PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL PostGame Thread: Week 13 - Patriots lose to Colts 25-24

[One-If-By-Sea]

But Im not even mad about that anymore since we wouldn't have drafted Drake Maye.

If Kraft figures out how to be an owner soon, we will look back and think this franchise lucked out by sucking in 22 and 23.

I agree. I love Drake Maye too. Drake is why I am in the "tank for the draft" camp. People always argue that losing franchises continue to lose, but that is only true if the losing franchise does not have a QB. We have a QB and need a top LT, DT (as you saw today), and WR #1. We greatly increase our chances with a higher draft pick. We can sign all of the mid-level players in FA, and need a high draft pick to hit on the key positions of LT, DT, and WR.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

BB takes the majority of the blame (as he should) but it’s also apparent that wolf and groh had their hands in our draft issues for a few years now. Need a complete rebuild with our front office.

Yup send them packing!

 

[signbabybrady]

So on 4th down at the end the Colts seemed a little confused but we still called a timeout after we saw their formation. Not unusual for a coach to do (a little unfortunate that they seemed a little confused but whatever). But then why doesn't he call the timeout after seeing their formation before the 2 pointer?

 

[Ray Ray 717]

You have to judge Belichick 2020-2023.

Judging him on 2015-2019 (bad drafts, etc.) requires that you understand there were so many factors involved in keeping the team primed for Super Bowls, and this meant trading the future for now, letting players go who you could develop for the future, trading draft picks for veterans, sitting young players, 3 prime draft picks lost to Deflategate, swinging for the fences on a DT like Easley when he was injured, drafting at the end of every round, letting players like Froholdt and Fleming go because you don't have the roster space since you maniacally insist on keeping 8 special teamers, etc.

We traded a 1st for Brandin Cooks, a 2nd for Mo Sanu, we traded a lot of mid round and late round draft picks for veterans, sort of like the Chiefs are doing right now by bringing in a slew of vets. This is basically trading the future.

A couple of the post 2020 drafts have been really good, a couple of them bad. But the FAs he brought in from Hunter Henry to Matthew Judon and several others have been good.

The big problem was the Mac Jones pick.

But Im not even mad about that anymore since we wouldn't have drafted Drake Maye.

If Kraft figures out how to be an owner soon, we will look back and think this franchise lucked out by sucking in 22 and 23.

Interesting statement. The dates you mentioned, I have all of them bring historically awful patriots draft except one, which I list as ‘below average’ but not bad. What are your “two very good” drafts?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

BB takes the majority of the blame (as he should) but it’s also apparent that wolf and groh had their hands in our draft issues for a few years now. Need a complete rebuild with our front office.

This is correct. For some reason posters that are frustrated with our roster commonly look backwards and blame BB. It is time to look forward and not waste $140M in cap dollars or our pending high draft picks. We need to hire a professional GM to rebuild our front office.

 

[1960Pats]

It must be a weird feeling for a Pats fan to be watching the Pats go for a winning FG and hoping they miss. You know, because the game is meaningless and we can get a better draft pick.

Why can't DBs these days stay with a WR but still locate the ball? I don't see much of that.

And what's with all the fumbles (not just the Pats) that I keep seeing? Doesn't anyone know how to hang onto the ball anymore?

I really like seeing a team go for two and the win at the end of a game. The Pats should have done it earlier in the season and I have a memory of KC deciding not to do it against the Pats way back in a game that each team was going through the other like Grant through Richmond. KC took the tie and the Pats won in OT.

This team is last year's team but with a better offense and a poorer defense.

The most frustrating part of this loss for me was that it could have been the superfecta. There's the trifecta, Bal and Indy losing while the Pats win, and then there's the superfecta, which is when Bal and Indy lose and the Pats beat one of them.

As for the rest of the NYFL, it looks like we could have two division winners in the NFC with losing records while multiple teams with better records and wins against those teams sit home. That would be a dream come true for me.

 

[vicspats]

Maybe but it’s frustrating being back to the early 90s days of 2-14 records

Absolutely not… 9 Super Bowl appearance and 6 Rings ??? For us older fans I think there have been so many incredible days that this is par for the course … wasn’t going to last forever. This kid Maye is a spark. Let’s protect him first. Then get him some shiny toys. Guys will want to come. Nobody wanted to come play for Mac . I’m thinking the kid was to effeminate? That the right way to say that ?

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I’m tired of the media members (Tom Curran, Phil Perry, The Kraft-employed Patriots Unfiltered crew, among others) and ungrateful, clueless Pats fans who rejoiced when Belichick was fired by Bobby and John-Boy carrying Mayo’s water and blaming their record mostly on their roster).

They have lost so many close/winnable games due to poor coaching (play-calling and in-game decisions). What looked like a very difficult schedule prior to the start of the season has turned out to be one of the easiest this far, based upon the combined record of their opponents.

If the Pats had the Chiefs, Broncos, Steelers, Rams, Viking or Lions coaching staffs (just to name a few of the best), this is a 6-7 team right now, with the potential to be 7-6.

(I didn’t want to risk triggering the Belichick-haters by bringing up Bill’s elite game plans and in-game decisions compared to Jerod The Clueless)

Belichick would've drafted Jonawalu Ogungliotta, Left Center out of Monongahila Junior College at 3 instead of Drake Maye so I dont really wanna hear it

 

[vicspats]

Thanks, appreciate your post. I do see your point, and admire the way you look at things. I think ultimately you said it best yourself. Did it backfire? Yes. And he failed to adapt when it backfired which is why he’s gone.

For the record, I don’t think Mayo is qualified to be an nfl head coach. Horrendous choice

See ?? Now we can talk like gentlemen ?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

They should have had 30 plus points today
They are a team that has learned how to lose (players and coaches)
That is why I root to win every week
Until we learn to win we will be losers regardless of draft position
It isn’t just winning. It’s the positive camaraderie and mindset that comes with it
We have none of that now

I will say this:

For professional athletes, losing sticks with you.

There will be several players still with this team when things start going right, and this experience drives them. They do whatever it takes not to lose, because they don't want that feeling. It drives them, and is contagious to their future teammates.

 

[vicspats]

Belichick would've drafted Jonawalu Ogungliotta, Left Center out of Monongahila Junior College at 3 instead of Drake Maye so I dont really wanna hear it

Holy crap!!! I went there … graduated in ‘77

 

[signbabybrady]

“We’re gonna win more than four games this year” - Jerod Mayo, January 22nd, 2024

He should be fired if he doesn't

 

[mgteich]

I dunno, I have zero problem with this result. Offense, aside from untimely penalties, played well. Maye was great, run game was very good, D was solid and Slye nearly got an NFL record. Plus, they did anll of that and preserved their top 5 draft position.

I get fans want Ws but drafting in the teens is not the way for this team to improve long term.

Our run defense was really poor, unlike our run defense against MIA.
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I liked our pass defense. We have three young stud corners: Gonzo, Marco Jones, and Austin. Our safeties played fine, as did Tavai and Ellis.
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We knew that we had a very poor OL. Maye compensated by getting rid of the ball in below 2.5 seconds. Maye couldn't make up for the penalties.
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Let's be clear. Other than our OL, our Offense was outstanding; Maye, Henry, Hooper, Bourne, Douglas, Boutte. Gibson, Stevenson.

 

[The Gr8est]

While I agree, you are too harsh. Every GM makes mistakes. You have to compare against other situations.

Having said that, BB was a terrible GM for the last 5 to 7 years. Having said that, does the scouting department have any culpability? The 2024 draft was so bad, I hope we can agree that Wolf and Groh should be gone post haste. One of BB's biggest mistakes was not firing Wolf and Groh.

Didn’t BB tell Atlanta that he was willing to give up the GM duties if they hired him?

As I recall Kraft also spoke with Arthur Blank and pushed for him not to hire BB.

BB with a less egotistical owned and a competent GM could still be in NE and the dynasty continuing.

 

[The Gr8est]

I will say this:

For professional athletes, losing sticks with you.

There will be several players still with this team when things start going right, and this experience drives them. They do whatever it takes not to lose, because they don't want that feeling. It drives them, and is contagious to their future teammates.

If the Pats lose out, but clean house in the coaching staff and GM, then a new competent staff with Drake Maye can start with a clean slate, and optimism.

 

[PatsFan2]

Mayo and Van Pelt were absolute cowards after the Gonzalez INT. Maye had missed 3 throws in the game Running it up the middle twice was gutless and if you are gonna run it why not Gibson?

Absolutely sucks that Kraft wont do the right thing and clean house of Mayo and the coaching staff after the season because he supposedly has had Mayo handpicked since 2019 and it would mean he would have to admit he was wrong and he won't do that.

Will be getting a new hobby on Sundays in 2025 if the Krafts don't clean house. Better a year early than a year too late.

 

[mgteich]

Penalties on the offensive line are killing this team every single week.

Your point? Yes, we need to upgrade most (4?) of our OL starters and we don't know how many backups.

For others, it means that our entire coaching staff should be fired, as well as half the team.
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I've seen NO ONE simply say that with an adequate OL, we would be a very different team.

 

[upstater1]

I agree. I love Drake Maye too. Drake is why I am in the "tank for the draft" camp. People always argue that losing franchises continue to lose, but that is only true if the losing franchise does not have a QB. We have a QB and need a top LT, DT (as you saw today), and WR #1. We greatly increase our chances with a higher draft pick. We can sign all of the mid-level players in FA, and need a high draft pick to hit on the key positions of LT, DT, and WR.

I tend to think LBs are much bigger needs for us than DT... but agree

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Didn’t BB tell Atlanta that he was willing to give up the GM duties if they hired him?

As I recall Kraft also spoke with Arthur Blank and pushed for him not to hire BB.

BB with a less egotistical owned and a competent GM could still be in NE and the dynasty continuing.

Maybe. But I think Brady and Gronk genuinely did not like playing for BB. I think BB was a bit too old school as the times changed.

 

[signbabybrady]

Where's Polk?

Who?