The Official Gonzo Extension Watch Thread

[RxJock1120]

If you're GM - how much? $40 million for a corner?

$35M/year is top of the market for CB and Gonzo deserves it. Especially if its an extension, instead of new contract, allowing us to still have him at reduced cap number for next 2 years.

 

[Thelonious]

Pick a number - for me, it'd be 32M. If that doesn't make him happy, trade him. The haul will be at least as fabulous as Gonzo, whose personality, in my view, is cause for some concern anyway. This really isn't a very complicated matter.

 

[mgteich]

He was great in the Super Bowl, he had improved over the last half of the season. I want to see if he can repeat that late success for another year before he gets rewarded with a mega contract.

Yours is certainly a reasonable position.

Of course, the result would likely be a mega contract for Gonzales playing for another team.

 

[rochrist]

Pick a number - for me, it'd be 32M. If that doesn't make him happy, trade him. The haul will be at least as fabulous as Gonzo, whose personality, in my view, is cause for some concern anyway. This really isn't a very complicated matter.

Sure, I mean, replacing an All-Pro corner is easy. They grow on trees.

Plus, what's with you thinking EVERYBODY has character issues simply because they don't do exactly what you want?

 

[Thelonious]

Sure, I mean, replacing an All-Pro corner is easy. They grow on trees.

Plus, what's with you thinking EVERYBODY has character issues simply because they don't do exactly what you want?

1) No one is so good they should be irresponsibly overpaid, and the return for trading him would offer the prospect of multiple excellent players in return. Such a return would arguably be of greater value to a team still in a rebuild, thin at many positions, than a single shiny object like a top CB. We have already wasted far too much of an aging WR than is wise to meet the emotional needs of such fanboys as yourself. Let's not compound that error by overpaying wildly to appease your need for similar titillation at the CB position.

2) He is worth what he is worth. That he seems to be sort of a passive/aggressive ******* should certainly be a factor in his value to any team. My view, that 32M is a reasonable ceiling for what we should pay him, shows that I do not overvalue this deficit in his value. 32M is a lot of dough. That you choose to ignore he character flaws merely shows that your need for flashy acquisitions prevents you from thinking in a comprehensively rational manner about player acquisition generally.

 

[n1997y]

1) No one is so good they should be irresponsibly overpaid, and the return for trading him would offer the prospect of multiple excellent players in return. Such a return would arguably be of greater value to a team still in a rebuild, thin at many positions, than a single shiny object like a top CB. We have already wasted far too much of an aging WR than is wise to meet the emotional needs of such fanboys as yourself. Let's not compound that error by overpaying wildly to appease your need for similar titillation at the CB position.

2) He is worth what he is worth. That he seems to be sort of a passive/aggressive ******* should certainly be a factor in his value to any team. My view, that 32M is a reasonable ceiling for what we should pay him, shows that I do not overvalue this deficit in his value. 32M is a lot of dough. That you choose to ignore he character flaws merely shows that your need for flashy acquisitions prevents you from thinking in a comprehensively rational manner about player acquisition generally.

On what evidence do you base that statement? I’ve not seen anything that I’d characterize in such terms. What I see is a low key private individual who does his job and lets the results speak. Where’s the passive-aggressive behavior, other than in your mind?

 

[Thelonious]

On what evidence do you base that statement? I’ve not seen anything that I’d characterize in such terms. What I see is a low key private individual who does his job and lets the results speak. Where’s the passive-aggressive behavior, other than in your mind?

On the evidence of his behavior, which seems to me at least narcissistic and asinine. The oniy opinion I am able honestly to offer, I'm afraid, is my own.. If that is a problem for you, it is a problem with no solution. Perhaps you are fond of such people; perhaps you find them trustworthy, even admirable. I do not. I will again remind that I have supported paying him 32 million dollars a year. If either you or he regards this as somehow insulting, you are simply to that extent delusional.

 

[mgteich]

$35M/year is top of the market for CB and Gonzo deserves it. Especially if its an extension, instead of new contract, allowing us to still have him at reduced cap number for next 2 years.

His current cap number for the next 2 years is $3M and $18M. How does your suggestion give us Gonzo at a reduced cap number?

Or should players under contract always simply insist on market rates even if they have a contract commits them for 2 or 3 more years?

To be more clear, the free agent market for top WR's seems to be $35M or so. Should all top WR's not being paid that refuse to play until they get more?

 

[TommyD4207]

On what evidence do you base that statement? I’ve not seen anything that I’d characterize in such terms. What I see is a low key private individual who does his job and lets the results speak. Where’s the passive-aggressive behavior, other than in your mind?

You know where it is.
Let's just say, he's not the first-guy-in-last-guy-out, brings-his-lunch-pail-to-work kind of player - in his mind.

 

[TommyD4207]

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[RxJock1120]

His current cap number for the next 2 years is $3M and $18M. How does your suggestion give us Gonzo at a reduced cap number?

Or should players under contract always simply insist on market rates even if they have a contract commits them for 2 or 3 more years?

To be more clear, the free agent market for top WR's seems to be $35M or so. Should all top WR's not being paid that refuse to play until they get more?

Well, hypothetically speaking, if he gets a 4 year 140M extension with a 60M signing bonus, he would play this year for 13M, next year for 28M and then remaining 4 years for about 30M per year, depending on structure if the deal.

 

[n1997y]

On the evidence of his behavior, which seems to me at least narcissistic and asinine. The oniy opinion I am able honestly to offer, I'm afraid, is my own.. If that is a problem for you, it is a problem with no solution. Perhaps you are fond of such people; perhaps you find them trustworthy, even admirable. I do not. I will again remind that I have supported paying him 32 million dollars a year. If either you or he regards this as somehow insulting, you are simply to that extent delusional.

So I ask for examples of behavior and you have none, other than asserting it’s your opinion that the observed behavior (observations that you cannot or will not describe) is “at least narcissistic and asinine”?

So, I’ll ask again, what is the behavior that you cite as evidence?

My only problem is that I cannot know what kind of person you have hallucinated, if you won’t share anything other than your judgement based on unspecified “evidence”. So I can’t tell if I’m fond of “such people” when they exist only in your head.

Speaking of only in your head, that’s also where the association exists that finds my questioning your characterization that he’s “passive aggressive” somehow indicates I feel your salary bound is somehow insulting. That’s crazier than my MIL. And she was batshit crazy.

 

[ViperGTS]

Not what he is gonna want. Thats actually why he hasn't signed yet imo.

 

[TommyD4207]

Not what he is gonna want. Thats actually why he hasn't signed yet imo.

Doesn't matter. Pay that man.
****ing around with his contract will set the franchise back, not only when it comes to replacing him, but when it comes to attracting free agents. People know they paid Milton Williams real money, and paid Carlton Davis real money. It's a change in dynamic from the last 30+ years of Kraft ownership. They also didn't pay Steph Diggs real money, but no one else has either. If they **** around with an all-pro's contract that they drafted - great in the community, one of the faces of the league (I don't see Patrick Surtain doing PSAs for league initiatives, for example) - people are watching that.

 

[slash83]

If you're GM - how much? $40 million for a corner?

I offer the going rate that’s on par with the best corners in football. It’s a lot but that’s where we’re at, long as the cap keeps going up so will salaries.

 

[neuronet]

On the evidence of his behavior, which seems to me at least narcissistic and asinine. The oniy opinion I am able honestly to offer, I'm afraid, is my own.. If that is a problem for you, it is a problem with no solution. Perhaps you are fond of such people; perhaps you find them trustworthy, even admirable. I do not. I will again remind that I have supported paying him 32 million dollars a year. If either you or he regards this as somehow insulting, you are simply to that extent delusional.

You didn’t answer the question

 

[mgteich]

Doesn't matter. Pay that man.
****ing around with his contract will set the franchise back, not only when it comes to replacing him, but when it comes to attracting free agents. People know they paid Milton Williams real money, and paid Carlton Davis real money. It's a change in dynamic from the last 30+ years of Kraft ownership. They also didn't pay Steph Diggs real money, but no one else has either. If they **** around with an all-pro's contract that they drafted - great in the community, one of the faces of the league (I don't see Patrick Surtain doing PSAs for league initiatives, for example) - people are watching that.

Is your point that the team chooses who to pay real money and that this fact will hurt when trying to attract free agents?

As you point out, the team is willing to pay free agents real money. As you say, the team chose not to pay Diggs and decided that trading for Brown made more sense.

Perhaps the team will extend Gonzo this year at $40M AAV and then extend Maye next year at $65M AAV. Or perhaps not. It is not at all clear what is right in planning cap strategy in developing new dynasty.

 

[TheRainMaker]

You trade him. Hate to say it but a boundary corner to me in the modern NFL isn't worth what it used to be. I know they still pay these guys but the time is coming that they will be devalued. Pass rush and safeties are the big items to me.

Even in today's game, it's extremely difficult to win playoff games with pedestrian CB play. The 49ers have lost two Super Bowl hoarding DL, but ignoring the secondary. During the 2019 season, Emmanuel Moseley was picked on all year and his bad play reared it's ugly head in the Super Bowl. He was in the wrong coverage when Mahomes threw up the miracle pass to Hill on a crucial 3rd and 15 with 7 minutes left. Had he been in his deep 3rd of the field (not cover 2), Mahomes is taking the sack and the 49ers are most likely winning the game with their 10 point lead. The 49ers somehow ended up losing by 11 points.

The Rams just traded for McDuffie because of how bad their secondary was all season and in the NFCCG.

Josh Allen is never going anywhere with that Bills defense.

Going back to the Pats history, they lost playoff games when their CB's were pedestrian: 2005, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2017. They won when it it was stellar: 2001, 2003, 2014, 2016, 2018.

If you don't want to pay Gonzalez, that's fine. But you'll have to be prepared for potential consequences if you can't replace him. Too many teams make that choice and replace these all pro's with pedestrian players just to save some money. Remember the Jets getting rid of Revis and drafting Dee Milliner? They were never the same.

I think the safeties are a unicorn teams will chase after seeing what the Seahawks have done.

If you're GM - how much? $40 million for a corner?

You do have to draw the line somewhere.

 

[Tobey]

On the evidence of his behavior, which seems to me at least narcissistic and asinine. The oniy opinion I am able honestly to offer, I'm afraid, is my own.. If that is a problem for you, it is a problem with no solution. Perhaps you are fond of such people; perhaps you find them trustworthy, even admirable. I do not. I will again remind that I have supported paying him 32 million dollars a year. If either you or he regards this as somehow insulting, you are simply to that extent delusional.

Maybe he's just a quiet, introverted guy. Somewhat like Stephon Gilmore.

 

[grux]

I hope the pats pay Gonzo the going rate for a top corner. We haven't had to pay a max contract and it is refreshing to pay one to a home grown player. If he wants crazy money that is a different conversation.