The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[signbabybrady]

In all of my 39-years on this planet, i've never seen anything sadder than a grown man spending his free time by writing thousands of posts fervently, religiously defending a 73-year millionaire that has never heard of him and will never hear of him.

You have limited time that you've been blessed with in this life, go spend it with your family, your friends, your hobbies, hell, put some music on and go take a walk, it'll do you a lot more good instead of waging a mindless crusade to save the honor of someone who doesn't know you from Adam.

I'm not writing this out of spite, on the contrary, out of empathy. You will gain nothing by continuing this crusade, only waste valuable time much better spent elsewhere. I doubt this post will change your mind, but i still felt i had to write it.

Football is my favorite hobby. And right now I'm at the park walking my dog listening to music while I respond to you. L i v i n. Beautiful day.

 

[sb1]

Then you admit that Bill misevaluated Mac Jones as a quarterback prospect.

Oh no drafting then screwing up Mac Jones not Bill's fault. It's some collaboration I totally made up that was the real GM of the team all this time, blame them.

I can't admit when Dear Leader makes a mistake cause then I'd be a hater. Or something.

 

[signbabybrady]

I saw this earlier (somewhat NSFW) and it made me think of the cult of BB:

So you do agree BB is a God

 

[203Pat]

Oh no drafting then screwing up Mac Jones not Bill's fault. It's some collaboration I totally made up that was the real GM of the team all this time, blame them.

I can't admit when Dear Leader makes a mistake cause then I'd be a hater. Or something.

He also stops responding once he is backed into a corner. Can't blame him though as he's the last man on the battlefield now that Woozy went AWOL.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Oh no drafting then screwing up Mac Jones not Bill's fault. It's some collaboration I totally made up that was the real GM of the team all this time, blame them.

I can't admit when Dear Leader makes a mistake cause then I'd be a hater. Or something.

That indeed seems to be the case - i.e. after Caserio left for the Texans BB agreed to a more collaborative approach to drafting - no doubt in part to pressure from ownership

I'd say even within that there was an acknowledgment that maybe Bill's drafting wasn't as good as his coaching, but in any event, all seem to acknowledge that Mac Jones wasn't BB's preferred QB (that goes to Davis Mills, current Texans backup - taken by Caserio)

At the time we all seemed to feel like there was an agreement with the Krafts that if Jones was there at 15 they'd take him

We can question a lot of Bill's draft picks but unfair to saddle him with the choice of Jones

Belichick Wanted Another Quarterback Over Mac Jones in Patriots' 2021 NFL Draft?

According to a recent report, the pairing of former New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Mac Jones was essentially doomed from the start.

www.si.com

 

[Bill Lee]

So you do agree BB is a God

Guessed you missed the last line.

Critical thinking.

Try it some time, if you can.

 

[signbabybrady]

He also stops responding once he is backed into a corner. Can't blame him though as he's the last man on the battlefield now that Woozy went AWOL.

What didn't I respond to? I would have thought if anything my problem is I respond to too much of it.

 

[jmt57]

Congratulations to all the intrepid participants of this thread.

200,000+ views, 23 pages of illustrious literacy and commentary.

 

[203Pat]

What didn't I respond to? I would have thought if anything my problem is I respond to too much of it.

You said the succession plan was Jimmy Garoppolo but Brady played far outplayed it. So Bill wasn't able to properly assess/predict Brady's skills at that time. You also said Bill didn't think Brady would walk. He misevaluated again. Then you said he tried again with Stidham and others and they weren't good enough. So another misfire from Bill when it comes to quarterback. Then you said he got a shot with Mac Jones which obviously failed. So once again, Bill misevaluated the position.

So yes, you did say those things.

 

[203Pat]

Congratulations to all the intrepid participants of this thread.

200,000+ views, 23 pages of illustrious literacy and commentary.

Ian is going to have to pony up for a server upgrade with the way this thread is going.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Brady deserved a lifetime here just the same as Bill and without a doubt the time to make sure that happen was after the '18 season. I don't think he ever really thought Brady would walk.

As far as the succession he tried with Jimmy and Brady far far out played it. He tried again a few times with Stidham and whoever else but they just never turned out to be good enough.

Then after Brady was gone he only got one true shot with Mac so yes I think he should have been given more chances.

I think hindsight shows they (Belichick and to a lesser degree the Krafts) underestimated Brady's longevity.

They shouldn't have as Brady was clear about how long he wanted to play - and yes, he deserved to have his entire career here and go out on his own terms.

But I think they went all in with the salary cap too deep and too soon, thinking the window was closing with Brady before it truly was - leaving themselves hamstrung with contracts and dead money that prevented them from being able to field a team up to Brady's competitive standards, even though Brady himself had been taking discounts to avoid exactly that all along his career.

Brady saw this coming and as we know had talks with the Miami ownership years before leaving the team (and I believe ensuring that the Pats would not franchise him per his contract) - effectively freeing Brady to play for a team that was better prepared to win the SB

I think if that team had been the Pats he would have stayed with the Pats - but he and we all knew the resources/contracts they had at that point and it was impossible for the Pats to say they were SB caliber beyond Brady at that point.

So in the end, as much as Brady should have played out his career successfully right here, I completely understand why it didn't happen.

We're not even touching the notion that Brady's own ego might have wanted to show he could win without BB's coaching - so another win for Brady there too

 

[sb1]

That indeed seems to be the case - i.e. after Caserio left for the Texans BB agreed to a more collaborative approach to drafting - no doubt in part to pressure from ownership

I'd say even within that there was an acknowledgment that maybe Bill's drafting wasn't as good as his coaching, but in any event, all seem to acknowledge that Mac Jones wasn't BB's preferred QB (that goes to Davis Mills, current Texans backup - taken by Caserio)

At the time we all seemed to feel like there was an agreement with the Krafts that if Jones was there at 15 they'd take him

We can question a lot of Bill's draft picks but unfair to saddle him with the choice of Jones

Belichick Wanted Another Quarterback Over Mac Jones in Patriots' 2021 NFL Draft?

According to a recent report, the pairing of former New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Mac Jones was essentially doomed from the start.

www.si.com

I agree with that. I believe Bill was willing to listen more or at least he said he was - but he was still the GM and the buck stopped with him. If the group made a recommendation he was still free to veto it. But a collaboration that took all roster power away from Bill and basically just strung him along for the ride like some insist happened? That never existed.

I didn't really have an issue with the Mac Jones pick itself. We never gave up any draft capital for him, he was the #5 QB of the class off the board and we needed a QB. The problems started in year 2 with the coaching staff hires and Bill deciding halfway through the season that he didn't want to coach Jones anymore then he fabricated a QB controversy with Bailey Zappe. Mills is not a viable starting QB either, he was always a project and nothing more, and his stint as a starter was a flop. So either way it seems BB's ability to evaluate QB's not named Brady just isn't good.

Imagine what this defense would have been if he moved up for Micah Parsons which he could have done in that draft.

 

[sb1]

We're not even touching the notion that Brady's own ego might have wanted to show he could win without BB's coaching - so another win for Brady there too

Possible but based on his comments it's more likely he had enough of Bill and tbh who could blame him.

 

[FortressX]

Here is an interesting little news item

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www.boston25news.com

 

[signbabybrady]

You said the succession plan was Jimmy Garoppolo but Brady played far outplayed it. So Bill wasn't able to properly assess/predict Brady's skills at that time. You also said Bill didn't think Brady would walk. He misevaluated again. Then you said he tried again with Stidham and others and they weren't good enough. So another misfire from Bill when it comes to quarterback. Then you said he got a shot with Mac Jones which obviously failed. So once again, Bill misevaluated the position.

So yes, you did say those things.

I mean who has time for you twisting my words to try and have some gotcha moments when this guy just runs around making things up.

I agree with that. I believe Bill was willing to listen more or at least he said he was - but he was still the GM and the buck stopped with him. If the group made a recommendation he was still free to veto it. But a collaboration that took all roster power away from Bill and basically just strung him along for the ride like some insist happened? That never existed.

I didn't really have an issue with the Mac Jones pick itself. We never gave up any draft capital for him, he was the #5 QB of the class off the board and we needed a QB. The problems started in year 2 with the coaching staff hires and Bill deciding halfway through the season that he didn't want to coach Jones anymore then he fabricated a QB controversy with Bailey Zappe. Mills is not a viable starting QB either, he was always a project and nothing more, and his stint as a starter was a flop. So either way it seems BB's ability to evaluate QB's not named Brady just isn't good.

Imagine what this defense would have been if he moved up for Micah Parsons which he could have done in that draft.

How did he fabricate it? Did he roll Macs ankle. Did he use a sledgehammer like Kathy Bates in misery?

 

[sb1]

How did anyone rank Lopez as better than Johnson?

How did anyone rank Lopez as better than Johnson?

247sports.com

More QB evaluation brilliance from the coach who just can't win without Brady.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Like I said you all are exposing yourselves. So much hate.

You aren’t exposing anyone. Belichick is an *******, and he seems to be very proud of that. If he wanted to be a good guy he would act the way he does when he’s doing the shows on NFL history, where’s he’s as amicable as can be, which means that his dour ******* behavior that he shows the rest of the time is a conscious choice on his part.

It's not like I have some list it's more like whack a mole.

The level of hate far far exceeds anything that a Patriots message board should contain for someone who lead this team to 6 SB wins. and sorry but if you not seeing the insane level of hate then it's logical to think you might have the same opinions.

The person driving all of the antagonism is you and your ridiculous excuses and arguments. 99% of Patriot fans think Belichick is the GOAT, but that’s not good enough for you, instead they have to agree with every idiotic thing you say and position you take or they are haters. I have seen many ridiculous posters onthis site over the years but only 1 or 2 have been as insistent and absurd as you are. This thread would have died long ago if you had stopped playing “ me against the world,” and let it die.

 

[raduray]

Like I said you all are exposing yourselves. So much hate.

Nah, but we all like a good train wreck..

 

[signbabybrady]

You aren’t exposing anyone. Belichick is an *******, and he seems to be very proud of that. If he wanted to be a good guy he would act the way he does when he’s doing the shows on NFL history, where’s he’s as amicable as can be, which means that his dour ******* behavior that he shows the rest of the time is a conscious choice on his part.


The person driving all of the antagonism is you and your ridiculous excuses and arguments. 99% of Patriot fans think Belichick is the GOAT, but that’s not good enough for you, instead they have to agree with every idiotic thing you say and position you take or they are haters. I have seen many ridiculous posters onthis site over the years but only 1 or 2 have been as insistent and absurd as you are. This thread would have died long ago if you had stopped playing “ me against the world,” and let it die.

I don't drive anything in this debate I just respond to other people

 

[Huckleberry1]

Bill must feel that’s a distraction that his youngsters can’t handle right now, maybe later that will change . After mondays game I don’t think many players showed they were worth a look.

So the other 31 teams scouting UNC players isn’t a distraction but Patriot’s scouts WATCHING them is? I mean we’re talking about WATCHING, not playing, it’s WATCHING them play…….