Insight into BB’s decision to coach college

[farn]

I don’t know BB, so - you know…

Sometimes, people don’t make decisions based on legacy or whatnot. BB is a football historian, but maybe he just wanted to coach where he had full control. And UNC is that place for the time being.

I had a job I’d always considered my dream job. After a while, things changed. I changed, the job changed, the people there changed…. and so I left what I had always thought I wanted for another place. Advantages and disadvantages, but I don’t regret my choice.

BB is human. There are surely many factors (decreased success in recent years, his age, his ‘family’ situation, lack of interest from the pros…). But he might just be doing what he wants at this point. He should be comfortable money-wise and is getting compensated handsomely for the gig.

Legacy isn’t everything.

 

[Pape]

I don’t know BB, so - you know…

Sometimes, people don’t make decisions based on legacy or whatnot. BB is a football historian, but maybe he just wanted to coach where he had full control. And UNC is that place for the time being.

I had a job I’d always considered my dream job. After a while, things changed. I changed, the job changed, the people there changed…. and so I left what I had always thought I wanted for another place. Advantages and disadvantages, but I don’t regret my choice.

BB is human. There are surely many factors (decreased success in recent years, his age, his ‘family’ situation, lack of interest from the pros…). But he might just be doing what he wants at this point. He should be comfortable money-wise and is getting compensated handsomely for the gig.

Legacy isn’t everything.

His dad coached there... read education of a coach by david halberstam, if you already haven't... Pretty much all the legacy BB needs, coaching at the same school his father did...

 

[Dec54]

There's also a lot of context that gets ignored over this.

1. Matt's tenure was a disorganized ****show. Anyone pretending otherwise has selective amnesia.
2. We got rid of the best WR on the team who was a significant contributor and Mac's best weapon. That made a huge difference on an offense that was already starved for weapons.
3. Damian Harris leaving meant Stevenson had to carry more of the load in the running game and he really wasn't up for it.
4. Most importantly, BOB was not allowed to have his own staff brought on with him. That's never a good move.
5. Other aspects of the team got worse in 2023 and it effected everything else. Our special teams were one of the worst in the league, that was something that had an impact on both sides of the ball and always had us playing in bad field position. The defense also a slid a bit more in 2023 compared to 2022 (basically just outside the top 10 in 22 to nearly middle of the league in 2023). All those had impacts on ppg and yardage numbers.
6. Mac's confidence was totally shot early on in 2023 while there was still hope for him in 2022. By 2023 it was clear he wasn't the guy and we started switching out QB;s a lot more and Zappe proved to suck as bad or worse.

Matt Patricia was a horrible mistake. There isn't a single person who thought that was the right move going in and it proved to be awful when it was in action. The fact that BOB came on and had his his hand tied behind his back with his staff, was lacking two huge skill players from last year, and the rest of the team also slid which meant all units were in a hole so the overall had worse numbers doesn't absolve how stupid the Matt Patricia error was. It just showed that overall the team was horribly mismanaged in 2023.

"selective amnesia" My wife thinks I suffer with that, if I remember rightly. Great post though, you are spot on.

 

[lancerman]

The roster sucks, no doubt. But Mac sucks too. Look at Mac in Jacksonville and look at Maye in NE. It is night and day. Mac sucks. Zach Wilson sucks. Trey Lance sucks. Maye is wonderful.

Two things can be true at the same time. The roster sucked and Mac sucked. Today the roster sucks but Maye is great. The 2024 FA and draft did not improve the situation except for drafting Maye. Even Maye has not improved the offense, AVP's stats are worse than Matty P's. Two things can be true at the same time. The 2024 roster sucks, and AVP sucks.

I don't disagree with you, but how many times last year were people going off that we couldn't criticize Bob or properly evaluate the offensive line or WR's because Mac was behind center? A lot of people escaped having attention focused on them because it was easier to pin it all on Mac.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don't disagree with you, but how many times last year were people going off that we couldn't criticize Bob or properly evaluate the offensive line or WR's because Mac was behind center? A lot of people escaped having attention focused on them because it was easier to pin it all on Mac.

BB had to go. But the whole front office should have gone too. BB didn't scout Tyquan Thornton. Wolf and Groh suck too and the 2024 FA and draft highlights that. Harry, Thornton and Polk. Nothing has changed.

Now we have Mayo and the team sucks too. AVP's stats are worse than Matty P's. Covington's stats are horrible. The team might end up 3 - 14.

I like BOB, but he could not work a miracle with Mac and the management disaster around him. Having said that BOB was not good.

The only one to rise up and shine in this whole mess is Maye. Good for him.

Last year the Commanders were 4 - 13. Now they are 8 - 5. They fired everyone and restarted with a professional GM and all new coaching. Kraft will have to do the same. If Kraft doesn't do it in Jan 2025, he will have to do it in Jan 2026. No need to wait.

 

[Real fan 02]

Matt Patricia is the biggest fraudulent coach in NFL History. I loathe his coaching style. Read what he did to the Detroit Organization. One of the worst head coaching tenures in NFL history. I want him as far away from New England as humanly possible.

There is also no doubt in my mind he was a big reason we lost the super-bowl in 2017 to the eagles. Reflecting back, it sickens me watching the hapless nick foles and alshon jeffrey torture our cornerbacks while malcolm butler is standing crying on the sidelines...

Without Patricia riding BBs coat tails, he is non existent in the NFL.

I never liked the zone-bend defense of Patricia. Once he left and Flo took over the defense they became aggressive and played man coverage. We won our last superbowl playing aggressive man defense with Flo. Patricia and Flo both were some of the longest tenured coaches when in NE. However Flo is more respected league wide.

 

[lancerman]

BB had to go. But the whole front office should have gone too. BB didn't scout Tyquan Thornton. Wolf and Groh suck too and the 2024 FA and draft highlights that. Harry, Thornton and Polk. Nothing has changed.

Now we have Mayo and the team sucks too. AVP's stats are worse than Matty P's. Covington's stats are horrible. The team might end up 3 - 14.

I like BOB, but he could not work a miracle with Mac and the management disaster around him. Having said that BOB was not good.

The only one to rise up and shine in this whole mess is Maye. Good for him.

Last year the Commanders were 4 - 13. Now they are 8 - 5. They fired everyone and restarted with a professional GM and all new coaching. Kraft will have to do the same. If Kraft doesn't do it in Jan 2025, he will have to do it in Jan 2026. No need to wait.

I wish they just ripped the bandaid off when Bill left and used that as an opportunity to start from scratch. Nobody from the old regime would have the same success as BB at the peak of his powers.

I agree, nothing about AVP besides maybe his development of Maye is remotely interesting. I would have preferred we did a full reset. But now I'm more concerned about jerking Maye around in his first few years.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I wish they just ripped the bandaid off when Bill left and used that as an opportunity to start from scratch. Nobody from the old regime would have the same success as BB at the peak of his powers.

I agree, nothing about AVP besides maybe his development of Maye is remotely interesting. I would have preferred we did a full reset. But now I'm more concerned about jerking Maye around in his first few years.

Don't worry about Maye. He is great. Get the GM and coaching fixed.

 

[Wax Frog]

BB had to go. But the ownership should have gone too.

 

[sb1]

Imagine thinking Bill’s hiring of Matt Patricia as OC was smart.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Imagine thinking Bill’s hiring of Matt Patricia as OC was smart.

I agree it was not the best decision.

Imagine thinking that hiring AVP or Covington was smart. AVP has worse stats than Matty P even though AVP has Maye instead of Mac, and Covington has the Pats defense in the bottom half of the league in all categories for the first time in years. AVP and Covington have been statistical disasters.

 

[signbabybrady]

Imagine thinking Bill’s hiring of Matt Patricia as OC was smart.

Imagine thinking firing Bill was smart

 

[Brandon_Cox]

AVP's numbers with Maye for half the season are worse than Matty P's. What does that say about AVP?

It says that he's running his somewhat antiquated west coast offense behind a historically bad offensive line with little to no weapons

 

[archstanton543]

Imagine thinking firing Bill was smart

Even the Jets didn't want to hire him and give him full GM and HC control of the team. The Pats made the right decision letting him go when they did. They made a mistake with who they replaced him with.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Even the Jets didn't want to hire him and give him full GM and HC control of the team.

The JETE thing is complete fake news.

The Pats made the right decision letting him go when they did. They made a mistake with who they replaced him with.

I agree with you for the first time in a long time.

 

[Vindicate]

And obviously the Board was wrong. Not the first time .........

I think we'd be remiss to forget the reports of Matt seeming absolutely clueless in his role. I don't hate on MP' tenure as a DC as much as some do, he was pretty good at managing the "bend don't - break" philosophy with good rosters, much to our chagrin as fans watching hundreds of yards pile up, but his time as an OC was an actual failure - we just somehow stumbled into worse after him.

 

[borg]

I think we'd be remiss to forget the reports of Matt seeming absolutely clueless in his role...................... but his time as an OC was an actual failure - we just somehow stumbled into worse after him.

Patricia.......21 points/game.........8 wins

BOB............14 pts/game................4 wins

AVP...........17 pts/game.................3 wins

Replace "we" with "Thunder"
Substitute "stumbled" with "meddled"

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

but his time as an OC was an actual failure - we just somehow stumbled into worse after him.

Matty P had Mac Jones as a QB. AVP has Drake Maye as a QB. AVP's offensive stats are worse than Matty P's at this point in the season. If Matty P was a actual failure and AVP's performance to date is worse, what is AVP? An abject failure? A historic failure?

 

[Real fan 02]

It says that he's running his somewhat antiquated west coast offense behind a historically bad offensive line with little to no weapons

Sounds like a patriots team to me!

 

[Vindicate]

Matty P had Mac Jones as a QB. AVP has Drake Maye as a QB. AVP's offensive stats are worse than Matty P's at this point in the season. If Matty P was a actual failure and AVP's performance to date is worse, what is AVP? An abject failure? A historic failure?

I mean, my post really was just focusing on Matt, but if I were to compare the two (AVP and MP), I think it's a positive that we're NOT seeing any stories such as the ones reflected in this report: Report reveals massive level of dysfunction in Patriots' 2022 offense

"A lot of guys would ask, ‘Well, what’s going to happen if (the defense) does this?’ And you would see they hadn’t really accounted for that yet," a source told the Herald. "And they’d say, ‘We’ll get to that when we get to that.’ That type of attitude got us in trouble."

For 2024? The offense hasn't been hot this year and AVP hasn't given reason for me to say he's solid, however there is the solid development of Maye. We'll see.