Cool Link Interesting Mayo article from Mike Giardi

[Ross12]

One vet told me, "I lost faith we were headed in the right direction." When? "In the spring." Why? "Felt like he - they - were making it up as they went along. It was amazing how one day it would be this and then the next, something completely different."

Another added, "It became more about looking myself in the mirror and the guys in my room and huddle and saying 'I'm leaving it out here for you.' Because I never believed we had an edge (in coaching)."

Giardi: Mixed emotions in Foxborough about Mayo, but the change felt inevitable

Mayo was expected to change the culture and revive what had progressively eroded during Bill Belichick's final years in charge. He entered the job believing he'd have multiple years to implement his vision.

www.bostonsportsjournal.com

 

[upstater1]

I do not like the part of the article that emphasizes lack of player development simply because it puts all the onus on the coaches. We've seen this before. Remember when Troy Brown was critiqued for NKeal Harry and Tyquan Thornton's inabilities? I'm not saying Troy is great, but with Polk, his display this year was not unexpected by many.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I do not like the part of the article that emphasizes lack of player development simply because it puts all the onus on the coaches. We've seen this before. Remember when Troy Brown was critiqued for NKeal Harry and Tyquan Thornton's inabilities? I'm not saying Troy is great, but with Polk, his display this year was not unexpected by many.

Agree. TB80 may/may not have been a good position coach but in no way do I blame him for Harry or Thornton's failures.

 

[TommyD4207]

Agree. TB80 may/may not have been a good position coach but in no way do I blame him for Harry or Thornton's failures.

I dunno, Troy Brown ended up being a pretty remarkably terrible receivers coach. Even veterans regressed and lost their mind under him. No one knew how to line up, never mind run a route.

 

[maust]

Agree. TB80 may/may not have been a good position coach but in no way do I blame him for Harry or Thornton's failures.

Troy Brown's problems as a WR coach were probably not unlike Mike Singletary's as a HC, you can't teach fire in the belly and the will to win. They each had so much of both they probably can't fathom guys with all the God given talent but none of the drive needed to put it to work.

 

[Ross12]

I dunno, Troy Brown ended up being a pretty remarkably terrible receivers coach. Even veterans regressed and lost their mind under him. No one knew how to line up, never mind run a route.

He was still better than Tyler Hughes, LOL

The last WR coach they have had that I am guessing was passable is probably... Mick Lombardi? Joe Judge?

 

[signbabybrady]

Troy wasn't WR coach this year

 

[RobertWeathers]

I dunno, Troy Brown ended up being a pretty remarkably terrible receivers coach. Even veterans regressed and lost their mind under him. No one knew how to line up, never mind run a route.

Meh.

No one really complained about Troy as WR coach when Josh was here.

They only complained about WRs not lining up when Jabba the Matt was OC and when BOB had a ****ty Jones and crappy Zappe to deal with. WRs and coaches were looking to lay blame

 

[n1997y]

I do not like the part of the article that emphasizes lack of player development simply because it puts all the onus on the coaches. We've seen this before. Remember when Troy Brown was critiqued for NKeal Harry and Tyquan Thornton's inabilities? I'm not saying Troy is great, but with Polk, his display this year was not unexpected by many.

I haven’t read the article (paywalled), but it seems to me that if lack of player development is across the board it is fair to put the onus on the coaches.

 

[upstater1]

I haven’t read the article (paywalled), but it seems to me that if lack of player development is across the board it is fair to put the onus on the coaches.

The problem with this is that the last time we picked this high (last year and this year) was in 1993, and we surely dont want to pick this high again any time soon, so we're going into drafts that will determine the future of the franchise, and we just saw our drafter take a kid who was slotted as a 3rd rd. WR over a guy who was universally a 1st rd. WR. Now I was very down on Polk in December of '23 and January and posted about it because the guy we saw this year was the same guy I saw last year, and as a PSU fan who saw Wallace play 50 games, I was shocked he was taken in the 60s, so I come to this with the bias of thinking Wolf overdrafted these guys by a mile (remember, we had the 34th pick in the draft!) so I came in with very low expectations for these two players.

 

[n1997y]

The problem with this is that the last time we picked this high (last year and this year) was in 1993, and we surely dont want to pick this high again any time soon, so we're going into drafts that will determine the future of the franchise, and we just saw our drafter take a kid who was slotted as a 3rd rd. WR over a guy who was universally a 1st rd. WR. Now I was very down on Polk in December of '23 and January and posted about it because the guy we saw this year was the same guy I saw last year, and as a PSU fan who saw Wallace play 50 games, I was shocked he was taken in the 60s, so I come to this with the bias of thinking Wolf overdrafted these guys by a mile (remember, we had the 34th pick in the draft!) so I came in with very low expectations for these two players.

Good points. Seems to me that makes coaches developing the players they do get even more important. Also puts in perspective Bill’s consistent development of players he drafted late in the draft order. Until he got carried away and couldn’t succeed with the projects he chose.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Coaching in general isn't overrated. However, positional coaches are and aren't going to be the reason why a player makes it or not.

Players either have it or they don't - specifically the WR's the Pats have had over the years. How does Moss and Welker light it up, but many of their rookies struggle? It's because they aren't good. Julian Edelman even mentioned this on his podcast that the Pats brought in guys in the "higher rounds", but he knew right away they were going to bust. He was referring to Dobson and then Harry.

At TE, Gronk and Hernandez made an impact the day they stepped on the field because they were supremely talented. It had nothing to do with coaching.

 

[upstater1]

Good points. Seems to me that makes coaches developing the players they do get even more important. Also puts in perspective Bill’s consistent development of players he drafted late in the draft order. Until he got carried away and couldn’t succeed with the projects he chose.

Have a look though at the KC Chiefs in the last 2 years.

A lot of projects, a lot of draft picks traded away for veterans.

A lot of that roster is made-up of cast off veterans.

There comes a time with these dynasties (and that's what KC is by now) when they see the draft as providing little return for what they need.

They need vets who can do the job NOW for little money and they need athletic freaks who just may pan out and provide the return they are looking for.

Xavier Worthy, Skyy Moore, George Karlaftis, Mecole Hardman, Kingsley Sumataia, etc., they take a bunch of super athletic raw projects, and try to see if they're going to work out. Sometimes they miss, like Moore and Hardman (who was taken over Metcalf!!) but for them, with such a deep roster, it's worth the risk.

As soon as the Chiefs players age out (and they are starting to, with Chris Jones, Travis Kelce and a few others about to hit the road) everything will change for them when it comes to the draft.

They won't have the luxury of trading draft picks for JuJu, Marquise Brown, Deandre Hopkins, Josh Uche, etc.

They will deplete their store of young players developing for the future.

Picking so late in the draft when you have a great roster and when you're pushing up against your best players getting older forces you into trading away your future for immediate wins

 

[Ross12]

Another [player] pointed out that while there was "a lot of immaturity" in the room, he also felt some of that from the coaching staff. "Trying to toe the line between being a friend and a boss is hard. Where's the line?"

 

[sb1]

Another [player] pointed out that while there was "a lot of immaturity" in the room, he also felt some of that from the coaching staff. "Trying to toe the line between being a friend and a boss is hard. Where's the line?"

Kinda like
"I just wanna be one of the guys"
- Mac Jones

 

[n1997y]

Kinda like
"I just wanna be one of the guys"
- Mac Jones

Brady seems to have pulled that off.

“Hi, I’m Tom”

Please, let Tom Brady introduce himself

 

[mgcolby]

One vet told me, "I lost faith we were headed in the right direction." When? "In the spring." Why? "Felt like he - they - were making it up as they went along. It was amazing how one day it would be this and then the next, something completely different."

Another added, "It became more about looking myself in the mirror and the guys in my room and huddle and saying 'I'm leaving it out here for you.' Because I never believed we had an edge (in coaching)."

Giardi: Mixed emotions in Foxborough about Mayo, but the change felt inevitable

Mayo was expected to change the culture and revive what had progressively eroded during Bill Belichick's final years in charge. He entered the job believing he'd have multiple years to implement his vision.

www.bostonsportsjournal.com

Dude giving yourself a cool link label! C'mon man...have some humility.

 

[Ross12]

Dude giving yourself a cool link label! C'mon man...have some humility.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The problem with this is that the last time we picked this high (last year and this year) was in 1993, and we surely dont want to pick this high again any time soon, so we're going into drafts that will determine the future of the franchise, and we just saw our drafter take a kid who was slotted as a 3rd rd. WR over a guy who was universally a 1st rd. WR. Now I was very down on Polk in December of '23 and January and posted about it because the guy we saw this year was the same guy I saw last year, and as a PSU fan who saw Wallace play 50 games, I was shocked he was taken in the 60s, so I come to this with the bias of thinking Wolf overdrafted these guys by a mile (remember, we had the 34th pick in the draft!) so I came in with very low expectations for these two players.

Bill Belichick made Eliot Wolf take Polk.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The problem with this is that the last time we picked this high (last year and this year) was in 1993, and we surely dont want to pick this high again any time soon, so we're going into drafts that will determine the future of the franchise, and we just saw our drafter take a kid who was slotted as a 3rd rd. WR over a guy who was universally a 1st rd. WR. Now I was very down on Polk in December of '23 and January and posted about it because the guy we saw this year was the same guy I saw last year, and as a PSU fan who saw Wallace play 50 games, I was shocked he was taken in the 60s, so I come to this with the bias of thinking Wolf overdrafted these guys by a mile (remember, we had the 34th pick in the draft!) so I came in with very low expectations for these two players.

Patriots 2022 Draft- Grand Slam by Bill Belichick. Man, what a draft.

1) Cole Strange OL

2) Tyquan Thornton WR

3 ) Marcus Jones CB

4) Jack Jones CB

4) Bailey Zappe QB

4) Pierre Strong RB

4) Kevin Harris RB

6) Sam Roberts DL

6) Chasen Hines C

7) Andrew Steuber OT