No Hunter, No Carter, No Problem take Tyler Warren

[Grogan14]

Other than Hunter, Ashton and Warren are by far the best available offensive players.
Time to face reality…Hunter will be gone by 3.
Warren is big strong, great character swiss army knife who is durable.
BPA on offense.
If Ashton were bigger I would take him.
Warren will be a great pick.
Hunter Henry will be gone in another year.
Warren is a damn good consolation prize
McDaniels knows how to use TEs

All of the OL have serious flaws

 

[festy1986]

No Carter. Not Hunter. Trade back.

At all cost.

 

[varjao]

With Diggs stretching the field this guy would feast over the middle. I'm not against but it would be nice to get him with a small trade down and getting another pick in the process to get a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round

 

[aluminum seats]

No Carter. Not Hunter. Trade back.

At all cost.

You can’t just say trade back dude, the Patriots can’t trade back if the value isn’t there, that would be stupid

With Diggs stretching the field this guy would feast over the middle. I'm not against but it would be nice to get him with a small trade down and getting another pick in the process to get a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round

Don’t really think Diggs is gonna be a stretch the field guy here

 

[BobDigital]

Nope. I like Warren as a prospect, but realistically how many TEs in the history of the league have been worth the 4th overall pick even after the fact. And that is when you knew FOR A FACT they would be that good. Keep in mind TE by its nature is not typically as impactful of a position as a top WR unless you are an absolute game breaker.

Here's my list.

Kelce
Gronk
Gonzo
Sharpe
Casper (for his time for sure)
Winslow (particularly if he stayed healthy)


Then maybe..

Witten (his best years came after his rookie contract was up)
Gates (for all the love he gets, he only got over 1K yards twice in a pretty pass friendly era... is that worth the 4th pick? I would argue maybe not)
Newsome (Was fairly dominant in his era... but enough for the 4th pick? IDK.)

REALLY stop and think about how many TEs you'd trade the 4th overall pick for. How many in history have there been? And then remember those are players that you 100% know their worth. How sure are you Warren will be as good as the least of them? What are the odds he will be worth that pick?

Personally I wouldn't pick a TE in the top 10 unless it was a generational prospect at the position... and even then not in the top 5... You're more likely to recoup your value in the top 5 pick by picking a WR as far as an offensive weapon goes

As for Warren, I like him... Even if the Pats trade down... I don't want to pick him in the top 10. Top 15... now we're talking. And if worse comes to worse and the Pats can't trade down for any worth while value, i'd take McMillian. He isn't a perfect prospect, but he has good meassurables, good tape and seems the most likely of anyone else IMO to have enough value to recoup our pick value. And he fills a need.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Other than Hunter, Ashton and Warren are by far the best available offensive players.
Time to face reality…Hunter will be gone by 3.
Warren is big strong, great character swiss army knife who is durable.
BPA on offense.
If Ashton were bigger I would take him.
Warren will be a great pick.
Hunter Henry will be gone in another year.
Warren is a damn good consolation prize
McDaniels knows how to use TEs

All of the OL have serious flaws

No, all of the OL don’t have “ serious flaws.” There is no Joe Alt in this class, but the projected first round OL in this class are good prospects.

 

[EMpats]

Carter is going to Cleveland, it’s Hunter or Campbell for the Pats at 4, depending on the Giants.

 

[Ring 6]

Other than Hunter, Ashton and Warren are by far the best available offensive players.
Time to face reality…Hunter will be gone by 3.
Warren is big strong, great character swiss army knife who is durable.
BPA on offense.
If Ashton were bigger I would take him.
Warren will be a great pick.
Hunter Henry will be gone in another year.
Warren is a damn good consolation prize
McDaniels knows how to use TEs

All of the OL have serious flaws

I watched a lot of Penn state games and Warren did not impress me at all.
I mean he was a good college player who took advantage of having no WRs for his qb to throw to, and ran gimmick plays too.
But he was a 5th year senior, was unimpressive his 1st 4, can’t block and I was him take a lot of plays off.
Catching a lot of passes as the safety valve isn’t the formula for top 10 pick success.

He had a few big games against bad teams that was half of his production for the season.
A lot of people love the guy, but I don’t see it.

 

[farn]

Carter is going to Cleveland, it’s Hunter or Campbell for the Pats at 4.

Never, ever underestimate Cleveland’s ability to make poor decisions. They practically wrote the book.

 

[Ring 6]

The smart play for the patriots is trade down to the 9-15 range draft a LT there I like Simmons, then take the picks we added and trade back up into round 1 for a WR. I like Egbuka

 

[denverpatsfan]

I like the player. Not at #4 though. Which draft boards have him top 10? Top 5??!!

 

[WhatJustHappened]

I'm all set with a TE at 4, no Thanks.
Even if he turns out to be good.
We need TRENCH MEN.
Win and lose at the LOS.

 

[Sect140]

Nope. I like Warren as a prospect, but realistically how many TEs in the history of the league have been worth the 4th overall pick even after the fact. And that is when you knew FOR A FACT they would be that good. Keep in mind TE by its nature is not typically as an impactful of a position as a top WR unless you are an absolute game breaker.

Here's my list.

Kelce
Gronk
Gonzo
Sharpe
Casper (for his time for sure)
Winslow (particularly if he stayed healthy)


Then maybe..

Witten (his best years came after his rookie contract was up)
Gates (for all the love he gets, he only got over 1K yards twice in a pretty pass friendly era... is that worth the 4th pick? I would argue maybe not)
Newsome (Was fairly dominant in his era... but enough for the 4th pick? IDK.)

REALLY stop and think about how many TEs you'd trade the 4th overall pick for. How many in history have there been? And then remember those are players that you 100% know their worth. How sure are you Warren will be as good as the least of them? What are the odds he will be worth that pick?

Personally I wouldn't pick a TE in the top 10 unless it was a general prospect at the position... and even then not in the top 5... You're more likely to recoup your value in the top 5 pick by picking a WR as far as an offensive weapon goes

As for Warren, I like him... Even if the Pats trade down... I don't want to pick him in the top 10. Top 15... now we're talking. And if worse comes to worse and the Pats can't trade down for any worth while value, i'd take McMillian. He isn't a perfect prospect, but he has good meassurables, good tape and seems the most likely of anyone else IMO to have enough value to recoup our pick value. And he fills a need.

I’ll add Mike Ditka to the list.

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[WhatJustHappened]

He's a fkn STUD, even with the BS Arm length crap.... he's proven it over 3 years, against the BEST in college football.
He's not shiny, Ok pick Membou, IDGAS as long as he can adjust and get it done.
I've even gone to others, but starting LT or bust.
Drake needs THAT guy, we have #4, let's FINALLY get that done.
Fancy guys are fine, but they aren't going to be good if Drake is constantly in the blue tent...or worse

 

[Huckleberry1]

He's a fkn STUD, even with the BS Arm length crap.... he's proven it over 3 years, against the BEST in college football.
He's not shiny, Ok pick Membou, IDGAS as long as he can adjust and get it done.
I've even gone to others, but starting LT or bust.
Drake needs THAT guy, we have #4, let's FINALLY get that done.
Fancy guys are fine, but they aren't going to be good if Drake is constantly in the blue tent...or worse

Agree. I like Membou as well, but Campbell is a class act, and exactly the kind of player you want in your program, I think Membou has a higher ceiling, but I will still be happy if they take Campbell. I see Zabel, Banks, and Conerly as the next tier, then Simmons and Ersery. I heard a really concerning report about Simmons the other day, but it was about his demeanor as a player, not the one. And I want glass eaters all over this team.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Here's my list.

Kelce
Gronk
Gonzo
Sharpe
Casper (for his time for sure)
Winslow (particularly if he stayed healthy)


Then maybe..

Witten (his best years came after his rookie contract was up)
Gates (for all the love he gets, he only got over 1K yards twice in a pretty pass friendly era... is that worth the 4th pick? I would argue maybe not)
Newsome (Was fairly dominant in his era... but enough for the 4th pick? IDK.)

*cough* BEN COATES *cough*

 

[Pape]

He's a fkn STUD, even with the BS Arm length crap.... he's proven it over 3 years, against the BEST in college football.
He's not shiny, Ok pick Membou, IDGAS as long as he can adjust and get it done.
I've even gone to others, but starting LT or bust.
Drake needs THAT guy, we have #4, let's FINALLY get that done.
Fancy guys are fine, but they aren't going to be good if Drake is constantly in the blue tent...or worse

My favored guy is Josh Simmons... But i understand the whole knee issue derailing that pick at 4.

Will Campbell is the next best option... I do not care if he is considered a reach... Its not a Cole Strange type reach... You are taking the best in the position rankings, who is routinely a top ten player in the many mock drafts... 6 spots? Thats not what i consider an overdraft...

Its even less of a "reach" when the overall talent level in the draft is as weak as it has been forecasted...

 

[BobDigital]

*cough* BEN COATES *cough*

I love Ben Coates... but he isn't worth pick 4.

You have to give him this though... his peak is among the best for all tight ends when you take into account all aspects of TE play. At his peak he may be top 3. I speak of the 94/95 seasons. But sadly outside of his peak years he wasn't dominant enough to deserve a top 4 pick. Peak Ben may be better than peak Sharpe... But Sharpe's best 5 years > Coates best 5 and Certainly his best 10 are better too.

While i do value blocking from a tight end... it is frankly not an equal part of the game. And if your TE is a bad blocker... just have him run more routes when in the game.

While this isn't the absolute perfect way to evaluate TEs I'd ask from a pass catching perspective where do they score from 1-100... then from a blocking perspective... where do they score from 1-20. Then add up the total and that is their total value. So while Blocking is more than just a tie breaker... it is not a equal part value wise. If you think it is, why is were Kelce and Sharpe who were crap blockers getting paid top tier money while the best blocking TEs who can't catch much at all paid only a few million.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Agree. I like Membou as well, but Campbell is a class act, and exactly the kind of player you want in your program, I think Membou has a higher ceiling, but I will still be happy if they take Campbell. I see Zabel, Banks, and Conerly as the next tier, then Simmons and Ersery. I heard a really concerning report about Simmons the other day, but it was about his demeanor as a player, not the one. And I want glass eaters all over this team.

We need SOMEONE that can smash folks DAY1, I'm not looking for guys that MIGHT do it.
Simmons is considered the BEST OT in the draft, he had a SERIOUS injury, yet folks are clamoring for him...not sure what's up there.
We need a stud out of the gate, if you want Drake to stay out of the tent.
Campbell isn't sexy, he has some intangibles that aren't Ideal, but let's be real here, Drake made too many mistakes , he needs to be able to trust the men around him, cuz he has serious arm talent.
These are my opinions only, others are open to discussion.

Thanks