Vegas has Pats at 7.5 wins. (Updated: 8.5)

[sb1]

OT speaking of Vrabel - I don't think the NFL allows player-coaches but it would be fun to see Vrabel enter a game and catch a TD pass like the old days lol.

 

[scott99]

If they win 7 or 8 games, it’s a successful year one for Vrabel. For some reason, with him leading this team, I wouldn’t be shocked with an 8 or 9 win season. Which would be excellent, to go from 4 wins to 8 or 9.

I still think it’s gonna take a little bit of time for this team to gel though, so many new players, coaches, systems.

 

[maust]

OT speaking of Vrabel - I don't think the NFL allows player-coaches but it would be fun to see Vrabel enter a game and catch a TD pass like the old days lol.

I should imagine the salary cap and roster limitation impediments to a player-coach could be worked out. From that perspective I'd bet the Pats could work something out to get Vrabel suited up but the league has seriously restrictive compliance requirements on equipment. I doubt they'd allow him to use a walker on the field.

 

[Bill Lee]

I should imagine the salary cap and roster limitation impediments to a player-coach could be worked out. From that perspective I'd bet the Pats could work something out to get Vrabel suited up but the league has seriously restrictive compliance requirements on equipment. I doubt they'd allow him to use a walker on the field.

The stunt's not worth the risk. The dude could break a leg. So, maybe you do it on the last game of a season after you're out of the playoffs and he can recover from an injury in the off season. But then you have to bump a real player off the active list for the game, which would piss off that player, their agent, and the union. Is it worth all that? IMO, no it is not.

 

[JayNM]

I think it's best to not read too much into the W column but rhather in what it must mean to get to 7.5

Vegas is bullyish on Drake Maye, even with subpar weapons overall (Now that we have Diggs, im back to the hating club, so let's see if he's 100% before celebrating) and a whole new coaching staff (net positive), and O-line (neutral)

Im curious about the WRs and the RBs we've got, I think we can surprise, but yeah, unknown right now.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think it's best to not read too much into the W column but rhather in what it must mean to get to 7.5

Vegas is bullyish on Drake Maye, even with subpar weapons overall (Now that we have Diggs, im back to the hating club, so let's see if he's 100% before celebrating) and a whole new coaching staff (net positive), and O-line (neutral)

Im curious about the WRs and the RBs we've got, I think we can surprise, but yeah, unknown right now.

No knock on Maye but I think what changed the line was the overall perception of the Patriots offseason. I started listening to draft podcasts while I was working out last fall, and from there until free agency the recurring take on the Patriots was that they were a total mess and looking at a 2-3 year rebuild at a minimum. Then came free agency, and by the time it had run its course the reviews had become a little more positive, but still looked at it as a multi year rebuild. Then came the draft, and after the draft all of the talking heads started raving about not just their draft, but the way they addressed their needs in the draft and free agency. And now they are talking about them as a playoff team. The line moved a full game because the money is all coming in for the Patriotts to win more than 8 games.

None of this should be taken as if they are a finished product, far from it in fact. They have addressed their needs, at various levels, and they were able to double up on many of those needs, making them much stronger going forward, but there is still going to be plenty of work to do again next offseason, such as finding the long term answer at Right tackle, and adding more quality wide receivers, but overall they are in a much better place than where they started at, and the optimism is well deserved.

 

[Ring 6]

I'd put us at 8-8, not counting Game 17.

Who are the 8 losses?

 

[Ring 6]

The 7.5 carries a -155 so we are a few bets away from it flipping to 8.5.
Patriots open at -2.5 vs raiders.
I expect it will be up to 5 by game week.

 

[JayNM]

No knock on Maye but I think what changed the line was the overall perception of the Patriots offseason. I started listening to draft podcasts while I was working out last fall, and from there until free agency the recurring take on the Patriots was that they were a total mess and looking at a 2-3 year rebuild at a minimum. Then came free agency, and by the time it had run its course the reviews had become a little more positive, but still looked at it as a multi year rebuild. Then came the draft, and after the draft all of the talking heads started raving about not just their draft, but the way they addressed their needs in the draft and free agency. And now they are talking about them as a playoff team. The line moved a full game because the money is all coming in for the Patriotts to win more than 8 games.

None of this should be taken as if they are a finished product, far from it in fact. They have addressed their needs, at various levels, and they were able to double up on many of those needs, making them much stronger going forward, but there is still going to be plenty of work to do again next offseason, such as finding the long term answer at Right tackle, and adding more quality wide receivers, but overall they are in a much better place than where they started at, and the optimism is well deserved.

Respect your opinion but you r probably wrong here, in quite some accounts. Probably bc if we know bookeepers reason... well

Rookies that are blue chip dont move needles. Campbell hopefully is a long term LT, but that's at 50/50 now. On offense, our best player is STILL Rhamondre, but with enough pieces for us to be surprised. (and I actually dare anyone to show trend-wise anyone better than Stevenson, with considering "skill jump" that WILL happen.

perception for quality, in the football field is points, and nowadays offense is the name. Our defense is much better, but not that better. If we were deeper or even a bit more top end quality, then maybe

I think Vegas is subtly saying that Maye is leading the patriots to at least 2 more victories than last year, And let's not forget that technically Maye has yet to win a game.

Don't confuse things, they aren't betting the house on Vrabel, Spillane, Williams. It's on Maye

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

No knock on Maye but I think what changed the line was the overall perception of the Patriots offseason. I started listening to draft podcasts while I was working out last fall, and from there until free agency the recurring take on the Patriots was that they were a total mess and looking at a 2-3 year rebuild at a minimum. Then came free agency, and by the time it had run its course the reviews had become a little more positive, but still looked at it as a multi year rebuild. Then came the draft, and after the draft all of the talking heads started raving about not just their draft, but the way they addressed their needs in the draft and free agency. And now they are talking about them as a playoff team. The line moved a full game because the money is all coming in for the Patriotts to win more than 8 games.

None of this should be taken as if they are a finished product, far from it in fact. They have addressed their needs, at various levels, and they were able to double up on many of those needs, making them much stronger going forward, but there is still going to be plenty of work to do again next offseason, such as finding the long term answer at Right tackle, and adding more quality wide receivers, but overall they are in a much better place than where they started at, and the optimism is well deserved.

I think defense can be the difference maker.

Can we stop teams? When it matters?

That can win a championship for you.

Along with having a smart quarterback who keeps his cool under pressure, and running the god damned ball in key down and distance situations instead of mindlessly dropping your quarterback back to pass for the 100th time thinking he's Tom Brady like all teams are doing now even though Tom himself was unable to overcome such stupidity on several occasions (when Josh was our OC).

 

[Huckleberry1]

Respect your opinion but you r probably wrong here, in quite some accounts. Probably bc if we know bookeepers reason... well

Rookies that are blue chip dont move needles. Campbell hopefully is a long term LT, but that's at 50/50 now. On offense, our best player is STILL Rhamondre, but with enough pieces for us to be surprised. (and I actually dare anyone to show trend-wise anyone better than Stevenson, with considering "skill jump" that WILL happen.

perception for quality, in the football field is points, and nowadays offense is the name. Our defense is much better, but not that better. If we were deeper or even a bit more top end quality, then maybe

I think Vegas is subtly saying that Maye is leading the patriots to at least 2 more victories than last year, And let's not forget that technically Maye has yet to win a game.

Don't confuse things, they aren't betting the house on Vrabel, Spillane, Williams. It's on Maye

Obviously I disagree. Vegas opened the line at 7.5, and it’s moved to 8.5 because the money has been coming in for the over. There’s no difference in Maye now than there was when the offseason started, what has changed is the overall perception of the team after it filled all its holes in free agency and the draft.

 

[maust]

I think Vegas is subtly saying that Maye is leading the patriots to at least 2 more victories than last year, And let's not forget that technically Maye has yet to win a game.

No, just no. All that reasoned out stuff is BS
Vegas isn't saying anything 'subtle' at all. The only thing Vegas is saying is too much over money came in on the 7.5.
Period.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

I can see why it moved from 7.5 to 8.5, i think any less than 8 wins with this schedule and improvements on the roster and coaching staff would be disappointing i'm a big fan of the potential of Drake Maye but franchises QBs win games despite issues around them a leap to me has to be seen in the wins column and 8 has to be the minimum where we can claim the season was somewhat of a success.

 

[JayNM]

Dont wait to get any bigger on those *****es unless Diggs starts improving fast(er)

 

[maust]

I can see why it moved from 7.5 to 8.5,

See the post above yours. The over got bumped for one rea$on and only one rea$on

 

[goheels22002]

It's funny how saying 13 wins does indeed seem ludicrous, but when you do go through the games one by one, it's not so crazy. I bet Redskins fans thought the same thing last year and they won 12

It all comes down to the offensive line. There are lots of good pass rushers on even the weakest teams. If the offensive line comes together, the Patriots can be very good against this bottom feeding schedule. If the line doesn't give Maye time and the RBs some daylight, I have these guys going 6-11 - better than last year - but still in need of another year of upgrades.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

I think the OL will be miles ahead of last year's group, but there are unknowns at LG...I think we already have someone that can handle that position, whether it's Strange or Sow, or even someone else .
I feel that this is going to be a good team.
I'm JAG, but have been paying attention to what/who we have available.
I guess we'll see pretty soon.

 

[Huckleberry1]

No, just no. All that reasoned out stuff is BS
Vegas isn't saying anything 'subtle' at all. The only thing Vegas is saying is too much over money came in on the 7.5.
Period.

I agree. At this point Vegas is no longer setting the line, bettors are. They set the original line at 7.5, that was the starting point for betting, everything that happens after that is a function of what the money is being put down on, be that under or over. And I won’t be surprised if the line moves up to 9.5 over the next couple of months.

 

[neuronet]

By all accounts our SoS is one of the lowest this year. Last year it was one of the highest. Given all the changes this has me feeling pretty good, so I’m taking the over. Not betting the house but maybe my bicycle

 

[Nikolai]

See the post above yours. The over got bumped for one rea$on and only one rea$on

Yep, Vegas operates off of how people's perception of things affects the flow of money. Full stop.