ten years and did tree work for many years, so you might want to avoid the usual "perfesser" stereotypes, but whatever floats that little dinghy of yours is fine by me.

 

[signbabybrady]

I also ran an off-grid sheep farm for ten years and did tree work for many years, so you might want to avoid the usual "perfesser" stereotypes, but whatever floats that little dinghy of yours is fine by me.

That explains it even more