PATRIOTS NEWS Report: Robyn Glaser no longer with the organization (She Officially resigned)

[RobertWeathers]

I wonder if Vrabel told RK, if you hire me, she's gone, I hope he did.

Vrabes strikes me as being savvy enough to know when to be blunt and issue ultimatums and when to finesse his way around situations.

My belief is Vrabes absolutely had a conversation with BB so he knew all about Robyn Glaser from his PoV.

I think during the interviews with Bob and after Vrabes shared his vision, I think he asked Vrabes and Robyn to get together and see if there was alignment. From that meeting it was determined that Robyn did not have a role in the football ops side of the business. She might have went running to Bob who told her it is what it is. She then resigned.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I keep going back to the 30,000 foot view of things today. If you look at it from 30k now... Kept them here, built a stadium without tax money, hired the greatest coach ever, drafted the greatest QB ever, built Patriot Place and created jobs where there were none, increased the teams value by a chit ton and won 6 Super Bowls while taking part in 10 under his ownership. Meanwhile, people debate Tom V Bill all day long, while Kraft is over here going:

No question. I'll always be appreciative of Bob being a stabilizing, supportive owner who hired BB.

...but he has not made it easy to be as appreciative lately with all the BS from the last 10 years.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Guilty. I was wrong on that one. I changed my tune on it when Tedy insinuated that there were clueless people in charge.

Agreed. It made a lot of sense that she was just helping with contracts and helping Mayo in things that he was bad at.

 

[Ross12]

I think a lot of assumptions are being made. While I don't really blame anyone for figuring the Krafts were the ones telling Glaser what to do, I would also propose that there's a possibility it was the other way around - Glaser was in their ears telling them that things needed to change, get rid of Bill, cut some of this spending, if you do this then you'll get in the hall for sure, etc.

She's been around for a very long time and obviously had a lot of influence on both men. I can imagine a scenario where they finally decided to trust her and let her build her vision for things in 2024 starting with the firing of Belichick. Ultimately, it was a colossal train wreck, so Kraft nuked it all after one year. The only guy still hanging on is Wolf, who is probably on his last chance, with his potential replacement already on staff in Cowden.

 

[Steve102]

No question. I'll always be appreciative of Bob being a stabilizing, supportive owner who hired BB.

...but he has not made it easy to be as appreciative lately with all the BS from the last 10 years.

Yup. Just shut up Bob and write the checks.

 

[Steve102]

I think a lot of assumptions are being made. While I don't really blame anyone for figuring the Krafts were the ones telling Glaser what to do, I would also propose that there's a possibility it was the other way around - Glaser was in their ears telling them that things needed to change, get rid of Bill, cut some of this spending, if you do this then you'll get in the hall for sure, etc.

She's been around for a very long time and obviously had a lot of influence on both men. I can imagine a scenario where they finally decided to trust her and let her build her vision for things in 2024 starting with the firing of Belichick. Ultimately, it was a colossal train wreck, so Kraft nuked it all after one year. The only guy still hanging on is Wolf, who is probably on his last chance, with his potential replacement already on staff in Cowden.

Which, IMO anyway, makes Kraft a good owner. He realized his mistake and corrected it quickly.

 

[Ross12]

Which, IMO anyway, makes Kraft a good owner. He realized his mistake and corrected it quickly.

Right. If this was all "his call" I have a hard time seeing him reversing course so swiftly. But if it was at the direction of Glaser, it does make it make a bit more sense.

 

[signbabybrady]

Should have never fired Bill.

 

[maust]

Yup. Just shut up Bob and write the checks.

Or at the very least keep signing them and if he could quietly do it from the penthouse well that would just be great

 

[203Pat]

I know this is a continuation of this discussion over on the Sox and B's forums, but this is a well thought out response.

RKK is a really good owner from the aspect of he was smart enough to realize Bill Belichick had what it took to install a system that worked, and then they all lucked out when Tom Brady became what he became. I think the building of Gillette (with no tax payer funding) and the now little town he's put in at Patriot Place make him an excellent owner. That's what owners should be doing, not trying to play GM like Jerry Jones. Negotiate deals, run the thing from a business stand point but stay the hell out of football operations.

Where he fails as an owner is his lack of support on the various 'gates, instead opting to kiss the rings of the league and continue to make billions, with a capital B. I guess you could argue the point that makes him a good owner as well, because he kept the money flowing, but he did so as what cost to the brand and the participants involved? (trying to avoid this rabbit hole). Further, the divorce from Bill, the Apple Doc and the subsequent "I'm really the guy who made it all happen, put me in the HoF" nonsense is a lot of little man syndrome IMO. Just focus on fixing the mess at hand and let the HoF come calling when it's time, because he probably is a HoF owner if he turns it around and makes them a perennial playoff team again. He's kept the team here, leveraged his position and oversaw 6 banners getting hoisted. Stop trying to pat yourself on the back and just run it.

Your other takes are spot on.

Pretty much agree with all your reasons why he has been a good owner as well where he sold us short to keep the money flowing.

 

[203Pat]

Yeah, I too was shouted down by the people who insisted she was just a lawyer dotting the i's and crossing the t's and that she had nothing to do with football ops and that, oh by the way, she is so much more smarterer than I could ever possibly hope to be.

There was too much smoke to be no fire when it came to Glaser. She was with the org for close to 20 years, and no one knew who she was. Then, all of a sudden, the last year or so, her name is put out there, and she is given the title of vice president of football business and senior advisor to Mayo. The first thing I thought of was that anonymous comment from someone in Kraft's circle about how the Krafts wanted to get their team back from Bill. So, it seemed like they organized last year's power structure to run through them and their loyal underlings. I think said underling, was Glaser, who likely helped hasten Bill's exit. Like some have touched on in this thread, it seems pretty clear Robert is easily manipulated as of late and is letting some foxes in the henhouse.

 

[Bill Lee]

Certainly no one here could point to anything I've ever posted as being less than appreciative of Kraft's honest accomplishments. I do however think it is fair to wonder if during the course of the 20 year run of success he hadn't lost a bit off his fastball and bought into his own press a touch. Men are not without ego after all

I think the criticisms are fair, but the characterization of King seemed to take it a step too far. He probably should have realized from his Carrol / Greir days that Mayo / Wolf wasn't a good idea, yet he did admit it was a mistake and made a pretty strong course correction. This is not how Kings do things.

I keep going back to the 30,000 foot view of things today. If you look at it from 30k now... Kept them here, built a stadium without tax money, hired the greatest coach ever, drafted the greatest QB ever, built Patriot Place and created jobs where there were none, increased the teams value by a chit ton and won 6 Super Bowls while taking part in 10 under his ownership. Meanwhile, people debate Tom V Bill all day long, while Kraft is over here going:

I agree with most of what you wrote, but wouldn't give Bob much if any credit for drafting TB12. That all came down to QB coach **** Rehbein seeing something he liked in TB12 and pushing to get him onto the team via that sixth round pick. I doubt RKK had any idea who Brady was before the draft. IMO at best all we can say is RKK hired BB who put in a system that allowed **** Rehbein to get his voice heard.

 

[Bill Lee]

Should have never fired Bill.

All 32 teams had their chance to give Bill another HC job, but passed.

Sorry, but like all greats, their time passes.

If anything he should have been fired earlier, after showing up with no coaches then pulling Judge and Patricia out of his ass.

 

[Steve102]

I agree with most of what you wrote, but wouldn't give Bob much if any credit for drafting TB12. That all came down to QB coach **** Rehbein seeing something he liked in TB12 and pushing to get him onto the team via that sixth round pick. I doubt RKK had any idea who Brady was before the draft. IMO at best all we can say is RKK hired BB who put in a system that allowed **** Rehbein to get his voice heard.

Sure. I give credit for not being Al Davis or Jerry Jones and meddling in the football ops.

 

[Bill Lee]

There was too much smoke to be no fire when it came to Glaser. She was with the org for close to 20 years, and no one knew who she was. Then, all of a sudden, the last year or so, her name is put out there, and she is given the title of vice president of football business and senior advisor to Mayo. The first thing I thought of was that anonymous comment from someone in Kraft's circle about how the Krafts wanted to get their team back from Bill. So, it seemed like they organized last year's power structure to run through them and their loyal underlings. I think said underling, was Glaser, who likely helped hasten Bill's exit. Like some have touched on in this thread, it seems pretty clear Robert is easily manipulated as of late and is letting some foxes in the henhouse.

Sure, if you say so.

 

[RobertWeathers]

All 32 teams had their chance to give Bill another HC job, but passed.

Sorry, but like all greats, their time passes.

If anything he should have been fired earlier, after showing up with no coaches then pulling Judge and Patricia out of his ass.

I was still in Bill's corner up until the decision/outcome in making Patricia OC and Judge QB coach. I hated it. That was the beginning of the end.

Even then if they pull out very winnable games vs LV and Cincy maybe Bill survives 2023?

Either way as we've learned the relationship between the Krafts and Bill had eroded to the point of no return. It was time.

 

[signbabybrady]

All 32 teams had their chance to give Bill another HC job, but passed.

Sorry, but like all greats, their time passes.

If anything he should have been fired earlier, after showing up with no coaches then pulling Judge and Patricia out of his ass.

Judge and Patricia ran a better offense than the last 2 coordinators. Not only should they not have fired BB they never should forced Collaboration on him either.

 

[signbabybrady]

I was still in Bill's corner up until the decision/outcome in making Patricia OC and Judge QB coach. I hated it. That was the beginning of the end.

Even then if they pull out very winnable games vs LV and Cincy maybe Bill survives 2023?

Either way as we've learned the relationship between the Krafts and Bill had eroded to the point of no return. It was time.

Very likely and we got stuck with Kraft, Mayo, and Glaser instead of the GOAT. Kraft F'ed it all up. The second he gave Brady the no Franchise clause he undermined Bill and it's been all downhill since. Vrabel should just bully them into staying out of the way.

 

[lancerman]

For me at least I'm honestly not sure whether Kraft is cheap or if it is more a matter of his being a bit out of touch with how the sausage is made. What I am sure of is from the outside the organization certainly gives the appearance of being cheap and right now that public perception is what they are up against.

Agreed. I think he modeled his team after what was working in the 80's and 90's and never did it another way. Then saw that the way they had been doing things wasn't working and has no clue what went wrong and how to fix it

 

[lancerman]

Judge and Patricia ran a better offense than the last 2 coordinators. Not only should they not have fired BB they never should forced Collaboration on him either.

Oh please, the team was broken by that point. Mac lost all confidence, they threw away Jacoby Meyers who was the only good receiver, the line got even worse. Patricia and Judge were a total disaster. Don't convince Bill further ripping talent away from the team and having no clue what he was doing with those two idiots being a sound decision.

If he wasn't Bill Belichick, he wouldn't have ever been allowed to make them coordinators on offense.

Bill also built one of the ****tiest rosters in the league BEFORE the collaboration was forced on him.

He 100% earned his firing and no team in the NFL wants him because they all saw exactly what we saw and front offices across the league think he's going to come in and try to either have 100% control or maneuver his way into that position and fire everyone