Josh Simmons only true LT with a 1st Round grade

[bakes781]

I know that I just posted the Graham thread but we can't ignore the possibility of a trade down. In that scenario Josh is my target assuming he clears medically of course.

 

[manxman2601]

He's been my favourite LT all along, but he's going to need a redshirt year and we can't afford that from a first round pick. He has the same injury as Cole Strange that took a year to mend and Simmons' injury happened in Nov which effectively means he'll miss the whole of next season.

 

[Boomer B]

We aren’t making the playoffs next year anyways so if there is a way to come back into the 1st round if Simmons is still there in the 20’s then we should definitely consider it.

 

[Pape]

I know that I just posted the Graham thread but we can't ignore the possibility of a trade down. In that scenario Josh is my target assuming he clears medically of course.

Been on this train for awhile now. Progressed leaps and bounds this year.

Foundation piece to build from.

 

[dliverey44]

He's been my favourite LT all along, but he's going to need a redshirt year and we can't afford that from a first round pick. He has the same injury as Cole Strange that took a year to mend and Simmons' injury happened in Nov which effectively means he'll miss the whole of next season.

I get your hesitation, but if we bring in a bridge LT we could afford to have Simmons redshirt, imo. If we go with Alaric who I think could be our 4 year starter then I think we should skip Simmons. I know people say don't draft for need, but need always plays a part as well as positional value.

 

[manxman2601]

I get your hesitation, but if we bring in a bridge LT we could afford to have Simmons redshirt, imo. If we go with Alaric who I think could be our 4 year starter then I think we should skip Simmons. I know people say don't draft for need, but need always plays a part as well as positional value.

I think he's better than Campbell but it's not a big margin. If Simmons was a 'best in the league' type prospect then it maybe worth waiting for but I don't think he's that. the other question is whether he can fully recover and knee issues are no joke.

 

[Water Boy]

I heard he had the same knee issue as Cole Strange and wouldn't be available until November if he follows that projection. No training camp.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

He's been my favourite LT all along, but he's going to need a redshirt year and we can't afford that from a first round pick. He has the same injury as Cole Strange that took a year to mend and Simmons' injury happened in Nov which effectively means he'll miss the whole of next season.

Why can't we afford that? Are you worried about it hurting the competitive chances of the team that's going to start the offseason with less talent than anyone else in the world.

I'd love to be one of those huge 1-year turnaround stories. They should sign good stop gap vets wherever they can to try to facilitate that. But for the draft picks that they're going to sign to 4, potentially 5 year deals, I'm not freaking out because of year 1 returns on the pick because our roster really isn't set up to be good anyway.

 

[manxman2601]

Why can't we afford that? Are you worried about it hurting the competitive chances of the team that's going to start the offseason with less talent than anyone else in the world.

I'd love to be one of those huge 1-year turnaround stories. They should sign good stop gap vets wherever they can to try to facilitate that. But for the draft picks that they're going to sign to 4, potentially 5 year deals, I'm not freaking out because of year 1 returns on the pick because our roster really isn't set up to be good anyway.

Because the rebuild needs to start sooner than later and it's not as though Simmons is so good that he's worth waiting for at the expense of adding talent this year.

 

[Pape]

I think he's better than Campbell but it's not a big margin. If Simmons was a 'best in the league' type prospect then it maybe worth waiting for but I don't think he's that. the other question is whether he can fully recover and knee issues are no joke.

Simmons is still growing into the position. Hes getting better... Much more upside.

 

[manxman2601]

Simmons is still growing into the position. Hes getting better... Much more upside.

So is Will Campbell. He's a year younger than Simmons.

 

[Pape]

So is Will Campbell. He's a year younger than Simmons.

and is possibly better suited as a guard?

 

[manxman2601]

Basically, I just don't want him to be the next Dominique Easley.

I don't know the answer to this so I'm sure you can all provide plenty of examples, but how many times do first round worthy prospects who have redshirted their rookie year for injury, gone on to have first round worthy careers? Genuine question.

 

[manxman2601]

and is possibly better suited as a guard?

There are plenty of people I respect who think he can be a LT. We should get verification on that this time next week.

 

[Pape]

There are plenty of people I respect who think he can be a LT. We should get verification on that this time next week.

they need to speed up the combine timing

 

[realtime]

Basically, I just don't want him to be the next Dominique Easley.

I don't know the answer to this so I'm sure you can all provide plenty of examples, but how many times do first round worthy prospects who have redshirted their rookie year for injury, gone on to have first round worthy careers? Genuine question.

There aren't that many, actually. Ben Watson is the only Patriot I can think of. Willis McGahee also comes to mind.

 

[manxman2601]

There aren't that many, actually. Ben Watson is the only Patriot I can think of. Willis McGahee also comes to mind.

Thank you.

 

[AQPE]

OK, for context, here are the PFF numbers for Josh Simmons:

Josh Simmons LT stats 2022 - 2024

Overall, looking at LT play only (Simmons played RT in 2022):
• 19 games
• 1,130 total snaps
• 601 pass block snaps
• 1 sack = 0.17% of pass block snaps
• 4 hits and 10 hurries = 2.33% of pass block snaps

The sack % is better than for Banks, Campbell, Ersery, or Conerly
The hits and hurries % is not as good as for Banks (1.94%) or Conerly (2.20%) but better than for Campbell or Ersery (both about 2.8%).

In 2024 Simmons played in 6 games before his injury. The opponents were Akron, Western Michigan, Marshall, Michigan State, Iowa, and Oregon. There were 454 total snaps, 158 pass block snaps. He yielded zero sacks, zero hits, and one hurry. I don't know if he went up against Mike Green, that would have been the only highly rated Edge he would have faced this year. Still, that's an awesome performance.

They draft this guy, I'm going to be a happy dude, maybe even at #4 but definitely if coupled with a trade down.

In fact, if they do that in combination with signing a veteran LT in free agency, such as a Cam Robinson, for less money than they'd need to spend on Alaric Jackson or Ronnie Stanley, I'd be absolutely onboard. I'd still prefer Jackson or Stanley with the drafting of someone else at #4, but its a "1a versus 1b" deal for me now. The thing I like about 1b over 1a is using some FA money on a second big time FA at a position of need, of which there are many.

 

[Headcase]

OK, for context, here are the PFF numbers for Josh Simmons:

Josh Simmons LT stats 2022 - 2024

Overall, looking at LT play only (Simmons played RT in 2022):
• 19 games
• 1,130 total snaps
• 601 pass block snaps
• 1 sack = 0.17% of pass block snaps
• 4 hits and 10 hurries = 2.33% of pass block snaps

The sack % is better than for Banks, Campbell, Ersery, or Conerly
The hits and hurries % is not as good as for Banks (1.94%) or Conerly (2.20%) but better than for Campbell or Ersery (both about 2.8%).

In 2024 Simmons played in 6 games before his injury. The opponents were Akron, Western Michigan, Marshall, Michigan State, Iowa, and Oregon. There were 454 total snaps, 158 pass block snaps. He yielded zero sacks, zero hits, and one hurry. I don't know if he went up against Mike Green, that would have been the only highly rated Edge he would have faced this year. Still, that's an awesome performance.

They draft this guy, I'm going to be a happy dude, maybe even at #4 but definitely if coupled with a trade down.

In fact, if they do that in combination with signing a veteran LT in free agency, such as a Cam Robinson, for less money than they'd need to spend on Alaric Jackson or Ronnie Stanley, I'd be absolutely onboard. I'd still prefer Jackson or Stanley with the drafting of someone else at #4, but its a "1a versus 1b" deal for me now. The thing I like about 1b over 1a is using some FA money on a second big time FA at a position of need, of which there are many.

Got hurt early against Oregon, didn't finish the first half.....From scanning the Marshall game when someone else brought this up, Green lined up on the other side of the line, I didn't see any reps against each other.

 

[PatsFan2]

If he has to sit for a year *pass* in the First Round. I thought he would be ready to go by TC, that said I wouldn't pass in the Second Round.