PATRIOTS NEWS Report: Robyn Glaser no longer with the organization (She Officially resigned)

[maust]

Look at the crap Jeremy Jacobs got back in the 80s and 90s.

John Henry (not so much recently) but over the past few years..

The Sullivans in the 80s.

Aside from losing there is nothing worse that destroys a fan's morale than a cheap owner.

Quite a contrast in those owners.

Jacobs in the 808's and 90's truly was cheap and did not care about winning. He was at least honest about it though. Jacobs bought The Garden, the Bruins were a 'comes with' incidental. He came right out and said his hockey team would not operate at a loss. It was painful as a B's fan to watch that team and know how close they were to several Cups but realize it was not going to happen unless the few teams above them suffered catastrophic injuries. The B's didn't quite have the horses to get them over the top and Jacobs wasn't bringing them in if it meant red ink. In retrospect the teams that dominated that era, (Oilers, Islanders, Detroit and Montreal) were winning championships but losing money. Owning a top NHL team in that era was a sort of rich guy's hobby. As a fan I despised Jacobs for not caring but at the same time the adult in me, while being outraged at his decision making, at least understood it. He didn't lie to us.

Henry on the other hand has earned and is deserving of our contempt. It is absolutely all about the money for Fenway Sports Group, winning is part and parcel of the profit dynamic. The team only has to win enough to keep the fans buying the product, rinse and repeat. The issue is Henry & Co paint themselves as 'stewards' of the Hometown Nine and even of The Game itself while in reality milking the cash cow. They treat some of the most savvy fans in all of Pro sports as though we're children. It's insulting.

The Sullivans really were broke. They started the franchise broke and they ended their error broke. The Pats under their ownership were at best a house of cards disguising a long con, with Billy & The Boys out there playing fake it 'til you make it versus guys that had such deep pockets the Sullivans were essentially shine boys to them.

Which brings us to King Bob. Which of the owners you listed is he most like? We honestly don't know. Maybe he is as cheap as some folks here paint him or maybe he cares about winning as much as he professes but for 20 years all he had to do was just press play. I am slowly coming around to thinking the latter of those extremes is closer to the truth. It's possible Kraft's team won so much for so long that he became like a lot of the younger fans here and came to believe falling out of be should net him a 10 win season simply because he is King Bob. One thing has become obvious, ol' Krafty Bob convinced himself his guiding hand was the key to the team's success when he was more or less along for the ride.

 

[lancerman]

what a stupid take...what, we cant complain about the owner being cheap? get out of here

Tbf there's a little bit of a "we are bad now, so we need someone to blame".

Kraft also oversaw the most successful team run in the Super Bowl era. So either he deserves some level of credit for it OR they did it in spite of him. If it's the latter and he really is this awful owner that lucked out, then all that ends up proving is that owners in this sport are irrelevant and you are just waiting for them to get lucky, in which case.... how much do you blame Kraft? If he has enough impact to deserve most of the blame, then he deserves a lot of the credit for the success.

The cheap stuff isn't a good look and I have no problem ragging on him for that.

 

[Real fan 02]

My gut tells me Wolf sticks around throughout 2025 but if it's not working out they'll put him on a slow burn/ice him out and he is somewhere else in 2026.

I think wolf is a smart guy. He says some odd stuff sometimes lol.. but he's a smart enough guy. I've made mention that think back to when BB came back here as HC.. we were coming fresh off the Carroll tenure. BB brung with him crennel, Weis and pioloi along with adams.

Vrabel and Bill were essentially the same age when they became HC here. Vrabel brings McDaniels, Williams, striecher, cowden in... then soon afterwards wasn't the guy who drafted brady out?? Forget his name..

 

[RobertWeathers]

Are either GB or Carolina known for drafting well?

I don't want to give too much credit/blame to Wolf and Cowden as they were lower on the totem pole but if you look at those two teams in the early-mid 2010s when they were both with CAR and GB respectfully, they were decent at drafting talent.

I will defer to others who know more about it, but I don't think the grading system makes that big of a difference and that this is a lot of moving desks around when you get a new boss at work. At the end of the day, it's more about the scouts getting the grades right rather than the system telling them where to write which numbers.

The grading system is how NFL teams stack ranks talent and weighs a players attributes into the overall grade. Some are based on talent. Some are based on system fit. Character issues, etc.

For instance if Vrabel needs his DTs to be 320lbs or more and do s 7.5 3-cone to play in his scheme but Wolf gives those players low grades then that is a problem

 

[203Pat]

Let's just play the other side of the coin for a sec. Instead of being the toast of the NFL for 20 years, the team has been meh to downright lousy for the last 4. Wouldn't you, as owner, tend to tighten the purse strings in that instance?

I like the perspective from his point of view but with that being said a guy as smart as Kraft (or as smart as he used to be) has to realize that having the greatest player to ever play the game was the main reason they were the toast of the NFL for 20 years. If his ego truly is that inflated that he thinks he played any other part than being the guy to sign the checks for 20 years then he's more clueless than I thought.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Quite a contrast in those owners.

Jacobs in the 808's and 90's truly was cheap and did not care about winning. He was at least honest about though. Jacobs bought The Garden, the Bruins were a 'comes with' incidental. He came right out and said his hockey team would not operate at a loss. It was painful as a B's fan to watch that team and know how close they were to several Cups but realize it was not going to happen unless the few of teams above them suffered catastrophic injuries. The B's didn't quite have the horses to get them over the top and Jacobs wasn't bringing them in if it meant red ink. In retrospect the teams that dominated that era, (Oilers, Islanders, Detroit and Montreal) were winning championships but losing money. Owning a top NHL team in that era was a sort of rich guy's hobby. As a fan I despised Jacobs for not caring but at the same time the adult in me, while being outraged at his decision making, at least understood it. He didn't lie to us.

Henry on the other hand has earned and is deserving of our contempt. It is absolutely all about the money for Fenway Sports Group, winning is part and parcel of the profit dynamic. The team only has to win enough to keep the fans buying the product, rinse and repeat. The issue is Henry & Co paint themselves as 'stewards' of the Hometown Nine and even of The Game itself while in reality milking the cash cow. They treat some of the most savvy fans in all of Pro sports as though we're children. It's insulting.

The Sullivans really were broke. They started the franchise broke and they ended their error broke. The Pats under their ownership were at best a house of cards disguising a long con, with Billy & The Boys out there playing fake it 'til you make it versus guys that had such deep pockets the Sullivans were essentially shine boys to them.

Which brings us to King Bob. Which of the owners you listed is he most like? We honestly don't know. Maybe he is as cheap as some folks here paint him or maybe he cares about winning as much as he professes but for 20 years all he had to do was just press play. I am slowly coming around to thinking the latter of those extremes is closer to the truth. It's possible Kraft's team won so much for so long that he became like a lot of the younger fans here and came to believe falling out of be should net him a 10 win season simply because he is King Bob. One thing has become obvious, ol' Krafty Bob convinced himself his guiding hand was the key to the team's success when he was more or less along for the ride.

Well said. Spot on.

I think as the years roll on Kraft is struggling with his place in Patriots and NFL history. He clearly isn't satisfied with being the owner to enjoyed the spoils. He feels he deserves more credit for the success. Maybe he does deserve more. Maybe he deserves less. The turn-off is he is forcing his narrative. I understand his needs for posterity but hes being petty and spiteful in the process. In the process of moving on from Bill, he has exposed himself of not being capable. Maybe the hiring of Vrabes and seemingly giving him final say made him realize he needs actual football people to win NFL games. We'll see.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Go root for another team.

Why can't we criticize multi billionaires for not putting the best product on the field for the fans making them all that money? Go to a game, it's expensive, we should get to see the best product they can put on the field. Glad Glaser is gone, sayonarra

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I don't want to give too much credit/blame to Wolf and Cowden as they were lower on the totem pole but if you look at those two teams in the early-mid 2010s when they were both with CAR and GB respectfully, they were decent at drafting talent.

The grading system is how NFL teams stack ranks talent and weighs a players attributes into the overall grade. Some are based on talent. Some are based on system fit. Character issues, etc.

For instance if Vrabel needs his DTs to be 320lbs or more and do s 7.5 3-cone to play in his scheme but Wolf gives those players low grades then that is a problem

I guess we'll find out this upcoming draft.

 

[Steve102]

Quite a contrast in those owners.

Jacobs in the 808's and 90's truly was cheap and did not care about winning. He was at least honest about though. Jacobs bought The Garden, the Bruins were a 'comes with' incidental. He came right out and said his hockey team would not operate at a loss. It was painful as a B's fan to watch that team and know how close they were to several Cups but realize it was not going to happen unless the few of teams above them suffered catastrophic injuries. The B's didn't quite have the horses to get them over the top and Jacobs wasn't bringing them in if it meant red ink. In retrospect the teams that dominated that era, (Oilers, Islanders, Detroit and Montreal) were winning championships but losing money. Owning a top NHL team in that era was a sort of rich guy's hobby. As a fan I despised Jacobs for not caring but at the same time the adult in me, while being outraged at his decision making, at least understood it. He didn't lie to us.

Henry on the other hand has earned and is deserving of our contempt. It is absolutely all about the money for Fenway Sports Group, winning is part and parcel of the profit dynamic. The team only has to win enough to keep the fans buying the product, rinse and repeat. The issue is Henry & Co paint themselves as 'stewards' of the Hometown Nine and even of The Game itself while in reality milking the cash cow. They treat some of the most savvy fans in all of Pro sports as though we're children. It's insulting.

The Sullivans really were broke. They started the franchise broke and they ended their error broke. The Pats under their ownership were at best a house of cards disguising a long con, with Billy & The Boys out there playing fake it 'til you make it versus guys that had such deep pockets the Sullivans were essentially shine boys to them.

Which brings us to King Bob. Which of the owners you listed is he most like? We honestly don't know. Maybe he is as cheap as some folks here paint him or maybe he cares about winning as much as he professes but for 20 years all he had to do was just press play. I am slowly coming around to thinking the latter of those extremes is closer to the truth. It's possible Kraft's team won so much for so long that he became like a lot of the younger fans here and came to believe falling out of be should net him a 10 win season simply because he is King Bob. One thing has become obvious, ol' Krafty Bob convinced himself his guiding hand was the key to the team's success when he was more or less along for the ride.

I know this is a continuation of this discussion over on the Sox and B's forums, but this is a well thought out response.

RKK is a really good owner from the aspect of he was smart enough to realize Bill Belichick had what it took to install a system that worked, and then they all lucked out when Tom Brady became what he became. I think the building of Gillette (with no tax payer funding) and the now little town he's put in at Patriot Place make him an excellent owner. That's what owners should be doing, not trying to play GM like Jerry Jones. Negotiate deals, run the thing from a business stand point but stay the hell out of football operations.

Where he fails as an owner is his lack of support on the various 'gates, instead opting to kiss the rings of the league and continue to make billions, with a capital B. I guess you could argue the point that makes him a good owner as well, because he kept the money flowing, but he did so as what cost to the brand and the participants involved? (trying to avoid this rabbit hole). Further, the divorce from Bill, the Apple Doc and the subsequent "I'm really the guy who made it all happen, put me in the HoF" nonsense is a lot of little man syndrome IMO. Just focus on fixing the mess at hand and let the HoF come calling when it's time, because he probably is a HoF owner if he turns it around and makes them a perennial playoff team again. He's kept the team here, leveraged his position and oversaw 6 banners getting hoisted. Stop trying to pat yourself on the back and just run it.

Your other takes are spot on.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Well said. Spot on.

I think as the years roll on Kraft is struggling with his place in Patriots and NFL history. He clearly isn't satisfied with being the owner to enjoyed the spoils. He feels he deserves more credit for the success. Maybe he does deserve more. Maybe he deserves less. The turn-off is he is forcing his narrative. I understand his needs for posterity but hes being petty and spiteful in the process. In the process of moving on from Bill, he has exposed himself of not being capable. Maybe the hiring of Vrabes and seemingly giving him final say made him realize he needs actual football people to win NFL games. We'll see.

That's what Bruschi was saying, I think he had Glaser in mind when he said that.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I guess we'll find out this upcoming draft.

Got to give it 2-3 years but yea.

 

[Steve102]

I like the perspective from his point of view but with that being said a guy as smart as Kraft (or as smart as he used to be) has to realize that having the greatest player to ever play the game was the main reason they were the toast of the NFL for 20 years. If his ego truly is that inflated that he thinks he played any other part than being the guy to sign the checks for 20 years then he's more clueless than I thought.

i addressed this, above.

 

[Bill Lee]

One thing has become obvious, ol' Krafty Bob convinced himself his guiding hand was the key to the team's success when he was more or less along for the ride.

Yet he blamed himself for Mayo, publicly saying so in the press conference announcing his firing, which isn't something a King does.

The owner's main role is to hire/fire head coaches and GMs.

He can't claim to have brought Parcells to town, that was Orthwein.

He was responsible for going with Pete Carrol / Bobby Greir once Parcells blew out of town. He said he wanted to build an organization like the (then-successful) 49ers where power was distributed.

He recognized it failed after only two years, and gave BB all the power. Given this led to the Dynasty, he hit the ball out of the park.

During the BB era he was more or less along for the ride, but perhaps even a detriment in later years when he didn't stand up more to keep TB12 (regardless of where that would have taken us) and didn't act earlier when it was clear BB was losing his fastball. Yet of course doing so would have meant sticking his nose into BB's realm, which is something he learned not to do after the Carrol/Greir era.

I get that people like to *****, but considering that without him the team literally would not be here and the run we've had, Kraft deserves high marks

 

[maust]

The cheap stuff isn't a good look and I have no problem ragging on him for that.

For me at least I'm honestly not sure whether Kraft is cheap or if it is more a matter of his being a bit out of touch with how the sausage is made. What I am sure of is from the outside the organization certainly gives the appearance of being cheap and right now that public perception is what they are up against.

 

[XLIX]

I remember asking early last offseason where she fit in all this. I know some people on here said she was just a bean counter, but it seemed to me like she was meddling more in the football side of things. Then a couple of months ago when Bill Belichick was on the Pat McAfee Show after Mayo got canned, Bill specifically name-dropped Glaser when asked about what went wrong last season, which confirmed my belief that Glaser had worked her way up the ladder.

Yeah, I too was shouted down by the people who insisted she was just a lawyer dotting the i's and crossing the t's and that she had nothing to do with football ops and that, oh by the way, she is so much more smarterer than I could ever possibly hope to be.

 

[Steve102]

Yeah, I too was shouted down by the people who insisted she was just a lawyer dotting the i's and crossing the t's and that she had nothing to do with football ops and that, oh by the way, she is so much more smarterer than I could ever possibly hope to be.

Guilty. I was wrong on that one. I changed my tune on it when Tedy insinuated that there were clueless people in charge.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Per Savage on X

Robyn Glaser was cutting costs behind the scenes for the Patriots.

She was trying to do the “opposite” of what Bill Belichick did inside of Foxboro.

Per: @dougkyed

“Former executive vice president of football business Robyn Glaser is also gone from the Patriots and out of the league. Multiple sources told the Herald that Glaser tried to cut costs around the organization to ensure they were spending more effectively.

A team source believed Glaser tried to make changes within the organization without a full understanding of what processes she was changing. When asked for an example, the source said that Glaser’s approach was to simply do the opposite of what Bill Belichick had done in several areas. Now with Vrabel aboard as head coach, a coach-centric power structure that worked for years under Belichick has returned and simplified matters.”

I wonder if Vrabel told RK, if you hire me, she's gone, I hope he did.

 

[sb1]

Still pisses me off that Kraft bowed to the NFL on the -gates instead of standing up for his QB and coach.

 

[maust]

I get that people like to *****, but considering that without him the team literally would not be here and the run we've had, Kraft deserves high marks

Certainly no one here could point to anything I've ever posted as being less than appreciative of Kraft's honest accomplishments. I do however think it is fair to wonder if during the course of the 20 year run of success he hadn't lost a bit off his fastball and bought into his own press a touch. Men are not without ego after all

 

[Steve102]

Certainly no one here could point to anything I've ever posted as being less than appreciative of Kraft's honest accomplishments. I do however think it is fair to wonder if during the course of the 20 year run of success he hadn't lost a bit off his fastball and bought into his own press a touch. Men are not without ego after all

I keep going back to the 30,000 foot view of things today. If you look at it from 30k now... Kept them here, built a stadium without tax money, hired the greatest coach ever, drafted the greatest QB ever, built Patriot Place and created jobs where there were none, increased the teams value by a chit ton and won 6 Super Bowls while taking part in 10 under his ownership. Meanwhile, people debate Tom V Bill all day long, while Kraft is over here going: