ROSTER ARITHMETIC - DEFENSE

[mgteich]

MAIN POINTS
1) We start 5 secondary and need 5 backups.
2) We start 6 up front and need at most 8 backups (and role players).
3) There is often a Ster labeled as the 25th player on Defense (Schooler on this team).
4) We seem to have considerable backups at every position but corner.

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We will be playing a base nickel. With 6 up front. So, how many should we have in each unit? And yes, the final spots can always make this a bit different.
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Let's start at the back.
SECONDARY (5 starters, 5 backups)
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SAFETIES (4)
2 starters
2 backups (and the #4 always plays a lot of special teams)

CORNERS (6)
2 outside starters
1 starting nickel
3 backups (and the #5 and #6 play a lot of special teams)
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FRONT SIX (6 starters, 8 backups)

INSIDE LINEBACKER
2 starters
2 backups

OLB/EDGE
1 starter
3 backups

DL/DE
3 starters
3 backups

 

[Ring 6]

MAIN POINTS
1) We start 5 secondary and need 5 backups.
2) We start 6 up front and need at most 8 backups (and role players).
3) There is often a Ster labeled as the 25th player on Defense (Schooler on this team).
4) We seem to have considerable backups at every position but corner.

===
We will be playing a base nickel. With 6 up front. So, how many should we have in each unit? And yes, the final spots can always make this a bit different.
==========
Let's start at the back.
SECONDARY (5 starters, 5 backups)
======
SAFETIES (4)
2 starters
2 backups (and the #4 always plays a lot of special teams)

CORNERS (6)
2 outside starters
1 starting nickel
3 backups (and the #5 and #6 play a lot of special teams)
=================
FRONT SIX (6 starters, 8 backups)

INSIDE LINEBACKER
2 starters
2 backups

OLB/EDGE
1 starter
3 backups

DL/DE
3 starters
3 backups

Since we play 3 corners in base and dbs along with lbs get the most sts snaps I would not be surprised that we keep 7 corners. 5 will be playing on d in the game, a 6th for sts and one inactive.

There is also overlap in your de/lb and edge esp depending on where you are putting White.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Defense is going to surprise people and be completely different than what we're used to.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Defense is going to surprise people and be completely different than what we're used to.

Can you multiply that up, or divide it, or something? This is the arithmetic thread.

 

[patman52]

Since we play 3 corners in base and dbs along with lbs get the most sts snaps I would not be surprised that we keep 7 corners. 5 will be playing on d in the game, a 6th for sts and one inactive.

There is also overlap in your de/lb and edge esp depending on where you are putting White.

I We may play some safety at corner, Woodson or Peppers on TE big wr lining up in the slot

 

[TheRainMaker]

Can you multiply that up, or divide it, or something? This is the arithmetic thread.

I missed the assignment. I just felt like saying that.

Answering the original question, I don't have a problem with the OP's projection.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I missed the assignment. I just felt like saying that.

Answering the original question, I don't have a problem with the OP's projection.

We should get the engineer @maust to do a polygon, or a perimeter, or a graph. Maust couldn't figure out why his wife kept getting pregnant, but I think he is good at arithmetic.

 

[maust]

We should get the engineer @maust to do a polygon, or a perimeter, or a graph. Maust couldn't figure out why his wife kept getting pregnant, but I think he is good at arithmetic.

I know even basic things can look complicated to cognac guys but the biology is really pretty simple for the rest of us. I know exactly how and why each of our children was conceived and math had nothing to do with it

 

[Brick27]

This couldn’t be simply added as a post in OPs defense thread #3278 created in the last month?

 

[Clonamery]

This couldn’t be simply added as a post in OPs defense thread #3278 created in the last month?

Some people, well, one guy, thinks we need to start a new thread every time he has a new thought. Keep the posts coming. Push the old threads down. He must've had a dream he was Ian or something: need...more...content. Or maybe he's Ian's wife? I haven't quite tied down the theory on that one yet because there a lot of loose ends but that'll be a new thread when the old gray matter fires up a bit more (that has nothing to with maust, biology and/or math).

 

[Pape]

when doing the maths, do we need to calculate the subsets of 1 players starting the season on the ir/pup 2 players being stashed on the taxi squad 3 veteran cuts that we may pick up slightly before/after cut down day...

 

[Wozzy]

I think people get too caught up in “base defenses,” football is about matchups and there’s a tool for every job. You’ll need every tool in the toolbox eventually.

When you’re playing the Eagles massive offensive line for example you need to be flexible and deep enough at DT to add some beef to the line. When you’re playing a lighter offensive front predicated on speed like the Dolphins you need to have more DB’s on the field.

When you play Lamar Jackson with his ridiculous speed, you can’t be dogmatic and insistent about running your base defense… or he’ll run right past you. Create a custom defense, force him to pass from the pocket and he’s easy to beat.

Be less concerned about “base” defense and optimistic that (health provided) they have all the tools to play the schedule in front of them. By the end of the season the scheduled opponents and health will determine snap counts and what base defenses they ran. Be like water my friend…

 

[Clonamery]

when doing the maths, do we need to calculate the subsets of 1 players starting the season on the ir/pup 2 players being stashed on the taxi squad 3 veteran cuts that we may pick up slightly before/after cut down day...

I 4 get.

 

[signbabybrady]

when doing the maths, do we need to calculate the subsets of 1 players starting the season on the ir/pup 2 players being stashed on the taxi squad 3 veteran cuts that we may pick up slightly before/after cut down day...

I would say:
1 it's nice to know we can but I don't like assuming guys on the inactive PUP or IR.

2 you have to cut a player before you can stash them. Most will make it through but you have to consider guys like Chism might not. I might take that gamble on Bourne or Hollins though.

3 I'm sure we'll be active on cut down day again and hopefully can find some more OL depth as an example. I wouldn't feel safe if I were a bubble Patriot so I would definitely take this into accounting/math.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Can you multiply that up, or divide it, or something? This is the arithmetic thread.

Yep. He’s not far off on his numbers but it made my head ache just looking at it, so I never responded. The only thing I can say is that without laying out the players involved it’s difficult to assess, because it doesn’t figure in how guys who can play multiple roles affect the outcome. Swing tackles, DB’s that can play multiple roles etc.. ultimately figure into the final breakdown.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Some people, well, one guy, thinks we need to start a new thread every time he has a new thought. Keep the posts coming. Push the old threads down. He must've had a dream he was Ian or something: need...more...content. Or maybe he's Ian's wife? I haven't quite tied down the theory on that one yet because there a lot of loose ends but that'll be a new thread when the old gray matter fires up a bit more (that has nothing to with maust, biology and/or math).

Nice.

 

[patfanken]

Here's the thing... Last season saw the run game around the league make a resounding comeback as most of the best teams brought a rejuvenated running attack as a response to smaller faster defensive lineups that they were seeing. I think that trend continues. For THAT reason, I think we will see less of the nickel and dime sets and a bit more of the 3 and 4 LB sets (depending on the base DL) this season.

I think this bodes well for Marte Mapu, who is little more than an afterthought at this point in the minds of many observers. I think he will at least have a chance to carve out a significant role on defense and become a regular contributor depending on the offenses we see week to week.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Yep. He’s not far off on his numbers but it made my head ache just looking at it, so I never responded. The only thing I can say is that without laying out the players involved it’s difficult to assess, because it doesn’t figure in how guys who can play multiple roles affect the outcome. Swing tackles, DB’s that can play multiple roles etc.. ultimately figure into the final breakdown.

And a bunch of players are going to be injured, so it is all meaningless this far out. But there is nothing else to write about right now. Some guys like numbers.

 

[Huckleberry1]

And a bunch of players are going to be injured, so it is all meaningless this far out. But there is nothing else to write about right now. Some guys like numbers.

I get it. The next 6 weeks is going to be the death zone football wise, but it’s good that people finally have a team to be fired up about. This is the most I have been into the Patriots in years, and that’s going to make it tough not to watch them live. I made a decision long ago never to spend nice days inside, so until Thanksgiving hits I have to watch most games as replays, and try to avoid the outcome until then, which is no small feat, and that’s going to be much harder going forward. .

 

[mgteich]

And a bunch of players are going to be injured, so it is all meaningless this far out. But there is nothing else to write about right now. Some guys like numbers.

1) Yes, I like numbers. For example, I can't see have a nickel base and needing 9 LB's for the roster, unless DE's are counting as LB's. Just get linebackers who are more flexible in the roles that they can play.

2) And, yes, players playing multiple roles critical and can change the numbers at the edges.

3) I understand that most focus on starters and top backups. If I agreed, I would not have posted much at all once we discussed the draft for a couple of weeks.

4) I think that the patriots have also done so well not only because of the top 35 active players, but also because of the performance the rest of the roster. The team has tried to be prepared for injuries and multiple injuries.

5) And yes, injuries in camp are critical. We should be as prepared as we can to play effectively if there is an injury at any position (QB is the exception). Are we prepared if we have an injury at any position but QB? I would argue that we are, at every position but corner. An injury at corner would leave us going into season severely limited.

At corner, we could focus on the fact that we really like the top 3, a think that Austin is a good enough backup so that he will be able to fill in whenever one of our top 3 are injured. But we all know better. We need 6 corners during the year and we might end up winning or losing games because of one of them stepped up or not. I have posted more about this situation that any other, since for me it is the most problematical (unless Woodson is a backup nickel, where someone posted he is being reps in practice).