Will Eliot Wolf survive the week?

[upstater1]

The Patriots have no true analytics. There was no department like most teams have today. Surface level analytics and one example is not a damnation of the practice. And you can have the best analytics in the world, but they are not going to give you a medical analysis of a player's knee to show it was completely shot.

I don't believe in analytics.

I think a human coach will be able to process so many more variables than any analytical or algorithmic can when it comes to football.'

It's the same with announcers talking about probabilities when it comes to 4th down. They don't take into account so much more.

The final minute of the 2014 Super Bowl doesn't happen if a coach relies on analytics.

There's a lot to be said about guys who are moving the sticks and aren't hitting home runs. Their advanced numbers might suck, but the constant beat of consistent first downs slowly tightens the noose around defenses.

In general, I'm against the nerdification of all these sports.

Thank god soccer has gone away from it faster than other sports. Soccer has gone the complete opposite way.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't believe in analytics.

I think a human coach will be able to process so many more variables than any analytical or algorithmic can when it comes to football.'

It's the same with announcers talking about probabilities when it comes to 4th down. They don't take into account so much more.

The final minute of the 2014 Super Bowl doesn't happen if a coach relies on analytics.

There's a lot to be said about guys who are moving the sticks and aren't hitting home runs. Their advanced numbers might suck, but the constant beat of consistent first downs slowly tightens the noose around defenses.

In general, I'm against the nerdification of all these sports.

Thank god soccer has gone away from it faster than other sports. Soccer has gone the complete opposite way.

I am sorry, but if you look at some of the best teams that draft (Eagles,Lions, Bengals, Ravens, Rams) all rely heavily on analytics. The Pats do not rely on analytics and have been a below average at best drafting team over the last decade. I mean you cannot condemn analytics when the best drafters use it while the worst drafters do not.

Analytics are not the end all or be all in evaluating players, but it is a crucial tool to use to pair with other scouting tools including the traditional ones that Belichick loved to employ. Teams that use analytics don't rely solely on analytics.

In fact, these teams usually have more scouts than other teams who actually go to the games and watch the players and speak to the coaches. Another thing that Belichick didn't think was important in his last years here. He seemed content to have a small scouting staff and rely on recommendations of his friend network in college.

 

[Huckleberry1]

In yet the Commanders somehow brought in a ton of talent and are now i the playoffs.

I just think it's funny as hell that we were okay giving Mayo 6-8 months but it's too early for the guy who has the worst roster in the NFL and did next to nothing to improve it besides one layup that he was pretty much forced into.

Mayo wasn’t able to meet even the most minimum standards as a coach, Wolf got them their franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. And it looks like he got them more talent at the QB position with the Milton pick. I’ll wait and see how this offseason goes before passing any kind of judgement on him.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'll go by Callahan's article since it makes complete 100% sense. Jakobi had everything the Patriots old system prized, moved the chains, kept the offense on schedule. The new metrics guys touted his YAC over Jakobis. It's funny that a lot of threads by posters on this board argued the same as metrics in making the comparison, but only Callahan wrote an extensive article showing that Belichick was in Jakobi's corner and had to be convinced to go with the metrics (i.e. JuJu).

This article, BTW, came out BEFORE the 2023 season, so it's not in retrospect.

Vendetta against Mac? What are you talking about? Belichick made the right decision on Mac, if only Kraft had gone along with it. Mac is useless.

I’ll never forgive Wolf for making Belichick release Lawyer Milloy. He even made Belichick release Bernie Kosar in Cleveland, and he was only 10 at the time. What a bastard Wolf is.

 

[festy1986]

Wolf traded Polk for Mcconkley.

Defending Wolf in any fashion appears to indicate more about you than it does Wolf abilities.

 

[Triumph]

You are rewriting history. What you are writing is spin especially that Belichick wanted to be fired. That might be the dumbest thing I have ever read. Belichick does not want that he was fired being part of his legacy. He would have rather quit.

Let me ask

1. If BB had 100% control of personnel as you claim, then why did Kraft tell BB to trade Jimmy?

2. If BB did not want fired on his resume as you claim, then why didn't he quit?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Ryland's career FG% is 77
Slye's career FG% is 82

Career stats penalize Ryland for a weak rookie year. Hopefully Pats coaching and management is patient and intelligent enough to recognize that Ryaland worked hard in the offseason and improved. Rookies do improve from Y1 to Y2. Unfortunately Pats coaching and GM blew it again.

Ryland's 2024 FG% is 87.5%
Slye's 2024 FD% is 78.8%

 

[Zuma]

Career stats penalize Ryland for a weak rookie year. Hopefully Pats coaching and management is patient and intelligent enough to recognize that Ryaland worked hard in the offseason and improved. Rookies do improve from Y1 to Y2. Unfortunately Pats coaching and GM blew it again.

Ryland's 2024 FG% is 87.5%
Slye's 2024 FD% is 78.8%

Ugh you're Cherry picking. Jerry Rice had a bad year...so therefore we should only compare his bad year with other players best. Or...Stevenson had 100 yards rushing but one of those runs went for 50 yards. So therefore we should remove the one for 50 and only judge him on the other runs.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don't believe in analytics.

I think a human coach will be able to process so many more variables than any analytical or algorithmic can when it comes to football.'

It's the same with announcers talking about probabilities when it comes to 4th down. They don't take into account so much more.

The final minute of the 2014 Super Bowl doesn't happen if a coach relies on analytics.

There's a lot to be said about guys who are moving the sticks and aren't hitting home runs. Their advanced numbers might suck, but the constant beat of consistent first downs slowly tightens the noose around defenses.

In general, I'm against the nerdification of all these sports.

Thank god soccer has gone away from it faster than other sports. Soccer has gone the complete opposite way.

Amalytics are another tool to use when appropriate. I agree that analytics are not ideal in all situations. but the management team should be able to recoginze when and when not to use analytics. For example, developing algortihms to get better and better in drafting can be a very powerful tool. It might take time to develop, but if you bury your head in the sand, you will fall way behind other teams.

 

[Rob0729]

Let me ask

1. If BB had 100% control of personnel as you claim, then why did Kraft tell BB to trade Jimmy?

2. If BB did not want fired on his resume as you claim, then why didn't he quit?

1. There is no hard evidence that Kraft told him to trade Jimmy G. In fact, many people believe Belichick gave Jimmy G away for pennies on the dollar to spite Kraft for siding with Brady. But just because Kraft stepped in on Brady related decisions doesn't mean Belichick didn't have full control of the rest of the roster.

2. Easy. He didn't want to quit. He is a guy in his early 70s. His kids lived in New England. His girlfriend lived in New England. Two of his kids were under contract in New England. He had no desire to leave because he didn't want to start over. Kraft allowed him to sell the firing as a mutual partings of the ways where he could have just announced he was fired (although that was partly for Kraft's benefit too). You can't quit after you have been fired. I don't think Belichick thought Kraft would fire him.

If Belichick didn't have full control of the roster other than Brady, he would have quit. Kraft let Belichick put the offense in Patricia and Judge's hands when it was clear Kraft was against the idea. But you think that Kraft didn't let Belichick draft his own players?

 

[Boston Boxer]

I don't believe in analytics.

I think a human coach will be able to process so many more variables than any analytical or algorithmic can when it comes to football.'

It's the same with announcers talking about probabilities when it comes to 4th down. They don't take into account so much more.

The final minute of the 2014 Super Bowl doesn't happen if a coach relies on analytics.

There's a lot to be said about guys who are moving the sticks and aren't hitting home runs. Their advanced numbers might suck, but the constant beat of consistent first downs slowly tightens the noose around defenses.

In general, I'm against the nerdification of all these sports.

Thank god soccer has gone away from it faster than other sports. Soccer has gone the complete opposite way.

I would actually fire the front office and let Artificial Intelligence (AI) do the job. Hire a few analytics guys to write code or whatever, and just have AI run the business of our front office. Cant have a worse draft than what we have been producing lately

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Ugh you're Cherry picking. Jerry Rice had a bad year...so therefore we should only compare his bad year with other players best. Or...Stevenson had 100 yards rushing but one of those runs went for 50 yards. So therefore we should remove the one for 50 and only judge him on the other runs.

UGH. You are cherry picking. Penalizing a player for a weak rookie year is unfair. It is apples and oranges to compare two different timeframes in a statistical comparison, like Slye's 6 years in the league to Ryland's 2 years in the league. If you want to do a stats compare, you have to use equivalent timeframes.

If a RB is injured and only rushes for 50 yards in one year then you would not compare yards/year but yards/game. You are talking about applying apples to oranges. Ryland is a very talented kicker that had a bad rookie season. He worked hard and improved in Y2. If Polk emerges in Y2 you are going to say he sucks due to his rookie year? That makes no sense.

 

[Zuma]

If Polk emerges in Y2 you are going to say he sucks due to his rookie year? That makes no sense.

No..that's cherry picking...it's what you did. Look...I'd rather have the kicker that is more accurate kicking for 3 points then the kicker that is more accurate kicking for 1.

"You are what your records says you are". Removing stats to make an argument is not good "analytics". Carry on with your cherry picking...I'm out.

 

[WinstonSmith]

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Really now? Maye would of dropped 500 yards on that Bills defensive effort.

Anyone taking any legitimate analysis out of that game is crazy.

Big Joe played the preseason vs what I would assume were 2nd and 3rd stringers if that and did well. Not that we had a full game of him or anything but him doing nearly the same in this last meaningless (kinda) game just continues what we saw. He will really need 1st team reps to get a full idea of what he is truly capable of. Definitely liked what I saw. I just hope if they let AVP go, this doesn't screw up both Milton and Drake's sophomore year. We saw what happened with Crybaby Mac when things were changed.

I’m far from alone in my take on Milton’s play today. I liked what I saw.

I agree here. It's been a minute since we had both starter rook and a decent backup rook at the same time hasn't it? ****, if EVER. They need to design plays for him and maybe let him run a series starting off with the same plays that Drake was running and then switch it up RPO like etc. 60 yard bomb anyone? Could he be like Taysom Hill? Better? If they do things right, this could end up being a very entertaining part of Pats history.

 

[festy1986]

Big Joe played the preseason vs what I would assume were 2nd and 3rd stringers if that and did well. Not that we had a full game of him or anything but him doing nearly the same in this last meaningless (kinda) game just continues what we saw. He will really need 1st team reps to get a full idea of what he is truly capable of. Definitely liked what I saw. I just hope if they let AVP go, this doesn't screw up both Milton and Drake's sophomore year. We saw what happened with Crybaby Mac when things were changed.



I agree here. It's been a minute since we had both starter rook and a decent backup rook at the same time hasn't it? ****, if EVER. They need to design plays for him and maybe let him run a series starting off with the same plays that Drake was running and then switch it up RPO like etc. 60 yard bomb anyone? Could he be like Taysom Hill? Better? If they do things right, this could end up being a very entertaining part of Pats history.

Someone had the numbers earlier and he didn't do well.

 

[KCSVEN]

 

[raduray]

Really?

So the zero pressure he faced all the way until the second to last drive doesn't make a difference?

You also know we can't play two QBs right? So even if he is good it won't be here. I take nothing out of that game.

Trade bait.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

No..that's cherry picking...it's what you did. Look...I'd rather have the kicker that is more accurate kicking for 3 points then the kicker that is more accurate kicking for 1.

"You are what your records says you are". Removing stats to make an argument is not good "analytics". Carry on with your cherry picking...I'm out.

So if a guy has a bad rookie year, you are out on him for his whole career? LOL

 

[upstater1]

I would actually fire the front office and let Artificial Intelligence (AI) do the job. Hire a few analytics guys to write code or whatever, and just have AI run the business of our front office. Cant have a worse draft than what we have been producing lately

Sure you can.

Very easy to have worse drafts. There are many thousands of players eligible to be drafted.