The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[signbabybrady]

Why do you HATE!!!!! Coach Belilichick so much?????

You said "he's a great coach!" No, he isn't a " great coach," he's the greatest coach ever, of all time, to infinity.

You said " he's damaging his legacy," which is total ********. His legacy is on hold until he starts winning again, which he will, and he will win every game ever, for all time, to infinity. And the records from the years from 2019-20.. will spontaneously ignite and burn Gillette Stadium down to the ground.

You said" he has no one," lies lies and more lies. He has Bunny, and she loves Coach Bill forever, for all time, to infinity. And Bunny would love him even if he were dirty, smelly, and penniless. Even if just to hear dirty, smelly, penniless Coach Bill regale her with stories of Ohio prisons, and all that went on in them.

And you said you " pity him." Yeah right! I'll bet right now Bill is on all fours all leashed up with a spiked collar and a bowl of kibble for if he's a good little doggy. You know you would kill everyone you love to be on that leash right now,

So don't ever hate on Coach Bill again. You must love him forever, for all time, to infinity!

 

[captain stone]

Jon Gruden's wife pregame

Jon Gruden's wife? I ****ed her. Oh!

 

[captain stone]

Amidst all the senseless back and forth happening in this thread, this is outright moronic.

The record says otherwise.

 

[h0c2000]

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article312209870.html

Sounds like North Carolinians aren't fond of kool-aid.

 

[Tunescribe]

The record says otherwise.

Context tells you everything. Was 11-5 in 1994 a "failure"? How about 11-5 in 2008, or 10-7 in 2021? Were those "failures"?

Belichick was instrumental in molding Brady, the evidence is there including Brady's own testimony. The two were inextricably linked. Remove a star quarterback from any NFL head coach down through the decades and you can make a similar argument against the coach's success level. Damning BB as a "failure" minus Brady is just simplistic and stupid.

If you want to dump on BB's shortcomings, his late-tenure drafts and many GM moves are fair game. But by any objective measure, he was one of the pro game's all-time great coaches.

 

[lancerman]

In 1996 Sugar Ray Leonard had come out of retirement at 40 years old to fight a 35 year old Hector Camacho. The fight was stopped by TKO in round 5. Sugar looked old, tired and had been struggling with his vision due to a lingering issue with a detached retina. I watched that fight and was just sad, it actually upset me to see him take that beating. I considered Leonard one of the best fighters of his generation with career record of 36-3. He was getting worked over by a fighter that would never be close to as good as Leonard in their primes. Had that fight took place 8 years earlier Camacho does not get out of round 3. It was a fight that shouldn't have happened and its a blemish that shouldn't have been on his career. But yet the race horse still wants to run the race when the body cant. This is Belichick today, a great coach that the game has passed by along with the youth. All he is doing now is damage his legacy. If he truly had someone that cared about him they would say it was time to move on and that his accomplishments will forever place him in the conversations regarding the best coaches. Today I don't feel anything for him but pity.

Happens to a lot of great fighters. Ali vs Holmes. Marciano vs Louis. Both those guys never should have fought a top level guy at that point in their lives.

 

[Bill Lee]

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article312209870.html

Sounds like North Carolinians aren't fond of kool-aid.

Sure to trigger the Cult of Bill:

Belichick is embarrassing only himself, a first-ballot Tarnishing Your Legacy hall-of-famer. His choice. At least it pays well. But the power brokers are embarrassing not only themselves but all of us — not just fans or graduates of UNC, but all North Carolina taxpayers.

They’ve taken the “flagship” university — quotes attributed to Tom O’Brien — of the state, a once-proud model of a modern public university, and made it a laughingstock. Start with the hubris of the “33rd NFL team” nonsense, which created an entire hot-take industry of people rooting for this endeavor to fail. Then take the antics of Belichick and Jordon Hudson, with every moment that goes viral for the wrong reasons. And finally, throw in the football team. People aren’t just laughing at all of that. They’re laughing at the University of North Carolina, an institution apparently dumb enough to get dragged into this.

After the scandals of the 2010s and the debunking of the myth of the Carolina Way, did we really need to further debase an institution of higher learning that should purportedly benefit all the citizens of the state in a feckless pursuit of football glory that always seemed doomed to fail anyway?

Another h8r caught in the wild...

 

[lancerman]

UNC football's first season with Bill Belichick as head coach shouldn't concern you

Bill Belichick started with losing records in both NFL head-coaching stops. UNC fans shouldn't panic about Belichick's 2-2 start in Chapel Hill.

tarheelswire.usatoday.com

The author is talking like Bill isn't 73 and really has several years to build the program. Also feelingz. Lol

"North Carolina general manager Mike Lombardi somehow spent eight figures on a roster full of 70 new players that looks ripe to compete for a conference title … in Conference USA. Like Butch Davis and John Blake, Belichick’s biggest mistake may have been trusting Lombardi."

Bringing in a sycophant like Lombardi was probably the most predicative decisions in how this would turn out.

 

[Bill Lee]

"North Carolina general manager Mike Lombardi somehow spent eight figures on a roster full of 70 new players that looks ripe to compete for a conference title … in Conference USA. Like Butch Davis and John Blake, Belichick’s biggest mistake may have been trusting Lombardi."

Bringing in a sycophant like Lombardi was probably the most predicative decisions in how this would turn out.

It wouldn't surprise me if Bill is the puppet and Lombardi holds the strings.

As far as we can tell Lombardi has kicked around the NFL for a long time without making the big money. He's basically a go-fer for Bill Walsh and Al Davis and Bill at CLE, then he kicks around doing various consulting and low-paying podcast gigs. He gets in tight with Bill, first for a consulting gig, then later when Bill is fired by the Patriots they start doing media together. Mike sizes him up and sees Bill has lost his fastball and sees he can steer him into taking one last coaching gig. UNC is desperate enough to buy the 33rd NFL team hype and the deal is done. Mike clears $1.5M a year, probably the best paying gig he's ever had.

Mike gets one last meal ticket, and if there's one thing we know, Mike can't pass up a good meal. If the cost of that is Bill's legacy, that's just collateral damage.

 

[signbabybrady]

It wouldn't surprise me if Bill is the puppet and Lombardi holds the strings.

As far as we can tell Lombardi has kicked around the NFL for a long time without making the big money. He's basically a go-fer for Bill Walsh and Al Davis and Bill at CLE, then he kicks around doing various consulting and low-paying podcast gigs. He gets in tight with Bill, first for a consulting gig, then later when Bill is fired by the Patriots they start doing media together. Mike sizes him up and sees Bill has lost his fastball and sees he can steer him into taking one last coaching gig. UNC is desperate enough to buy the 33rd NFL team hype and the deal is done. Mike clears $1.5M a year, probably the best paying gig he's ever had.

Mike gets one last meal ticket, and if there's one thing we know, Mike can't pass up a good meal. If the cost of that is Bill's legacy, that's just collateral damage.

You guys really never stop making stuff up

 

[h0c2000]

Another departure.

 

[XLIX]

Another departure.

Belichick can no longer bully his own players since they can literally just walk out on him and become UFAs for next season.

It’s hilarious how college players have far, far more rights than NFL players.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Hate to say it and I feel bad speculating about something like this, but it looks to me like Bill is just going senile. I see some signs of paranoia too with how he refuses to hire new coaches and all that. Even the Patricia as OC thing that he seemingly wanted to stick with. It feels like as he aged his circle of trust shrunk as everyone retired/moved on to their own jobs and he's either too socially awkward, too stuck in his ways or just too paranoid to let anyone else in. We can debate roster moves or how he treated players, but the overarching theme of his final failures here, IMO, was the way he retreated into himself and seemingly shut everyone else out. He always had the proverbial "final say" but he also empowered a lot of good scouts/coaches over the years too and had a real support group backing him. Maybe part of it is the guys he got surrounded with aren't good, but clearly he bred an environment of dysfunction with how he ignored all of them and tried to do it all himself to poor results. Even in his "prime" years here, while the media propped him up as the sole decision maker, it was always a collaborative process where he seriously considered input from others.

The girlfriend stuff makes me think this isn't just professional paranoia/stubbornness but that, unfortunately, he might be losing some mental capacity in general. Which is sad to see. Debate specific decisions all you want, but quite frankly it's baffling to me how ANYONE on this message board or as a Pats fan in general doesn't have an overwhelming affinity for BB and all he did here. Not saying he was perfect and certainly ended badly but a Patriots fan message board should be worshipping the ground he walks on. The fact that this thread is filled with criticism of him, even if valid, is why everyone says Boston fans are miserable and impossible to please and not a good fan base to play for unless you're on top.

 

[1960Pats]

Amidst all the senseless back and forth happening in this thread, this is outright moronic.

How is that moronic? Bill's record without Tom is poor. You may not like it but the difference is startling.

 

[1960Pats]

Belichick can no longer bully his own players since they can literally just walk out on him and become UFAs for next season.

It’s hilarious how college players have far, far more rights than NFL players.

The college players aren't in a union. Could that be a reason?

 

[h0c2000]

 

[lancerman]

The problem for UNC at this point is they weren't a bad team when Belichick took over. They were basically a middle of the pack .500 team with some up seasons. Their last HC had the most wins in program history.

This isn't him taking a dumpsterfire over where fans there have to temper their expectations. They had a solid enough baseline, they had SEC aspirations, Belichick was meant to take a decent team and take them over the top to the next level. They got a ton of money and got to bring on 70 players that they picked.

There's no reason to really tolerate a ****show season. This isn't a "he needs time" situation. He was supposed to set them up with a high level foundation in 2-3 years so that they had everything they needed for the future. Having this mess wasn't really in the cards.

 

[1960Pats]

Anyone know how Bill met Jordan?

 

[h0c2000]

Anyone know how Bill met Jordan?

 

[XLIX]

The college players aren't in a union. Could that be a reason?

Yes and because they aren’t in a union, they don’t actually get playing contracts. They get paid to go to whatever university (sometimes by the university, sometimes by the boosters, sometimes by the local car dealership) but it’s all “here ya go” payments. There’s no contractual mechanism of enforcement

If I were advising the players, I’d advise them NOT to unionize. Management - aka the schools - will force collective bargaining down their throats and they will lose all sorts of rights.