Tet McMillan or Tyler Warren

[signbabybrady]

I don’t see it as “ coddling” him at all, I see it as teaching to make good decisions, and the “ just chuck it up there and hope for the best” lesson is a terrible one to teach him.

I'm not saying chuck it up. I'm saying throwing to wide open receivers everytime or don't throw it is not realistic. He needs to be able to throw in tight windows that will require contested catches. I'm talking 7 yard slants and crossing routes and things like that. I'm not talking the 50/50 crap that Parker was talking about.

 

[dliverey44]

This gives me crazy pause. I am already out on Tet.

 

[Username]

At the end of the day, this is what I find more important about McMillan, more important than saying, when he was approached by a random vlogger as a rookie, he doesn't watch football other than in the film room.


6'4", 220lbs,


4.48 forty was in the 80th percentile.

74th percentile overall in separation percentile, per PFF. Against zone coverage, McMillan was charted as open on 94.3% of his targets.

2nd overall in YAC for 2024

2nd in contested catch rate in 2023 and 2024

Posted the highest AIQ score—a cognitive test teams use in the pre-draft process—of any receiver in this year’s class.

Watch the tape and you'll see a guy who was double and triple covered on almost every snap because his team had no one else and he was still a beast. He doesn't have explosive burst but he has elite long speed and is a nightmare to bring down.

 

[signbabybrady]

This gives me crazy pause. I am already out on Tet.

Well that doesn't support my previous point lol

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm not saying chuck it up. I'm saying throwing to wide open receivers everytime or don't throw it is not realistic. He needs to be able to throw in tight windows that will require contested catches. I'm talking 7 yard slants and crossing routes and things like that. I'm not talking the 50/50 crap that Parker was talking about.

I never said “ throw to wide open guys every time.” I said that Maye needs to learn how to throw to guys who are coming open and how to throw guys open, that’s exactly what Brady was doing his entire career. MacMillen had the most contested passes in college football, and if he couldn’t get open in college against the competition he faced, then he’s not going to get open against pro’s. Which means Maye is going to be throwing to a covered receiver when he throws to him. That’s a recipe for turnovers. There are plenty of fast big target receivers in this draft, they don’t need to draft MacMillen and they shouldn’t draft him.

 

[dliverey44]

My thing with Golden is that he had basically 6 games of production, he looked terrible at Houston. He looked completely different at Texas, much better route runner and more consistent hands. He is not a 4.29 guy, don't care what the 40 time says. He looks like a 4.4 guy, which is still good, but he will be over drafted because of the 4.29.

I think he will be a good NFL WR due to his quickness and has pretty good releases, he is not a good WR screen guy and he does not block very well so it might me tough to get on the field in 2 WR sets. I think he would be great with Josh McD, but there are other WRs that I think will have the same impact but not cost a 1st round pick

 

[Huckleberry1]

My thing with Golden is that he had basically 6 games of production, he looked terrible at Houston. He looked completely different at Texas, much better route runner and more consistent hands. He is not a 4.29 guy, don't care what the 40 time says. He looks like a 4.4 guy, which is still good, but he will be over drafted because of the 4.29.

I think he will be a good NFL WR due to his quickness and has pretty good releases, he is not a good WR screen guy and he does not block very well so it might me tough to get on the field in 2 WR sets. I think he would be great with Josh McD, but there are other WRs that I think will have the same impact but not cost a 1st round pick

I really like Golden, the comps to Diggs are really positive, but I won’t be surprised if the WR they like the most is Egbuka out of Ohio State, who is considered to be the most complete WR in this draft. That and Vrabel’s ties to OSU make me think he could end up being the pick for WR.

 

[signbabybrady]

I never said “ throw to wide open guys every time.” I said that Maye needs to learn how to throw to guys who are coming open and how to throw guys open, that’s exactly what Brady was doing his entire career. MacMillen had the most contested passes in college football, and if he couldn’t get open in college against the competition he faced, then he’s not going to get open against pro’s. Which means Maye is going to be throwing to a covered receiver when he throws to him. That’s a recipe for turnovers. There are plenty of fast big target receivers in this draft, they don’t need to draft MacMillen and they shouldn’t draft him.

Whatever, I'm just saying Maye doesn't need kid gloves. And he'll be throwing his share of contested balls the NFL is too good not to.

 

[scott99]

At the end of the day, this is what I find more important about McMillan, more important than saying, when he was approached by a random vlogger as a rookie, he doesn't watch football other than in the film room.


6'4", 220lbs,


4.48 forty was in the 80th percentile.

74th percentile overall in separation percentile, per PFF. Against zone coverage, McMillan was charted as open on 94.3% of his targets.

2nd overall in YAC for 2024

2nd in contested catch rate in 2023 and 2024

Posted the highest AIQ score—a cognitive test teams use in the pre-draft process—of any receiver in this year’s class.

Watch the tape and you'll see a guy who was double and triple covered on almost every snap because his team had no one else and he was still a beast. He doesn't have explosive burst but he has elite long speed and is a nightmare to bring down.

I love this.

 

[dliverey44]

Whatever, I'm just saying Maye doesn't need kid gloves. And he'll be throwing his share of contested balls the NFL is too good not to.

I think the issue is that the more contested situations the higher probability that there are tip picks. I don't think anyone is suggesting that he should never throw 50-50 balls, but it should not be something that happens on a frequent basis.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Whatever, I'm just saying Maye doesn't need kid gloves. And he'll be throwing his share of contested balls the NFL is too good not to.

I’m not saying he won’t have to throw some contested balls, I’m saying you don’t draft a receiver who is only good for contested catches. People criticize Hunter for not having played the toughest schedule but MacMillen wasn’t playing a tough schedule either and still led the nation in the most contested passes.

I’m honestly fine with numerous players they could draft in the first round, I like the tackles, the TE’s, most of the wide receivers, and a number of the defensive players, there is really only one player, other than the QB’s, who I absolutely do not want on the Patriots, and that player is Teteroia MacMillen,

 

[TommyD4207]

Again, watch tape.

He had the most contested catches in college because he was double and triple covered on every snap. He was the only weapon on that offense, the only target of that ****ty QB. There's context and nuance to everything. Too many folk are like Nick Wright wannabes, forming die on the hill opinions based on soundbites and statistics without context, without actually watching football.

Watch tape.
Did you notice the teams he was going against? His best tape is against West Virginia - the 100th ranked defense in college football.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I never said “ throw to wide open guys every time.” I said that Maye needs to learn how to throw to guys who are coming open and how to throw guys open, that’s exactly what Brady was doing his entire career. MacMillen had the most contested passes in college football, and if he couldn’t get open in college against the competition he faced, then he’s not going to get open against pro’s. Which means Maye is going to be throwing to a covered receiver when he throws to him. That’s a recipe for turnovers. There are plenty of fast big target receivers in this draft, they don’t need to draft MacMillen and they shouldn’t draft him.

To be fair T-Mac was the only significant weapon on the field and often had to face double coverage. On top of that his QB wasn't exactly elite. So it's still impressive he was extremely productive even though teams were gameplanning for him every game.



This was his QB, Noah Fafita. I don't think he would even get drafted for the Pros. Maybe he could become a career backup at best.

 

[TommyD4207]

Golden only played 4 more games and almost doubled Bond’s production. After Hunter Golden is the best receiver in this draft.

This is true.

I like Bond as a prospect later down the board, personally, but if you wanted a guy who's producing day 1, Golden's the guy.

My concern with him is what people pretend is Hunter's concern, his size. While Hunter is a prototypical size for an NFL receiver, Golden is a bit on the small side.

 

[TommyD4207]

At the end of the day, this is what I find more important about McMillan, more important than saying, when he was approached by a random vlogger as a rookie, he doesn't watch football other than in the film room.


6'4", 220lbs,


4.48 forty was in the 80th percentile.

74th percentile overall in separation percentile, per PFF. Against zone coverage, McMillan was charted as open on 94.3% of his targets.

2nd overall in YAC for 2024

2nd in contested catch rate in 2023 and 2024

Posted the highest AIQ score—a cognitive test teams use in the pre-draft process—of any receiver in this year’s class.

Watch the tape and you'll see a guy who was double and triple covered on almost every snap because his team had no one else and he was still a beast. He doesn't have explosive burst but he has elite long speed and is a nightmare to bring down.

The 4.48 40-yard time was contradicted by every scout who attended that pro day.

 

[signbabybrady]

I’m not saying he won’t have to throw some contested balls, I’m saying you don’t draft a receiver who is only good for contested catches. People criticize Hunter for not having played the toughest schedule but MacMillen wasn’t playing a tough schedule either and still led the nation in the most contested passes.

I’m honestly fine with numerous players they could draft in the first round, I like the tackles, the TE’s, most of the wide receivers, and a number of the defensive players, there is really only one player, other than the QB’s, who I absolutely do not want on the Patriots, and that player is Teteroia MacMillen,

I think you're holding the one thing against Tet harder than you're holding the flaws of these other players against them by saying you're fine with numerous guys except him.

I'll admit that I'm kind of doing the opposite because in lieu of a clear cut choice after Hunter or Carter I'm kind of leaning on what I heard most of the year and to start the year Tet and Jeanty were getting a lot of hype and they seemingly lived up to it during the year too.

I wish there was a LT that we could all just agree on but instead we're all just trying to decide who is the least flawed. You bring up some valid concerns on Tet but that doesn't eliminate the concerns on the other picks.

There's about 5+ players that I'm OK with and for me Tet is still one of them.

Everyday I feel a little different and after Campbells pro day and the arm length there I kind of just want to go back to him even though I know that's probably even more BS than a gand timed 40.

Other days I think we can't just force a LT or WR and let's just get the best defensive player we can to help round out the rebuild on that side.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think you're holding the one thing against Tet harder than you're holding the flaws of these other players against them by saying you're fine with numerous guys except him.

I'll admit that I'm kind of doing the opposite because in lieu of a clear cut choice after Hunter or Carter I'm kind of leaning on what I heard most of the year and to start the year Tet and Jeanty were getting a lot of hype and they seemingly lived up to it during the year too.

I wish there was a LT that we could all just agree on but instead we're all just trying to decide who is the least flawed. You bring up some valid concerns on Tet but that doesn't eliminate the concerns on the other picks.

There's about 5+ players that I'm OK with and for me Tet is still one of them.

Everyday I feel a little different and after Campbells pro day and the arm length there I kind of just want to go back to him even though I know that's probably even more BS than a gand timed 40.

Other days I think we can't just force a LT or WR and let's just get the best defensive player we can to help round out the rebuild on that side.

Everyone is going to have their own reasons for liking or disliking different prospects or acquisitions, that’s what makes this board go. When it comes to receivers this year I decided long ago that after the N’Keal Harry experience, and Polk’s inability to get open last season that I am completely out on receivers who can’t get separation. And with Maye’s emergence I want him learning how to throw to guys who are breaking open, and how to throw guys open. What I don’t want is him leaning on a guy who can’t get open, and hoping he comes down with it. So for those reasons I have been out on MacAmillen since the beginning of this draft process, and I have been looking for the guys who can get open. So that’s where I am at on this issue.

 

[scott99]

The 4.48 40-yard time was contradicted by every scout who attended that pro day.

Not every, and some of the slower times were taken by hand with a stopwatch, which is notoriously inaccurate.

 

[scott99]

Why are these the only choices? Gun to my head I would say Warren. Right after they did draft him I would immediately throw up.

Because those were the choices.

 

[BobDigital]

I like Warren, but as i have said in another post.... TEs that are worth the 4th overall pick are SUPER rare. You're talking Gonzo, Gronk, Kelce, Sharpe, Winslow.... Game breakers.

Do this thought experiment. How many TEs exist that you would trade the 4th overall pick for. Now how many WRs?

Of the top 30 offensive weapons last year, how many were TEs? How many were WRs? Is the 5th TE worth the 5th best WR? The 10th? The 15th? You need to get to the very top of the pecking order for TEs for them to have a huge impact.

The 10th best TE in the league is Hunter Henry... how much is having him REALLY worth? The difference between the 10th and 5th guy form a TE perspective is huge... for the 5th to the 1st is another pretty huge leap most years. Let's say Warren turns into the 10th best TE in the league... that makes him Hunter Henry. Not near good enough. He needs to be top 3... that is a guy consistently hitting or around 1000 yards. Do you trust he can do it? I don't.