What’s our plan at Wide Receiver?

[Hugepatsfan]

2 players with similar talent levels each with significant downsides
Ones a LT one is a WR
Both are positional needs, i think Vrabel would want to try to plug that giant LT hole first.

That's fair, but they're going to do an actual scouting analysis on that. They won't just surface level characterize it like this here. They'll actually make an assessment of the talent levels and downsides. People here just solely go off of position without actually talking about the quality of player at all.

 

[imahobgoblin]

And if we draft a player who isn't good enough to be a starting left tackle then we still don't have one. Drafting a player at a position doesn't fix that position unless the guy can play.

If they think that Campbell or any other LT prospect is going to be good there, then that should be the pick. But there are very real concerns about this OT class. Campbell and Banks are widely considered as guys who might need to move inside. Membou is a career RT who, even if he does end up a good LT, is likely going to be raw there so unlikely to be a day 1 fix that everyone wants anyway. Simmons will likely be a medical redshirt rookie so doesn't do anything to address the immediate need everyone wants to reach for anyway. The other guys are all considered day 2 prospects who could get pushed into round 1 because of desperation at the position, not because of their own individual merits.

You can't just manifest a starting LT. There's a very real chance none are out there in this class. You can't just bury your head in the sand on that. You know what's worse than having no starting LT? Not having a starting LT even after you used your top draft pick on one.

If they don't sign someone, they have no choice but to draft one. Thats my point. The class stinks, but there is value in round 3. I understand what you are saying, but they HAVE to take one or even two.

 

[Toofy]

2 players with similar talent levels each with significant downsides
Ones a LT one is a WR
Both are positional needs, i think Vrabel would want to try to plug that giant LT hole first.

At least bust potential with Campbell is less than tet. That alone makes him worthy of pick 4. If Hunter or Carter are not there at 4, it's going to be Campbell . He will turn out to at least be an adequate LG. Treat this years pick 4 as pick 14 due to quality of draft class and don't overthink. We would be happy with Campbell at 14 and no need to trade down and lose Campbell, membou and McMillan for a measly 3rd round pick.

And then trade back up with Vikings using our 2nd , 3rd and 6th rounder for pick 21 to pick up conerly Jr. That way we have backup plans for OT and can build a solid line for this year while allowing few extra seconds for receivers to run.

 

[captain stone]

I think it's all about the core guys this year. They aren't bringing in a me first guy at any position, and that's hard to do at WR.

If that’s a significant criterion of being signed here, then expect nothing but more Crap like Hollins at WR.

 

[Steve102]

If that’s a significant criterion of being signed here, then expect nothing but more Crap like Hollins at WR.

I think for this year, yup.

 

[Salsalife]

And if we draft a player who isn't good enough to be a starting left tackle then we still don't have one. Drafting a player at a position doesn't fix that position unless the guy can play.

If they think that Campbell or any other LT prospect is going to be good there, then that should be the pick. But there are very real concerns about this OT class. Campbell and Banks are widely considered as guys who might need to move inside. Membou is a career RT who, even if he does end up a good LT, is likely going to be raw there so unlikely to be a day 1 fix that everyone wants anyway. Simmons will likely be a medical redshirt rookie so doesn't do anything to address the immediate need everyone wants to reach for anyway. The other guys are all considered day 2 prospects who could get pushed into round 1 because of desperation at the position, not because of their own individual merits.

You can't just manifest a starting LT. There's a very real chance none are out there in this class. You can't just bury your head in the sand on that. You know what's worse than having no starting LT? Not having a starting LT even after you used your top draft pick on one.

Pretty harsh assessment considering his 3 years of tape.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Does Mike Vrabel seem like a guy who would take Tet over Campbell at 4?
I did not think so

Maybe the problem with our organization. Not putting enough value into offense and skilled positions. We got away with it when we had Tom Brady, but can’t anymore. Our offense is been ranked anywhere from 29-32nd dead last in the nfl the past 3 years.

Why draft Drake Maye if we’re not going to put any resources into his development?

 

[Ray Ray 717]

2 players with similar talent levels each with significant downsides
Ones a LT one is a WR
Both are positional needs, i think Vrabel would want to try to plug that giant LT hole first.

Sure

What LT is worth drafting at 4 overall? And for gods sake please don’t name the gator armed Campbell

 

[n1997y]

When you build a house you typically start with the foundation.

No No No......When you build a house you have to start with wide receivers every general contractor knows that

At least five of them WR1. Ideally six. Otherwise your house will not stand.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

At least bust potential with Campbell is less than tet. That alone makes him worthy of pick

That’s insane logic for the 4th overall pick. You want a STUD genetic freak at a premium position with this pick, a guy who can score touchdowns or sack the QB

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Love this from Vrabel. He’s adapting with the times, cares about Drake’s development

 

[captain stone]

That's fair, but they're going to do an actual scouting analysis on that. They won't just surface level characterize it like this here. They'll actually make an assessment of the talent levels and downsides. People here just solely go off of position without actually talking about the quality of player at all.

Uhhh… What?

 

[dliverey44]

At least bust potential with Campbell is less than tet. That alone makes him worthy of pick 4. If Hunter or Carter are not there at 4, it's going to be Campbell . He will turn out to at least be an adequate LG. Treat this years pick 4 as pick 14 due to quality of draft class and don't overthink. We would be happy with Campbell at 14 and no need to trade down and lose Campbell, membou and McMillan for a measly 3rd round pick.

And then trade back up with Vikings using our 2nd , 3rd and 6th rounder for pick 21 to pick up conerly Jr. That way we have backup plans for OT and can build a solid line for this year while allowing few extra seconds for receivers to run.

The Vikings have pick 24(740), picks 38 and 69(765) can get us as high as 23 according to Jimmy Johnson trade chart. Currently Minnesota only has 3 picks. I really wonder if they are going to try and trade McCarthy. If not they may be interested in picking up 38 and 69.

I would love for them to get Josh Simmons but I have a feeling that he goes in the teens. I have seen reference to Membou playing LT and I don't think its completely out of the realm of possibility. JC Latham played RT at Alabama but was taken at pick 7 to play LT and he did relatively well for a rook.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

If that’s a significant criterion of being signed here, then expect nothing but more Crap like Hollins at WR.

But but but I hear Mack is a team first guy lol

sounds like bitter old Steve only prefers Boy Scouts at wide receiver, instead of actual talent…kind of like all the former patriots scouts who sucked so badly at evaluating the position. Meanwhile other teams draft for talent and land studs for their young QBs

 

[dliverey44]

I feel like Hollins is being severely underrated by most on here. Dude gets open and catches the ball well, he is a good blocker and excels on the scramble drill. He has experience with McD, so if nothing else he should be able to help the younger WRs.

Because he is not a big name or never been at top 30 guy does not mean he won't be an asset.

 

[VJCPatriot]

It's more likely that Cooper has reached the cliff in his career, but it's possible that there is a buy low opportunity for a career resurgence. Keenan Allen was written off after his down 2022 season only to have arguably his best season at age 31 in 2023. Allen was on pace for 141-1625-9 in 17 games but a heel injury took him out for the final 4 games. Allen in his prime was one of the best WRs of his generation, and I'd put prime Cooper in a tier below that, but Cooper had 7 seasons over 1000 yards before age 30 which is nothing to sneeze at.

I would be ok with Cooper on a 1 year prove it deal. But no big money for a guy who looked Washed and on the wrong side of 30 last season.

Our best chance at a legit WR looks like the draft or a trade for Aiyuk right now. But Aiyuk has an injury questionmark so SF would have to eat some of that money, maybe 1/3 the salary to make the gamble worth taking on his contract.

 

[Uptown]

While I like T-Mac & think he’ll be a nice player in the league, I have zero interest in him at #4. I personally want Hunter or Golden/Egbuka in the event of a trade down/back up into the first. Each of these 3 receivers are tailor-made for our offense; being that they can all create easy separation with great hands. Then after that, I have Higgins, Noel, Harris with maybe Bech & Royals in the later rounds. I have a feeling Houston will definitely be eyeing both Egbuka & Golden (both Texas guys & Egbuka actually played with Stroud at OSU).

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I feel like Hollins is being severely underrated by most on here. Dude gets open and catches the ball well, he is a good blocker and excels on the scramble drill. He has experience with McD, so if nothing else he should be able to help the younger WRs.

Because he is not a big name or never been at top 30 guy does not mean he won't be an asset.

Here we go again, scraping from the bottom of the barrel and trying to justify them as passable nfl receivers. How many more years will Drake Maye have to suffer and how many years will we have to put up with 32nd rated red zone offense until our FO gets a swift kick in the ass and finally invests in a premium NFL wide receiver.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Take Curran with a grain of salt, but his report that Pats were wary of the demands a vet like Adams would put on a young QB certainly rules out a *****y diva like Diggs as well

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Take Curran with a grain of salt, but his report that Pats were wary of the demands a vet like Adams would put on a young QB certainly rules out a *****y diva like Diggs as well

That’s fine, as long as they grab a WR in the first round. If they go into next season with their biggest “splash” WR move to be Mack Hollins, expect another last place finish.