Brady vs Belichick: The Verdict

[signbabybrady]

Stupid idea, won’t watch it.

So far it has not been divisive at all. Episode 1 was all about Tom, 2 will be all about Bill, and I guess 3 will be where they debate but for now this is nothing like the way certain posters on here treat it.

 

[sb1]

nothing like the way certain posters on here treat it.

"certain posters"

 

[signbabybrady]

"certain posters"

You and several others

 

[sb1]

You and several others

"Certain posters"... good one. Self awareness isn't your thing I guess.

And you didn't mention Bill in your reply! H8r.

 

[signbabybrady]

"Certain posters"... good one. Self awareness isn't your thing I guess.

And you didn't mention Bill in your reply! H8r.

Maybe you're not aware but I actually love them both. Unlike certain posters.

 

[sb1]

Maybe you're not aware but I actually love them both. Unlike certain posters.

And "certain posters" can't comprehend that the "haters" don't hate at all. So these certain posters mark posts with dislikes and get triggered when some of us don't always smooch Bill's rump or don't think that he should have had lifetime tenure as the Patriots head coach. "Certain posters" do that. And call others divisive... isn't it ironic... don't you think...

 

[signbabybrady]

And "certain posters" can't comprehend that the "haters" don't hate at all. So these certain posters mark posts with dislikes and get triggered when some of us don't always smooch Bill's rump or don't think that he should have had lifetime tenure as the Patriots head coach. "Certain posters" do that. And call others divisive... isn't it ironic... don't you think...

You know what you are.

I'm not dividing the board with my opinion that your opinion on Bill sucks.

The whole team Bill team Brady crap is ******** and you know that too. That's the divisive crap and you live for it like a little troll.

 

[sb1]

You know what you are.

Ok h8r.

 

[maust]

You know what you are.

Ok h8r.

 

[signbabybrady]

FWIW I was actually trying to say so far the show hasn't gone down this path yet and I even intentionally avoided using said poster by name.

 

[sb1]

I'm not dividing the board with my opinion that your opinion on Bill sucks.

Too bad what you think is (or more accurately what you want to be) my opinion is wrong and I've said that many times. Ignoring this is a you problem not a me problem.

The whole team Bill team Brady crap is ******** and you know that too. That's the divisive crap and you live for it like a little troll.

Cool story h8r.

 

[signbabybrady]

Too bad that's not my opinion and I've said that many times. Ignoring this is a you problem not a me problem.

 

[maust]

FWIW I was actually trying to say so far the show hasn't gone down this path yet and I even intentionally avoided using said poster by name.

 

[Ian]

Not that I want to go down this road, but I feel like this season was a reminder that sort of ends the "Belichick played no major role" debate: Let me know how Brady might have done under Mayo in any of those other seasons and whether or not they beat Seattle, Atlanta, the Rams (either meeting), etc.

Same with Jeff Fisher (who mailed it in down the stretch and didn't even know what players were on the team here). I don't see Fisher navigating the team down the stretch and giving Brady a chance to win those games. And I don't feel like even Brady could have overcome things and gone all the way under Mayo, either.

Good coaching matters. Great coaching+GOAT QB = dominance. Let's appreciate that era for what it was and be thankful it happened during our lifetimes.

 

[Ian]

It's been over after the Tampa Superbowl

Stinks that it ended, but the best thing that could have happened was for Brady to team up with Arians and that roster. If Brady had gotten 7 here, I don't think his legacy looks the same as having gotten one with another team the way he did. That solidified his legacy and creates an added wrinkle that makes it tougher for another guy to measure up.

 

[h0c2000]

Does this belong in the "Dynasty Years"?

 

[SVN]

It's funny to me how people have these debates and act like Brady was a static caliber of player for the whole 2 decades. Part of what made him such a special player was the way he tirelessly worked to reach the levels he did. He won 3 super bowls before he ever made an all pro team. Pretending he was the same caliber of player in 2018 as he was in 2001 is an insult to the work he put in to improve.

The Pats won 3 in 4 super bowls from 2001 to 2004. That's been matched in history and there were teams who did it more dominantly. Then they won 3 in 5 years later on, which was also matched in history (and again by KC just recently). What wasn't matched was the 2 decades of sustained dominance and annual Championship game appearances. Brady wasn't good enough at the start of his career to carry teams and he doesn't win those rings to pad his legacy without a GOAT coach/GM in BB. By the end of his career though, his GOATness was carrying some of BB's outdated coaching and scouting methods to a couple extra years of shelf life.

Players are always more important than coaches. If you can only take one you take Brady, easily. Although you do have to acknowledge the role good coaching played in his development too. But still, it's easy Brady if you have to divide up a pie of credit. But without both you don't get the 2 decades straight of success that is their all time differentiating factor in NFL dynasties.

These are the same people who said brady didnt have the stats to be worthy early on and it was the team and defense ,and now turn around and say was it all brady?

 

[SVN]

Episode 1 was actually pretty good. The case for Tom Brady. Episode 2 will be the case for Bill and based on how this episode went I think it will be equally good too.

A little weird that it was a lot of Mad Dog and Greenberg but I guess the enemy perspective is ok.

A ton of good quotes and stories from the players too. Faulk, Light, Andruzzi, McCourty, and Ted Johnson had a lot of screen time.

Ultimately not really anything new but the story never gets old to me.

Ted Johnson! Clearly there wont be any bias.

 

[pazrul72]

It's been over after the Tampa Superbowl

What that view fails to consider is it’s Brady AFTER years of being with Bill. Could rookie Brady have won that SB in Tampa? Or even 2nd, 3rd year Brady? I would argue no. Brady didn’t become that caliber player Tom F’n MVP Brady until 2007, seven years into his career. Who got him there? Yes a great deal of the credit deservedly goes to Tom himself for his tireless work ethic and manic preparation but Belichick was the guy meeting with him every week, going over game plans and pointing things out. Brady himself has said no other coach I want to play for and I never would have become the player I am without him.

I’ll admit being Team Bill is rough to argue with the way the last 4 years of his tenure went, (I expected them to at least continue being a 10-6ish playoff team) but that doesn’t take away 20 years of having championship caliber rosters built and coached up. 20 years of other teams playing scared and making dumb mistakes that were taken advantage of for wins. Yes at the end when Bill had lost his fast ball, been betrayed by those closest to him, and players stopped relating to him it’s a much easier point to debate, Brady is way more valuable the Bill. Make that a 50 year old Belichick and the debate is far more interesting. Certainly not the clear cut no arguement knockout you are making it to be.

 

[Triumph]

It ended in Tampa when Brady won a superbowl and BB was fired after 4 miserable years without Brady.

Not that cut and dry.

BB had Bradys successor in Jimmy G, but Kraft forced BB to trade him away. In 2021, Kraft took draft power from BB and somebody picked Alabama sensation Corky Mac Jones. When BB wanted Corky gone in 2022, Kraft said no way Jose.

Lets see what happens in NC and when BB returns to the NFL.