PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL WEEK 17 POST GAME THREAD: Patriots lose 40-7

[Triumph]

Did you see Keon Whites comments?

My freinds that are not Pats fans echoe the same observations.

The Patriots have no direction.

 

[Real fan 02]

The thought has crept through my minds and I'm sure many posters.

@captain stone I'm meaning with Drake already in place.

 

[Real fan 02]

TRENCHES, YOU WIN IN THE TRENCH.
You can win with mediocre WRS/TES IF you win in the trench.
Look at Cincinnati, look at the STUDS they have on offense...
What is their record?
Yeah, it's not glamorous/sexy FF Stats, but it works.

Burrow is leading the leading in TDs.. he's balling. Not sure why his name isn't in the MVP conversation.. I believe becuase of his teams record mostly. Yes we suck on both sides of the LOS. We can't do anything to pressure the QB even when it's 5 man rush. It's embarrassing. The replacements had better players.

 

[Real fan 02]

Hire Rex, f the Jets, let's go eat a god damn snack

Tell glaser not to walk through the halls of Gillette without socks on of we hire rex..

 

[0818NePa]

The higher the pick the better it is. But this is not the way.

Until they fix the problems they have outside the field nothing can really improve on the field. And it starts form the ownership.

RK waited 5 years too much to do the inevitable: fire BB. In the meantime he watched BB burning the franchise to the ground by making some of the weirdest decisions I have ever seen in pro sport.

When he finally pulled the trigger he thought the best course of action was to hire a nice looking guy. Good for public relations but who is clearly not up to the task. The team is soft because he is soft.

Maye has shown some promising signs. But he needs people who can develop him properly and teach him how to play (and survive) in the big League. And I doubt they have them.

PS: Wolf 2024 FA + Draft performance was insufficient too. Give him another shot or replace him is, of course, another thing to carefully consider.

 

[Real fan 02]

It should be painfully obvious to all that he never should have been fired.

Bills game planning, structure and accountability is sorely missed in Foxborough.

 

[Real fan 02]

He didn't come last year, I can't imagine he would this year

Reported he was offered the job with a nice salary offer, and he still turned it down. Caley knew this was going to be a disaster. I don't blame him. AVP is here becuase no one wanted the job. AVP has the leverage if ownership were to try to fire him. He did develop Drake! The OL is the reason he can't fully utilize the play book he said in his own words.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Burrow is leading the leading in TDs.. he's balling. Not sure why his name isn't in the MVP conversation.. I believe becuase of his teams record mostly. Yes we suck on both sides of the LOS. We can't do anything to pressure the QB even when it's 5 man rush. It's embarrassing. The replacements had better players.

He's throwing to straight up Stallions.... imagine vif he actually had a stud OL...
He'll never have one, because him and his *****es demand all the $.
Look back to the Colts, they were LOADED on offense with PedMan, but they couldn't afford a decent defense because too much $was spent on P and his *****es.

 

[Real fan 02]

I've gone back and forth on this.

Like, after last year, Belichick really did have to go - it was clear the train had hit the end of the track, and there was nothing really left there - too many issues between him and ownership.

Now, the thing is, you should have done an actual rebuild, instead of 'Fire Bill and we'll be fine', which is what they did. And a QB fell into your lap, and you've wasted a year of him.

I don't think this team goes anywhere with Belichick as the coach this year - but I feel like with the weaker schedule, they could have at least been more competitive. But is that worth keeping him? I dunno.

Great points! As bad as it's been this season and likely losing to tribisky next week because the defense can't stop anything from an offense no matter who's QB. Ownership after next week may shift things and likely alow mayo support on his staff. I believe that Covington and AVP will be here and some support will be added to the staff to support them. Ownership will IMO upgrade this roster all around and if the coaching is still this way then I think we'll see changes at HC.

 

[KCSVEN]

TRENCHES, YOU WIN IN THE TRENCH.
You can win with mediocre WRS/TES IF you win in the trench.
Look at Cincinnati, look at the STUDS they have on offense...
What is their record?
Yeah, it's not glamorous/sexy FF Stats, but it works.

When I researched this the better offensive lines did not translate to winning as much as QB.
A good QB, a good #1 and #2 receiver and an average line seems to be better than an average receiving group and a good line.

On PFF Bengals pass blocking is ranked 28th, and 30th in run blocking Patriots are 31 (Saints are last) in PB and 32nd in run blocking.

The difference is Burrow throws to Chase and Higgins and Zac Taylor is a great offensive mind.

They have a losing record because they allowed 26,38. 41,37,35, 34 and 44 points in games where they scored 25, 33, 38, 17, 34, 27, 38

Bengals are an absolute horrible example trying to say the Offensive line is important. They averaged 30 points a game in 7 of the losses! They average 28.31 points per game, they are a top 5 offense with an offensive line slightly above the Patriots.

The Bengals show it's about the COACH, QB AND RECEIVERS, the line helps but clearly you don't need one if you have the other things.

 

[Real fan 02]

He's throwing to straight up Stallions.... imagine vif he actually had a stud OL...
He'll never have one, because him and his *****es demand all the $.
Look back to the Colts, they were LOADED on offense with PedMan, but they couldn't afford a decent defense because too much $was spent on P and his *****es.

Agreed. But chase and Higgins are playing for peanuts this season. So the brown family has short arms and deep pockets.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

When I researched this the better offensive lines did not translate to winning as much as QB.
A good QB, a good #1 and #2 receiver and an average line seems to be better than an average receiving group and a good line.

On PFF Bengals pass blocking is ranked 28th, and 30th in run blocking Patriots are 31 (Saints are last) in PB and 32nd in run blocking.

The difference is Burrow throws to Chase and Higgins and Zac Taylor is a great offensive mind.

They have a losing record because they allowed 26,38. 41,37,35, 34 and 44 points in games where they scored 25, 33, 38, 17, 34, 27, 38

Bengals are an absolute horrible example trying to say the Offensive line is important. They averaged 30 points a game in 7 of the losses! They average 28.31 points per game, they are a top 5 offense with an offensive line slightly above the Patriots.

The Bengals show it's about the COACH, QB AND RECEIVERS, the line helps but clearly you don't need one if you have the other things.

Obviously, if you have Stallions and a decent OC.
I think we're on the same page somewhat.
MOST great teams have a good -great(you never really hear about a "Stonewall" anymore). I still believe that TRENCH is where most games are won or lost.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Agreed. But chase and Higgins are playing for peanuts this season. So the brown family has short arms and deep pockets.

Still on Rookie contracts is my guess..without wasting time looking

 

[KCSVEN]

Obviously, if you have Stallions and a decent OC.
I think we're on the same page somewhat.
MOST great teams have a good -great(you never really hear about a "Stonewall" anymore). I still believe that TRENCH is where most games are won or lost.

I think like everything in life, a little bit of moderation.
Teams generally win and make it far in the playoffs with a top 5 offense coupled with a top 10 defense. Thus, offense is more important than defense based on that research, but they are both important. Same with Skill positions vs line.

The Broncos win with a really good defense, a great Offensive Line, but below average QB.
Chargers win with 1 good receiver, a great QB and a great Line coupled with a pretty good defense. Remember how bad the Chargers defense was last year with bad coaching?
Chiefs had terrible Offensive tackles the last 2 years but had Mahomes, Reid and a great defense

SO many ways to skin a cat but I'd take Burrow, Chase and Higgins vs the best offensive line in football. Ideally my O-line is at least top 15 in the NFL, my QB is top 3 and I have true #1 and #2 receivers.

Can't underestimate coaching etiher.

 

[Triumph]

Bills game planning, structure and accountability is sorely missed in Foxborough.

I cannot believe how fast the discipline left the building.

 

[signbabybrady]

They are the same. They both put unqualified employees in important, attractive positions to fail.

BB went 8-9 when he did it and the next 2 OCs have been progressively worse. Whatever mistakes BB made Kraft only made them worse with how he reacted to each. And each reaction has also been progressively worse too.

 

[Triumph]

C'mon Guys, can't we at least be respectful of the owner of this website?

True.

Jonathan will be a better owner next year.

 

[ralmat55]

Does anyone know if the value of the franchise has gone down? I wouldn’t be surprised if it has by a lot.

I suspect it’s ESTIMATED worth has actually gone up as much of that is based on revenues which have increased with the new TV deals far outdistancing the loss of revenue from concessions, parking etc.

Recently, the NFL agreed to allow private equity firms to buy into NFL teams because there are not enough individuals out there with the money to buy into them. This development has also increased the value of the Pats and all NFL franchises.

It took decades for Daniel Snyder and John Gruden’s email buddy, Bruce Allen, to significantly diminish the value of Washington football franchise.

The Kraft’s are still sitting on a gold mine, and for those emotionally overwrought fools who think them selling the team is on the horizon or a good thing are going to just keep sticking needles in their RKK voodoo dolls.

 

[signbabybrady]

I cannot believe how fast the discipline left the building.

Kraft and Mayo with their actions and comments basically said it doesn't matter.

 

[Ross12]

I think like everything in life, a little bit of moderation.
Teams generally win and make it far in the playoffs with a top 5 offense coupled with a top 10 defense. Thus, offense is more important than defense based on that research, but they are both important. Same with Skill positions vs line.

The Broncos win with a really good defense, a great Offensive Line, but below average QB.
Chargers win with 1 good receiver, a great QB and a great Line coupled with a pretty good defense. Remember how bad the Chargers defense was last year with bad coaching?
Chiefs had terrible Offensive tackles the last 2 years but had Mahomes, Reid and a great defense

SO many ways to skin a cat but I'd take Burrow, Chase and Higgins vs the best offensive line in football. Ideally my O-line is at least top 15 in the NFL, my QB is top 3 and I have true #1 and #2 receivers.

Can't underestimate coaching etiher.

The Bengals are kind of an outlier because it’s uncommon to have a QB as good as Burrow, plus a WR1 as good as Chase and a WR2 in Higgins who is really a WR1. Their combined ability allows them to transcend bad OL play, but getting all 3 of those guys on 1 squad is a feat - it’s easier to try to get a solid OL and a good QB, or a solid OL and a good receiver, etc.

That said, the Pats do have a small opportunity to thread the needle and duplicate the Bengals formula if they can sign Higgins as a free agent and then draft Travis Hunter to be their Chase. Maye is their Burrow - he’s no Burrow yet but he may well grow into it and has far more athletic and creative ability than Burrow will ever. This would let them get away with perhaps still having an average or slightly below average OL. Their big issue is the tackles, but Maye’s athletics can get around tackle issues to some degree. Now imagine he’s escaping to find Hunter/Higgins downfield instead of Bourne/Boutte.