Brady suggests QB's should be penalized or fined for sliding late

[sb1]

I get where TB12 is coming from but I think it's too hard to enforce something like that. What exactly makes a slide "late" to one official vs another? When the league starts overthinking things like this they generally mess it up. See Rule, Tuck

I'm 100% in favor of a flag for QB's faking going out of bounds making defenders ease up so they can steal more yards. And make that challengeable. Kermit Mahomes does this all the time.

 

[turkeyneck]

Seems too hard to call. But I'd favor an unsportsmanlike conduct for QBs who fake going out of bounds and then take 10-15 more yards.

 

[signbabybrady]

When QBs were still FB players

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

I agree with @sb1 . How would this be enforced? So say dude jukes someone and doesn’t slide properly in time. Penalize him? I’m all for the flags on d for taking shots at sliding qbs. Shouldnt be penalized for throwing a shoulder to someone sliding tho. This isn’t tag. I’ve seen it happen several times where they targeted with the helmet, sure penalize that. Qb has given up and a light shoulder isn’t going to light him up and concuss him (unless it’s tua maybe). If tua’s around an OL farting he gets concussed.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Hes right. And its a shame nobody has condemned mahomes and allen yet over this. Their bush league tactics of fake sliding /going out of bounds and going for extra yards to manipulate the rules make it essentially impossible for defenders to assume a qb will slide. Thats where we need to start imo if they want a real solution.

 

[h0c2000]

I would go one step further. You fake going out of bounds or fake a slide, you get suspended the next game.

 

[Calhoun44]

If they want to protect the QB's this much, they should just make them ruled down as soon as a defender touches them once they leave the pocket. Then they wouldn't have to learn a new skillset (i.e. sliding). Barring that, I agree that the going out of bounds play needs to be changed. QB's should not be allowed to extend the ball to get more yardage, QB's should be ruled down where they go out of bounds minus 3 yards to account for the extra favoritism they get from refs when they get hit too close to the sideline, and I agree that any trickery to fake out defenders should be a 15 yard penalty and will initiate that announcement they make about being the first of two violations that counts toward their disqualification.

 

[Ross12]

Seems too hard to call. But I'd favor an unsportsmanlike conduct for QBs who fake going out of bounds and then take 10-15 more yards.

I think the faking going out of bounds/faking a slide is a bigger issue than the late slide. It would be easier to enforce as unsportsmanlike behavior. A "late" slide, IMO, is just a guy screwing up and in all likelihood is probably getting him hurt. I don't think he needs a penalty on top of it, but I can understand if they'd let the refs exercise discretion to also not flag the defender hitting him if it was a really late slide, and just treat it as a normal tackle.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Just make sliding a penalty. Dont have to worry about late hits, heads bouncing off turf, fake slides for extra yards etc..

 

[Steve102]

I get where TB12 is coming from but I think it's too hard to enforce something like that. What exactly makes a slide "late" to one official vs another? When the league starts overthinking things like this they generally mess it up. See Rule, Tuck

I'm 100% in favor of a flag for QB's faking going out of bounds making defenders ease up so they can steal more yards. And make that challengeable. Kermit Mahomes does this all the time.

They need less rules. Stop protecting them and play football.

 

[Ross12]

If they want to protect the QB's this much, they should just make them ruled down as soon as a defender touches them once they leave the pocket. Then they wouldn't have to learn a new skillset (i.e. sliding).

I think the core issue isn't that it's a new skillset - you don't even really need to slide that well, you just need to clearly be "giving yourself up" which is most obvious with a slide down to the ground. The problem is that QBs are pushing their rushing attempt to the absolute maximum and then trying to slide right before someone is in tackle distance which is just foolish. A slide needs to be initiated well before someone is actually in range to hit you.

IMO they should treat a slide as a legitimate slide only if no defender is within three steps of the player sliding. If there is a player within that proximity at the time of the slide, then the slide is void from a contact standpoint and any hit the player incurs as a result will not be flagged.

This would stop "late" slides as the player would know they need to slide well in advance or they're gonna get hit regardless, and it stops the defender from being faked out by a fake slide if they are within hitting distance.

The "faking going out of bounds" thing is different and just needs to be unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

[203Pat]

I would go one step further. You fake going out of bounds or fake a slide, you get suspended the next game.

Mahomes has mastered this flinch/fake and it ends up getting him another 10-15 yards each time.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Hes right. And its a shame nobody has condemned mahomes and allen yet over this. Their bush league tactics of fake sliding /going out of bounds and going for extra yards to manipulate the rules make it essentially impossible for defenders to assume a qb will slide. Thats where we need to start imo if they want a real solution.

Any fake slide, or deke to go out of bounds should be penalized. It puts all other QB's at risk.

 

[sb1]

I don't think the fake slides can be done anymore the rulebook says when a runner slides feet or head first or simulates sliding it's a dead ball the moment he touches the ground with anything other than his hands or feet or begins to simulate touching the ground.

They could fix the fake out of bounds misdirection the same way?
(20.3.1) A ball that is in player possession is out of bounds when the runner is out of bounds, the runner simulates going out of bounds, or when the ball touches a boundary line or anything that is on or outside such line, except another player or an official.

If the league protects QB's they can't have it both ways.

 

[Calhoun44]

I think the core issue isn't that it's a new skillset - you don't even really need to slide that well, you just need to clearly be "giving yourself up" which is most obvious with a slide down to the ground. The problem is that QBs are pushing their rushing attempt to the absolute maximum and then trying to slide right before someone is in tackle distance which is just foolish. A slide needs to be initiated well before someone is actually in range to hit you.

IMO they should treat a slide as a legitimate slide only if no defender is within three steps of the player sliding. If there is a player within that proximity at the time of the slide, then the slide is void from a contact standpoint and any hit the player incurs as a result will not be flagged.

This would stop "late" slides as the player would know they need to slide well in advance or they're gonna get hit regardless, and it stops the defender from being faked out by a fake slide if they are within hitting distance.

The "faking going out of bounds" thing is different and just needs to be unsportsmanlike conduct.

I had just read an article that talked about Lawrence being an awkward slider and that has always been a problem for him/defenders. So, I think that influenced me in mentioning that idea. But to be honest, my first suggestion was just a way to retroactively complete the undefeated season.

 

[jeremy2020]

The idea itself is dumb, but the play they're talking about wasn't late. You can clearly see Lawrence going down and the defender ~4-5 yards way still.

You can have issues with sliding/hitting or whatever, but this isn't the play to herald as an agent for change.

 

[slam]

My one real critique of Drake Maye is that he doesn’t slide when he should. The penalty that he suffers for that is that he gets legally clobbered. The Jets hit that gave him a concussion I can’t fault the defender when Maye stumbled got ten yards and tried to slide when the defender was on top of him.

 

[varjao]

Dumb take, rules overall follow the structure of the laws where you can't really penalize someone for not doing something, exception made for crimes of omission of help or others related.

How are you going to flag a QB for not slide? That's impractical and you can be sure the NFL would make this in the most stupid way as possible.

Please stop ruining the game. You wanna fix this, find another way. QBs running is a major part of the game in these days, and it's entertaining. You can't have everything, have to do some concessions. Let the players play, they can fix this having a chat with QBs over and over about they doing a better job protecting themselves. Don't need to put a rule in place for that.

 

[Ross12]

My one real critique of Drake Maye is that he doesn’t slide when he should. The penalty that he suffers for that is that he gets legally clobbered. The Jets hit that gave him a concussion I can’t fault the defender when Maye stumbled got ten yards and tried to slide when the defender was on top of him.

He did slide very smartly in the last game when everything broke down and he had no rushing lane. It does seem like he’s learning in this regard at least

 

[ViperGTS]

How would the Queefs win an another SB or 5 if Mahomie can't pull the "I'm going out, wait no I'm not" runs?