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Every single analyst had him at #1.

He was ranked #1 and he went first in mocks.

You could argue Hunter, but most have expressed they see him as a corner first. If you want to argue semantics about he's wr2 on some boards because Hunter is ranked 1 in some, that's fine.

But until the combine, McMillan was the top non Hunter wr on every website you looked at. Prior to the combine, you're judging based on what you see watching him.

As for the rest of your post all I have to say is - Drake London. The exact same situation.


This was the first link that I clicked on. Jeremiah has Hunter ranked number 1 overall and Tet number 16. Hunter is his number 1 receiver and CB.

Many of the "analysts" rank Hunter as a CB only, either because of his official designation at the combine or because they feel that will be his best position in the NFL and, therefore, don't rank him at all as a wide receiver. That doesn't mean that he isn't the top wide receiver for some of those analysts. It simply means that they have made a decision to not rank him at two positions.

Most importantly, Karen Guregian reported last week that Hunter is their number 1 ranked CB and WR.

He must think that comparing him to Drake London would make me reconsider my stance about not taking him at 4. It doesn't. You clearly have a higher opinion of London than I do.
 
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This what was the first link that I clicked on. Jeremiah has Hunter ranked number 1 overall and Tet number 16. Hunter is his number 1 receiver and CB.

Many of the "analysts" rank Hunter as a CB only, either because of his official designation at the combine or because they feel that will be his best position in the NFL and, therefore, don't rank him at all as a wide receiver. That doesn't mean that he isn't the top wide receiver for some of those analysts. It simply means that they have made a decision to not rank him at two positions.

Most importantly, Karen Guregian reported last week that Hunter is their number 1 ranked CB and WR.

He must think that comparing him to Drake London would make me reconsider my stance about not taking him at 4. It doesn't. You clearly have a higher opinion of London than I do.
I guess you were so ready to go on a rant you glanced over that I said he was rhe wr1 before declining to work out. That refers to before the combine. When all we had was film. Those are current ranks. I also said that it depends on how you want to view Hunter. I clarified that McMillan was the highest ranked non Hunter wide receiver. And even on the lists you posted post combine, McMillan is the top non Hunter WR on all of them. So not sure what posting that is suppose to mean.


As for the London situation, the point is, the closest comp for McMillan did the exact same thing. He had speed concerns, sat out the combine, still went top 10 and has become a very good NFL WR. We'd all be ecstatic to have Drake London on our roster.
 
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I guess you were so ready to go on a rant you glanced over that I said he was rhe wr1 before declining to work out. That refers to before the combine. When all we had was film. Those are current ranks. I also said that it depends on how you want to view Hunter. I clarified that McMillan was the highest ranked non Hunter wide receiver. And even on the lists you posted post combine, McMillan is the top non Hunter WR on all of them. So not sure what posting that is suppose to mean.


As for the London situation, the point is, the closest comp for McMillan did the exact same thing. He had speed concerns, sat out the combine, still went top 10 and has become a very good NFL WR. We'd all be ecstatic to have Drake London on our roster.
Oh, now only pre-combine rankings matter, even though most people did not expect McMillan to run at the combine. Got it. Don't hurt your back moving those goalposts and don't hold your breath about the Pats taking him at 4.
 
Oh, now only pre-combine rankings matter, even though most people did not expect McMillan to run at the combine. Got it. Don't hurt your back moving those goalposts and don't hold your breath about the Pats taking him at 4.
Man, you have issues. I'm not going to waste much more time on you, because you're clearly lost.

I've said it multiple times, I lean Campbell at 4. But you do you and think I'm pushing for Tet.
 

PFF

WR1. TETAIROA MCMILLAN, ARIZONA

Big board rank: 3

McMillan has All-Pro potential because of his length, athleticism and football intelligence. He's a smooth criminal of a receiver who was the focal point of Arizona's offense. He is a unique talent who deserves to be considered in the top 10 of the 2025 NFL Draft.

 

PFF

WR1. TETAIROA MCMILLAN, ARIZONA

Big board rank: 3

McMillan has All-Pro potential because of his length, athleticism and football intelligence. He's a smooth criminal of a receiver who was the focal point of Arizona's offense. He is a unique talent who deserves to be considered in the top 10 of the 2025 NFL Draft.


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I'm not asking for a guard. I want a LT... You casting aspersions at Will Campbell trying to denigrate him as only a "mere guard" doesn't make him a "guard" ... If the only way you can make your point is to do that, well, that says a lot about the strength of your argument.

What does the tape show you? It shows that he gets the job done versus the best competition in College Football... At Left Tackle.

The idea of building the line through Free Agency, through mid round draft picks? I gotta ask... Have you been paying attention for the last 6 years? That is exactly what we have been doing... And the results? Well the culmination of that experiment were on full display this past year... The results? Our Line has been described as the "worst offensive line" in the NFL...

Whats the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results... You sure that is the position you want to advocate?

and I will add if the "Guard" is good enough, you do take him at 4....



Campbell has all the bullet points you'd want to push an offensive lineman to the top of the rankings -- A five-star high school recruit, started at OT for LSU as a freshman, 2023 AlI-SEC, 2024 Consensus All-American, 2x Team Captain, got his degree in three years, and has good blocking grades and didn't give up many sacks. It seems like a layup that he's a top OL prospect.

But for all that acclaim, what he demonstrates on tape was different. You don’t see this highly gifted, shutdown OT. You see a solid college OT that is probably going to have to move to guard -- because when you watch him against better, quicker/NFL-level pass rushers, he struggled to keep up. Sure, he walled off the weaker college pass rushers off the EDGE...but better pass rushers gave him fits. The one game that stands out, in my mind, was watching Campbell against Texas A&M 2024...against one of the better EDGE rusher prospects in this year's draft, Nic Scourton. There were so many pass protection snaps where Scourton was just too quick for Campbell...either just flat out whipped around the outside of him or Scourton went straight at him, moved him back then did a spin move and left Campbell stuck in molasses as Scourton darted into the backfield.Scourton did a spin move and left Campbell stuck in molasses as Scourton darted into the backfield.

Most of the great moves Scourton put on Campbell resulted in a near-miss sack, or the play went the other way, or the QB bailed the other direction or Campbell got in a late/desperate shove and held Scourton off that one more second...or Campbell just had to flat out 'hold' Scourton (and Campbell never seemed to get called for a penalty). If you watch the film, you’ll see some of the same issues with Campbell vs. South Carolina, and Alabama, and USC.

And it's not that Campbell was terrible and just constantly getting beaten on snaps. No, he has pretty good feet and when he gets into position and anticipates/dances with the EDGE, Campbell can hold his own. Campbell is well trained and has good feet...he'll do OK most snaps. But you don’t see any dominance...I did not see anything elite here. I just saw 'OK' or 'good'..and that's not a bad thing, it's just not a top 10 pick or anywhere close to it type of thing at 4th overall. Not bad in pass protection, but susceptible to speed rushers. Pretty good run blocker, but not amazing.

Honestly, between the tape and historically bad 32 5/8 inch arms (7th percentile) he's going to be better suited as a Guard in the NFL. And 'Good' Guards are not top 5 overall picks in a draft."

Yes, this is a position I want to advocate. Is this a position you still want to defend?

Thanks for the John Hannah photo…not sure what it means. He was drafted 50 years ago in a different NFL. Would you like me to post a picture of all the wide receivers who were drafted at 4th overall that became nfl hall of famers?
 
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Wrong thread.
 
Campbell has all the bullet points you'd want to push an offensive lineman to the top of the rankings -- A five-star high school recruit, started at OT for LSU as a freshman, 2023 AlI-SEC, 2024 Consensus All-American, 2x Team Captain, got his degree in three years, and has good blocking grades and didn't give up many sacks. It seems like a layup that he's a top OL prospect.

But for all that acclaim, what he demonstrates on tape was different. You don’t see this highly gifted, shutdown OT. You see a solid college OT that is probably going to have to move to guard -- because when you watch him against better, quicker/NFL-level pass rushers, he struggled to keep up. Sure, he walled off the weaker college pass rushers off the EDGE...but better pass rushers gave him fits. The one game that stands out, in my mind, was watching Campbell against Texas A&M 2024...against one of the better EDGE rusher prospects in this year's draft, Nic Scourton. There were so many pass protection snaps where Scourton was just too quick for Campbell...either just flat out whipped around the outside of him or Scourton went straight at him, moved him back then did a spin move and left Campbell stuck in molasses as Scourton darted into the backfield.Scourton did a spin move and left Campbell stuck in molasses as Scourton darted into the backfield.

Most of the great moves Scourton put on Campbell resulted in a near-miss sack, or the play went the other way, or the QB bailed the other direction or Campbell got in a late/desperate shove and held Scourton off that one more second...or Campbell just had to flat out 'hold' Scourton (and Campbell never seemed to get called for a penalty). If you watch the film, you’ll see some of the same issues with Campbell vs. South Carolina, and Alabama, and USC.

And it's not that Campbell was terrible and just constantly getting beaten on snaps. No, he has pretty good feet and when he gets into position and anticipates/dances with the EDGE, Campbell can hold his own. Campbell is well trained and has good feet...he'll do OK most snaps. But you don’t see any dominance...I did not see anything elite here. I just saw 'OK' or 'good'..and that's not a bad thing, it's just not a top 10 pick or anywhere close to it type of thing at 4th overall. Not bad in pass protection, but susceptible to speed rushers. Pretty good run blocker, but not amazing.

Honestly, between the tape and historically bad 32 5/8 inch arms (7th percentile) he's going to be better suited as a Guard in the NFL. And 'Good' Guards are not top 5 overall picks in a draft."

Yes, this is a position I want to advocate. Is this a position you still want to defend?

Thanks for the John Hannah photo…not sure what it means. He was drafted 50 years ago in a different NFL. Would you like me to post a picture of all the wide receivers who were drafted at 4th overall that became nfl hall of famers?
All valid points. This is why I'd rather not reach for Campbell at #4. If he can't hold his own against elite pass rushers, which he will see a lot of at the NFL level, it's better to kick him inside to guard where his limitations won't be exposed. But at that point you used a top 5 pick on a guard which does not make sense to me as the best use of a premium draft pick.

I'd rather roll the dice on a high impact position such as WR prospect T-Mac if we can't trade down. If we trade down in the 6-10 range, that would be better for stockpiling picks. This would allow us to take T-Mac first and then a LT prospect in the late 1st by trading back up.
 

PFF

WR1. TETAIROA MCMILLAN, ARIZONA

Big board rank: 3

McMillan has All-Pro potential because of his length, athleticism and football intelligence. He's a smooth criminal of a receiver who was the focal point of Arizona's offense. He is a unique talent who deserves to be considered in the top 10 of the 2025 NFL Draft.

Using PFF as a reference for draft pick rankings is your first mistake. "Deserves to be considered in the top 10"? Sure. 3rd on their big board. No way.
 
Campbell has all the bullet points you'd want to push an offensive lineman to the top of the rankings -- A five-star high school recruit, started at OT for LSU as a freshman, 2023 AlI-SEC, 2024 Consensus All-American, 2x Team Captain, got his degree in three years, and has good blocking grades and didn't give up many sacks. It seems like a layup that he's a top OL prospect.

But for all that acclaim, what he demonstrates on tape was different. You don’t see this highly gifted, shutdown OT. You see a solid college OT that is probably going to have to move to guard -- because when you watch him against better, quicker/NFL-level pass rushers, he struggled to keep up. Sure, he walled off the weaker college pass rushers off the EDGE...but better pass rushers gave him fits. The one game that stands out, in my mind, was watching Campbell against Texas A&M 2024...against one of the better EDGE rusher prospects in this year's draft, Nic Scourton. There were so many pass protection snaps where Scourton was just too quick for Campbell...either just flat out whipped around the outside of him or Scourton went straight at him, moved him back then did a spin move and left Campbell stuck in molasses as Scourton darted into the backfield.Scourton did a spin move and left Campbell stuck in molasses as Scourton darted into the backfield.

Most of the great moves Scourton put on Campbell resulted in a near-miss sack, or the play went the other way, or the QB bailed the other direction or Campbell got in a late/desperate shove and held Scourton off that one more second...or Campbell just had to flat out 'hold' Scourton (and Campbell never seemed to get called for a penalty). If you watch the film, you’ll see some of the same issues with Campbell vs. South Carolina, and Alabama, and USC.

And it's not that Campbell was terrible and just constantly getting beaten on snaps. No, he has pretty good feet and when he gets into position and anticipates/dances with the EDGE, Campbell can hold his own. Campbell is well trained and has good feet...he'll do OK most snaps. But you don’t see any dominance...I did not see anything elite here. I just saw 'OK' or 'good'..and that's not a bad thing, it's just not a top 10 pick or anywhere close to it type of thing at 4th overall. Not bad in pass protection, but susceptible to speed rushers. Pretty good run blocker, but not amazing.

Honestly, between the tape and historically bad 32 5/8 inch arms (7th percentile) he's going to be better suited as a Guard in the NFL. And 'Good' Guards are not top 5 overall picks in a draft."

Yes, this is a position I want to advocate. Is this a position you still want to defend?

Thanks for the John Hannah photo…not sure what it means. He was drafted 50 years ago in a different NFL. Would you like me to post a picture of all the wide receivers who were drafted at 4th overall that became nfl hall of famers?
4 sacks in three years in the sec? yeah... i'll take that, 24/7/365...

you bring up nic scourton, the texas a&m game? you know, wasn't his best game... but he still ate nic scourtons lunch that day, didn't he? looked like shemar stewart gave him more competition... but he still got his t-rex arms all up into their pads, didn't he? the only sack credit he got came off the right side of the line, no?

So yes, if that is all you have, drafting him at 4 is a position i will advocate...because at least he doesn't disappear in games unlike Tet... who gets shut down versus... wait for it because its ridiculous - Northern Arizona...

Liked the pic of Hannah? yeah, thought it was rather poignant, considering you ****ting all over and bemoaning "Guards" that the second best player ever drafted by this team was a "Guard" taken with the 4th overall pick...

and yes, Please post pictures of the WR's the Patriots have drafted - and you don't even have to restrict yourself to the first round, use the whole draft - who are in the HoF... oops...
 
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The one game that stands out, in my mind, was watching Campbell against Texas A&M 2024...against one of the better EDGE rusher prospects in this year's draft, Nic Scourton. There were so many pass protection snaps where Scourton was just too quick for Campbell...either just flat out whipped around the outside of him or Scourton went straight at him, moved him back then did a spin move and left Campbell stuck in molasses as Scourton darted into the backfield.Scourton did a spin move and left Campbell stuck in molasses as Scourton darted into the backfield.

Most of the great moves Scourton put on Campbell resulted in a near-miss sack, or the play went the other way, or the QB bailed the other direction or Campbell got in a late/desperate shove and held Scourton off that one more second...or Campbell just had to flat out 'hold' Scourton (and Campbell never seemed to get called for a penalty).



I don't doubt that you are more adept at breaking down OL film than I am but if this is your best evidence against Campbell, you don't have a very strong case against him staying at tackle, in my opinion. In terms of holding penalties not being called, every tackle gets away with multiple holds every game. In the snaps shown in the video, I did not see any egregious holding penalties that went uncalled. I'm sorry, but you don't go 24 consecutive games in the SEC without giving up a sack because of luck (you get beaten by the edge rusher but the quarterback releases the pass before he can record the sack) and/or uncalled holds

Scar (who surely has been asking to assess the top OL prospects in this draft) and Marrone, among others on the current staff, have forgotten more about breaking down OL film than anyone here knows. They have watched every snap of Campbell's college career, likely more than once. The team has talked to all of his coaches at LSU, and probably his high school coach as well. They have also likely gave talked to some of the college DL coaches, DCs and head coaches (including a certain retire Bama coach) who faced LSU for their opinions about him.

If after all of that film study and checking all of those references, the Pats organization feels strongly that he can play OT in the NFL, I'm all aboard the Campbell at 4 train, if Carter and Hunter are gone.

If credible sources state that the regional scouts, the player personnel department and coaches are divided in terms of whether he is going to be a tackle or guard at the next level, then I will be nervous about taking him that high.
 
Liked the pic of Hannah? yeah, thought it was rather poignant, considering you ****ting all over and bemoaning "Guards" that the second best player ever drafted by this team was a "Guard" taken with the 4th overall pick...

and yes, Please post pictures of the WR's the Patriots have drafted - and you don't even have to restrict yourself to the first round, use the whole draft - who are in the HoF... oops...
You posted the picture of Hannah not to commend the man but in some lame attempt to insinuate Campbell could become another John Hannah, which is quite comical.

Who said I need to post pictures of WRs the patriots have drafted? How about I post every WR drafted in the top 5 overall in the draft? Quite a few great players on that list, wide receiver success rate is very high drafting top 5 overall.

Also you are trashing the patriots organization for sucking at drafting wide receivers and accepting it as a reason not to draft one. Here’s the problem right there, you don’t hold the patriots front office accountable for wide receiver failures and yet have high expectations for Drake Maye to succeed with JAGs?

By the way I’ll bite….in the past 40 years the patriots have drafted two wide receivers in the top 10

Irving Fryar
Terry Glenn

Fryar was a 5x pro bowler with 12,000 yard receiving (top 20 all time) and was selected to Patriots 50th anniversary team and 1980s all decade team.

Glenn set the NFL rookie record for receiving yards, was selected as a pro bowler as a patriot, and had 4 seasons of 1000 yards receiving. He was selected on the patriots 1990s all decade team

Seems to me like when the patriots do take a shot at a receiver in the top of the draft, they do just fine. As do many other teams. Yet you want them to go after a wide receiver in the 2nd or 3rd round where they are historically bad?
 
You posted the picture of Hannah not to commend the man but in some lame attempt to insinuate Campbell could become another John Hannah, which is quite comical.
No actually, i am way to blunt to try to insinuate anything like that. So way to miss the point, Einstein. I posted the pic to remind you that you are a ****ing idiot and don't know what the **** you are talking about when you **** all over the Guard position.
Who said I need to post pictures of WRs the patriots have drafted? How about I post every WR drafted in the top 5 overall in the draft? Quite a few great players on that list, wide receiver success rate is very high drafting top 5 overall.
Yeah, go ahead post those pics if you want... but they are irrelevant because they never played here. Another dumbass thought... I am shocked at this point
Also you are trashing the patriots organization for sucking at drafting wide receivers and accepting it as a reason not to draft one. Here’s the problem right there, you don’t hold the patriots front office accountable for wide receiver failures and yet have high expectations for Drake Maye to succeed with JAGs?
Yeah. me an everyone else. *yawn*

By the way I’ll bite….in the past 40 years the patriots have drafted two wide receivers in the top 10

Irving Fryar
Terry Glenn
Oh, when were they enshrined in Canton?
Fryar was a 5x pro bowler with 12,000 yard receiving (top 20 all time) and was selected to Patriots 50th anniversary team and 1980s all decade team.
jfc... just stop... ****ing pro bowls?dude you are bringing a swiss army knife with a broken blade to a gun fight at this point...

there's only one guy on the Patriots who can get into a pissing contest with Hannah's resume and come out on top.

Do Better.

Glenn set the NFL rookie record for receiving yards, was selected as a pro bowler as a patriot, and had 4 seasons of 1000 yards receiving. He was selected on the patriots 1990s all decade team
Yeah, she did well. Remind me, how many times was Glenn an All-Pro?

Seems to me like when the patriots do take a shot at a receiver in the top of the draft, they do just fine. As do many other teams. Yet you want them to go after a wide receiver in the 2nd or 3rd round where they are historically bad?
Seems to me when the Patriots take a "Guard" in the 4 hole, they do even better than fine.
 
just checked and he's not showing up next week.

Players scheduled to attend Big 12 Pro Day are listed below by school.

ArizonaJoeyCapraOL
ArizonaJonahSavaiinaeaOL
ArizonaJaredSmallLB
ArizonaQualiConleyRB
ArizonaJacoryCroskey-MerrittRB
ArizonaOwenGossDB
ArizonaMontanaLemonious-CraigWR
ArizonaJustinHollowayLong/Short Snapper
 
No actually, i am way to blunt to try to insinuate anything like that. So way to miss the point, Einstein. I posted the pic to remind you that you are a ****ing idiot and don't know what the **** you are talking about when you **** all over the Guard position.

Yeah, go ahead post those pics if you want... but they are irrelevant because they never played here. Another dumbass thought... I am shocked at this point

Yeah. me an everyone else. *yawn*


Oh, when were they enshrined in Canton?

jfc... just stop... ****ing pro bowls?dude you are bringing a swiss army knife with a broken blade to a gun fight at this point...

there's only one guy on the Patriots who can get into a pissing contest with Hannah's resume and come out on top.

Do Better.


Yeah, she did well. Remind me, how many times was Glenn an All-Pro?


Seems to me when the Patriots take a "Guard" in the 4 hole, they do even better than fine.
Yikes, all those F Bombs I had no idea I was dealing with such a tough guy. Or is it a tough woman? I’m sure you have an extensive background in combat sports and on the football field

I absolutely have every right to **** on the guard position when talking about a TOP 5 PICK. Your hero Dante Scar even said when picking in top 5, you grab a player who can score touchdowns or who can sack the QB. Campbell fits neither. If we polled every GM in the NFL, how many would draft a guard in the top 5?

Some of them are in canton. How are they irrelevant? The entire point of my argument is that historical WRs who are taken in the top 5 overall are usually hits and not misses. Also, plenty more WRs have been drafted in the top 5 than guards, which means the position is placed at a premium more so than guards.

Everyone else? I seem to have read many posters here do not want to draft Campbell at 4 overall if he can’t hack it as a left tackle in the NFL.

More tough guy talk. Have you ever carried a gun? Because I do for a living. You sound like a tool bag. Reminds me of Kellen Winslow comparing football players to soldiers.

No one is arguing against Hannah’s resume. But everyone else except you knows that Hannah ain’t walking through that door, and Will Campbell is no Hannah.

Yeah yeah ok Parcells the “she” talk, the guy set an NFL record for receiving yards that year. Not bad. We don’t make the superbowl without him.

Ah, so that’s your play. Using a reference that happened 50 years ago in a completely different NFL.

I’m here all day
 
So Tet McMillan is now becoming enigma: he won't participate in the Big 12 Pro day and he didn't run at the Combines. Guess he'll be there @ 38 now I sense a Big fall from grace.
 
just checked and he's not showing up next week.

Players scheduled to attend Big 12 Pro Day are listed below by school.

ArizonaJoeyCapraOL
ArizonaJonahSavaiinaeaOL
ArizonaJaredSmallLB
ArizonaQualiConleyRB
ArizonaJacoryCroskey-MerrittRB
ArizonaOwenGossDB
ArizonaMontanaLemonious-CraigWR
ArizonaJustinHollowayLong/Short Snapper
Probably been told by his agent where he will be drafted (as a floor). So why show up? Photo Op?
 


This was the first link that I clicked on. Jeremiah has Hunter ranked number 1 overall and Tet number 16. Hunter is his number 1 receiver and CB.

Many of the "analysts" rank Hunter as a CB only, either because of his official designation at the combine or because they feel that will be his best position in the NFL and, therefore, don't rank him at all as a wide receiver. That doesn't mean that he isn't the top wide receiver for some of those analysts. It simply means that they have made a decision to not rank him at two positions.

Most importantly, Karen Guregian reported last week that Hunter is their number 1 ranked CB and WR.

He must think that comparing him to Drake London would make me reconsider my stance about not taking him at 4. It doesn't. You clearly have a higher opinion of London than I do.
Teta Mc can't be number #2 now if we have nothing to go on. I think Burden and Golden are very risky in the First. Egbuka is looking like a safe pick.
 
So Tet McMillan is now becoming enigma: he won't participate in the Big 12 Pro day and he didn't run at the Combines. Guess he'll be there @ 38 now I sense a Big fall from grace.
Drake London didn't run at the combine, didn't run at a pro day. He got drafted 8th overall.
 
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