The Patriots Big Board at 4

[TomPatriot]

Hunter, Carter, trade, Campbell, McMillan.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Hunter
Carter
Campbell
Graham
Warren

 

[Rdforty2]

That's fine but not at #4. He'll never be a #1 wr but could end up a decent #2 depending on the situation.
You don't draft #2 wrs even in the top 15.

Who says he'll never be a WR1?

Puka Nacua and Stefon Diggs were Day 3 guys that have become WR1's. I know you can argue that you can find guys later - that's fine. But McMillan absolutely can become a WR1 in the league.

As far as taking a #2 WR in the top 10. The Bears just took Rome Odunze at 9 to be their WR2. Jaylen Waddle is a WR2 taken at 6. I dont think Chris Olave is a true WR1 and he went 11. Devonta Smith went 10. WR has become such an important and expensive position, and WR2 absolutely is worth a top 15 pick.

You certainly can argue whether he's worth the #4 pick. But I dont think you can argue that he has wr1 potential(whether you like him or not, the potential is there) or that wr2's aren't worth top 15 picks.

 

[Steve102]

Zo was talking about how the Giants signing Winston and Wilson will likely mean they are out on Sanders at 3. That's where Hunter will go, which is why the Pats moved forward with Diggs. So if it's Ward, Carter, Hunter and then the Pats, I think they'll find the trade value greatly diminished. I hope not, but you never know.

 

[Joey007]

I’ve seen people on Reddit try to throw Jalen Walker’s name in there.

Please please please no.

 

[bakes781]

Zo was talking about how the Giants signing Winston and Wilson will likely mean they are out on Sanders at 3. That's where Hunter will go, which is why the Pats moved forward with Diggs. So if it's Ward, Carter, Hunter and then the Pats, I think they'll find the trade value greatly diminished. I hope not, but you never know.

That's why I'd consider trading up to 2 for Carter.

 

[Steve102]

That's why I'd consider trading up to 2 for Carter.

I am really hoping there's a dance partner to move back a handful, like everyone else. If they can get an extra 2nd, that's where the strength of this draft is. Pick up BPA in R1, gimme Ozzy and Higgins in R2, assuming you don't take LT or WR in R1. Then gimme Tate Ratledge at #69. Double dip LT on day three.

 

[bakes781]

I am really hoping there's a dance partner to move back a handful, like everyone else. If they can get an extra 2nd, that's where the strength of this draft is. Pick up BPA in R1, gimme Ozzy and Higgins in R2, assuming you don't take LT or WR in R1. Then gimme Tate Ratledge at #69. Double dip LT on day three.

I think the strength is in the 3rd which is good that we have 2 picks but I'd love to add more lol

Here's a screen shot from a recent mock I did which to me is a perfect example.

The difference between Taylor(65) and Arroyo(102) is negligible.

 

[Rdforty2]

That's why I'd consider trading up to 2 for Carter.

It's not a bad idea in theory. But the cost would just be too high. If we needed one difference maker, pay the cost. But Carter doesn't even fill an obvious need. The cost to move up to #2 is 800 points on the draft chart. Just using that as a guide, 38 and 69 are 775 points. Even if they took just 38, I dont think your can justify it. That means we're waiting until the 3rd round again to address OT, which simply can't happen.

 

[manxman2601]

I think the strength is in the 3rd which is good that we have 2 picks but I'd love to add more lol

Here's a screen shot from a recent mock I did which to me is a perfect example.

The difference between Taylor(65) and Arroyo(102) is negligible.

I think the third is an excellent spot to get a pass rusher (Stewart, Swinson, Kennard), Trapilo if they want him or a WR if we haven't got one at that stage. The others I'd add are Treveyon Henderson if he falls ar a guard (Milum or Ratledge). Those are the players I'd be targeting in round 3.

 

[Rdforty2]

Zo was talking about how the Giants signing Winston and Wilson will likely mean they are out on Sanders at 3. That's where Hunter will go, which is why the Pats moved forward with Diggs. So if it's Ward, Carter, Hunter and then the Pats, I think they'll find the trade value greatly diminished. I hope not, but you never know.

There's many ways you can go with speculation on picks. Thats one way. But it's just as easily, and more likely to me, that the Giants realize the Browns are going Sanders at 2, so they had to get a QB.

The Patriots may think Hunter is going 3, so they pulled the trigger on Diggs. But, it's not like Diggs and Hunter can't co-exist. With similar body types, Diggs could be an excellent mentor for Hunter. Diggs played a lot more slot last year as well, meaning the two can easily be on the field together as well.

 

[manxman2601]

There's many ways you can go with speculation on picks. Thats one way. But it's just as easily, and more likely to me, that the Giants realize the Browns are going Sanders at 2, so they had to get a QB.

The Patriots may think Hunter is going 3, so they pulled the trigger on Diggs. But, it's not like Diggs and Hunter can't co-exist. With similar body types, Diggs could be an excellent mentor for Hunter. Diggs played a lot more slot last year as well, meaning the two can easily be on the field together as well.

FWIW, Schefter is now saying the Browns are going Carter. However, until this week he'd been saying Shedeur.

 

[Steve102]

There's many ways you can go with speculation on picks. Thats one way. But it's just as easily, and more likely to me, that the Giants realize the Browns are going Sanders at 2, so they had to get a QB.

The Patriots may think Hunter is going 3, so they pulled the trigger on Diggs. But, it's not like Diggs and Hunter can't co-exist. With similar body types, Diggs could be an excellent mentor for Hunter. Diggs played a lot more slot last year as well, meaning the two can easily be on the field together as well.

The can co-exist, to be sure. But the way it was framed (my interpretation of Zo's comments) were that The Giants were taking Hunter so they needed to move on Diggs and not miss out on both.

Maybe I missed the subtlety of it, but I am fairly certain the intimation was that Sanders was going to drop. You could be correct, however, your scenario makes good sense, too. That would mean Carter is there at #4, and they'd have a trade partner for him for sure.

 

[jimnance]

Who says he'll never be a WR1?

Puka Nacua and Stefon Diggs were Day 3 guys that have become WR1's. I know you can argue that you can find guys later - that's fine. But McMillan absolutely can become a WR1 in the league.

As far as taking a #2 WR in the top 10. The Bears just took Rome Odunze at 9 to be their WR2. Jaylen Waddle is a WR2 taken at 6. I dont think Chris Olave is a true WR1 and he went 11. Devonta Smith went 10. WR has become such an important and expensive position, and WR2 absolutely is worth a top 15 pick.

You certainly can argue whether he's worth the #4 pick. But I dont think you can argue that he has wr1 potential(whether you like him or not, the potential is there) or that wr2's aren't worth top 15

Tet is a slow, jump ball guy.
Has good quickness but no speed.
No explosiveness.
Watch enough tape of both Hunter and Tet and the huge difference in ability is glaring.
I agree 100% with Steve Smith, who's as good a wr evaluator as exists on earth.
" a good, not great wr".
Tet is a wr#1 only on a team with a crappy wr#2. He's limited. To me, he's late 1st round talent.

 

[Rdforty2]

Tet is a slow, jump ball guy.
Has good quickness but no speed.
No explosiveness.
Watch enough tape of both Hunter and Tet and the huge difference in ability is glaring.
I agree 100% with Steve Smith, who's as good a wr evaluator as exists on earth.
" a good, not great wr".
Tet is a wr#1 only on a team with a crappy wr#2. He's limited. To me, he's late 1st round talent.

That goes both ways. Sure, when you look at Hunter compared to McMillan, speed stands out in favor of Hunter. But when you look at the two, there's another glaring difference, and it favors McMillan. McMillan dwarfs Hunter. Hunter couldn't guard McMillan without holding him when they matched up.

Hunters speed and big play ability do stand out. But they'd also stand out against Nacua, St. Brown, London, Brown, Adams, etc.

Big play ability/speed isn't the only way to be a WR1.

McMillan is no "slower" than Davante Adams, Drake London, Tee Higgins, etc.

I'm not arguing where he goes in the draft. Everyone can have their opinion. But he definitely has the physical tools to be a WR1. There are guys not in the same world physically that have done it. Whether you say hes #4 or #25, that's still big time ability and he absolutely could be a WR1 in the right situation. Nacua and St Brown haven't become big time because of their raw speed.

 

[manxman2601]

1. Tet is absolutely a good receiver and would be a no 1 for us.
2. No he's not elite but newsflash, outside of Carter, Hunter, Jeanty and possibly Warren, elite doesn't exist in this draft.
3. Tet should be a successful NFL WR with that size and catching range.
4. He should be in consideration for us at 4 because there aren't that many more prospects who would positively impact this team than Tet.
5. Obviously getting him after a trade back would be preferable.

 

[Rdforty2]

Tet is a slow, jump ball guy.
Has good quickness but no speed.
No explosiveness.
Watch enough tape of both Hunter and Tet and the huge difference in ability is glaring.
I agree 100% with Steve Smith, who's as good a wr evaluator as exists on earth.
" a good, not great wr".
Tet is a wr#1 only on a team with a crappy wr#2. He's limited. To me, he's late 1st round talent.

Steve Smith had Keon Coleman and Adonai Mitchell ahead of Brian Thomas last year. Nobody is perfect.

 

[zimmy]

I think Jalon Walker is an elite LB prospect, Warren is an elite TE prospect, Campbell is an elite OL prospect (just not at OT necessarily), and Graham is an elite DT prospect. I’d have them all ranked above Tet, who is a good WR prospect to me. The issue is that none of those are premium positions or are not glaring needs and so what is the real upside to the team.

 

[manxman2601]

Not if the LT position is as it was last year....he's never had to learn a McDaniels playbook, even a dumb-downed one. Hard to tell what is going on from the neck up.

That applies to any WR we draft.

 

[Clonamery]

That applies to any WR we draft.

Most.