Patriots Player Departure LG Michael Jordan released

[upstater1]

Why would Klemm go to Wolf? That was Belichick’s team, and he was the one who chose all those linemen. And he quit while working for Belichick. Klemm never worked under Wolf.

Why are you asking me?

Im telling you the news reported that he went after wolf.

Like you, I thought it didn't make any sense. Then Klemm was gone so I thought he lost his mind.

Belichick isn't around anymore, he wasn't here for acquiring most of the players I listed above. All I'm saying is that, in retrospect, I'm not so sure anymore that Klemm's assessment of the situation was wrong.

That being said, I think people on this board have the propensity of saying it was all Belichick, when clearly there are personnel guys making assessments, when the owner has stated FLAT OUT and to the media that things were not going to go as they used to anymore and that Belichick would have to listen to other voices more, and when Belichick himself says he does not have the time to do college scouting outside of visiting post season all-star games. He has the final say? OK, he has the final say on taking guys he hasn't scouted!

 

[upstater1]

You asked why the others weren’t starting over Jordan.

No, I did not.

I said there's a certain illogic that you're getting rid of your starter and now you're relying on guys that you would not play over him. I really have no idea if Sow is any better than Jordan. So I'm not making that assessment at all. I don't know that Mayo is either. I don't know his relationship with Wolf.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Why are you asking me?

Im telling you the news reported that he went after wolf.

Like you, I thought it didn't make any sense. Then Klemm was gone so I thought he lost his mind.

Belichick isn't around anymore, he wasn't here for acquiring most of the players I listed above. All I'm saying is that, in retrospect, I'm not so sure anymore that Klemm's assessment of the situation was wrong.

That being said, I think people on this board have the propensity of saying it was all Belichick, when clearly there are personnel guys making assessments, when the owner has stated FLAT OUT and to the media that things were not going to go as they used to anymore and that Belichick would have to listen to other voices more, and when Belichick himself says he does not have the time to do college scouting outside of visiting post season all-star games. He has the final say? OK, he has the final say on taking guys he hasn't scouted!

Upstater, I have much respect for you, but we disagree completely on this. Have a great day.

 

[upstater1]

And as that article outlines almost every player Upstater attributed to a Wolf as bad acquisitions were in fact Belichick acquisitions.

This is just flat out wrong!

What's a matter with you? It's Thanksgiving day.

 

[upstater1]

Upstater, I have much respect for you, but we disagree completely on this. Have a great day.

I have respect for you too, that's why I'm wondering what the heck is going on.

This is all I'm going to say: Chuk Okorafor, Keith Leverett, Michael Jordan, Demontrey Jacobs, Vederian Lowe, Tyrone Wheatley, Caeden Wallace, Sidy Sow, Atonio Mafi, Layden Robinson, Zachary Thomas

 

[mnpatfan]

Good riddance... the dude was softer than Charmin.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Why did it take 11 games to cut this clown??

 

[archstanton543]

Why did it take 11 games to cut this clown??

They didn't have anyone else and they were waiting for Strange to come back.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I have respect for you too, that's why I'm wondering what the heck is going on.

This is all I'm going to say: Chuk Okorafor, Keith Leverett, Michael Jordan, Demontrey Jacobs, Vederian Lowe, Tyrone Wheatley, Caeden Wallace, Sidy Sow, Atonio Mafi, Layden Robinson, Zachary Thomas

I’m perfectly fine with holding Wolf accountable for decisions he’s made since taking over, but I think it’s too early to judge his draft picks. I’m not fine with people blaming him for Belichick’s decisions. On the one hand you guys cite Kraft saying 5 years ago that he wanted to see more collaboration. At the same time you guys ignore Kraft saying Belichick always had total control. Which is it. Is he a liar, or does he have credibilit?. IMO he wanted Belichick to listen more, but he always had final say, his assistants never had the authority to overrule him. And had Belichick been held to the same standards you guys are trying to hold Wolf to he would have been fired half way through his first season.

 

[Family]

I’m perfectly fine with holding Wolf accountable for decisions he’s made since taking over, but I think it’s too early to judge his draft picks.

How about he wanted to pay Calvin Ridley and Brandon Aiyuk ridiculous amounts that would have handcuffed the team? Those moves would have been a disaster in a rebuild.

Have you seen any ability to find/recognize talent during his year in office?

On probably the weakest roster in the NFL could Wolfe find any significant contributor beyond Maye? We would criticize BB for his bargain basement signings, but at least some did work most years.

The draft picks are just the tip. And you say give him a year, but Bill who was horrible with rookies seemed to always find an UFA or some rookie from late in the draft to contribute his first year. On a talent void team who have we had this year? Dell Pettus?

Beyond Maye, Wolfe's best move was doing nothing and not messing it up for the future for the next guy.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

They didn't have anyone else and they were waiting for Strange to come back.

Creating a spot for Strange certainly takes some of the drama out of the move. Someone had to go. If that is the case why create all of the circus for no good reason. Whatever the reason for letting Jordan go, I would guess that Mayo and Wolf did a better job of communicating the change to the players.

EDIT: added the part I accidentally left out. Thanks Cap

 

[captain stone]

Released by Bengals, Panthers, Packers, now Pats. Maybe it’s the player?

You mean the 2ND-BEST player on our offensive Line? That player?

 

[archstanton543]

Creating a spot for Strange certainly takes some of the drama out of the move. Someone had to go. If that is the case why create all of the circus for no good reason. Whatever the reason for letting Jordan go, I would guess that Mayo and Wolf did a better job of communicating the change.

The only people hyperventilating about this move are here.

 

[archstanton543]

Have you seen any ability to find/recognize talent during his year in office?

He hasn't even been the GM for a year yet. Not every draft class or FA class is the same. People used to say "it takes a season or two to really evaluate a draft class". What happened to that? People expect a quick fix and this rebuild was never going to be that. Again, they weren't one QB away as this season has proved. Booting a GM after one year makes us just as bad as the Jets and other perennial loser franchises.

I'm not saying stick with the guy indefinitely but canning him after one season is ridiculous. And is not going to happen anyways.

 

[Family]

I'm not saying stick with the guy indefinitely but canning him after one season is ridiculous. And is not going to happen anyways.

I agree it's not likely to happen.

Do you think they should keep the entire management team, Mayo. Van Pelt, Covington?

This is a very tight window with Maye on a rookie contract. A rare opportunity.

Every year counts.

 

[archstanton543]

I agree it's not likely to happen.

Do you think they should keep the entire management team, Mayo. Van Pelt, Covington?

This is a very tight window with Maye on a rookie contract. A rare opportunity.

Every year counts.

Tight window? He's got 4 years left on his rookie deal (unless something crazy happens, they're picking up his 5th year option). Teams like the Chiefs pay their superstar QB and surround them with talent without being in cap jail. The Pats can do the same if it takes over 4 years.

I'm not impressed with Mayo et al. I think they should get rid of Covington at least. Mayo is going to get at least one more year, if not two. AVP is meh at best. The undisciplined play across the board is troubling.

All I can say is buckle in. It's going to be a long and bumpy ride.

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[Family]

Tight window? He's got 4 years left on his rookie deal (unless something crazy happens, they're picking up his 5th year option). Teams like the Chiefs pay their superstar QB and surround them with talent without being in cap jail. The Pats can do the same if it takes over 4 years.

I'm not impressed with Mayo et al. I think they should get rid of Covington at least. Mayo is going to get at least one more year, if not two. AVP is meh at best. The undisciplined play across the board is troubling.

All I can say is buckle in. It's going to be a long and bumpy ride.

I'm not 100% sure of the rules, but didn't Mac Jones lose the 5th year because he made the Pro Bowl ?

So maybe there will be three left, and if they mess up next year it's two without the right young players.

Wolf will trade down, and draft a plodder like Polk rather than the type of receiver who seems to excel in today's NFL. Past maybe Maye (which is debatable) it is evident Wolf is drafting for a coach like Bill.

More importantly, if they switch Mayo, which I think there is a decent chance of, I want a GM who will work well with Wolf. Maybe, if the new coach were to be Vrabel, it would be OK to keep Wolf.

 

[maust]

I'm not 100% sure of the rules, but didn't Mac Jones lose the 5th year because he made the Pro Bowl ?

Outside of violating the terms of his contract a player doesn't 'lose' the 5th year option. The option lies entirely with the team, it's the team's choice whether they will exercise it. The 5th year option on a 1st rounder's contract must be picked up before the preseason of their fourth year of their rookie deal. In other words the option must be exercised between the end of their 3rd year and the beginning of the preseason of their 4th. Mac Jones was jettisoned at the end of his 3rd year.

The only thing a Pro Bowl selection does is drive up the price of exercising the option. If a player makes one Pro Bowl the value of his option is worth the transition tag for his position, if he makes two or more the contract value is equal to his position's franchise tag.

 

[Huckleberry1]

How about he wanted to pay Calvin Ridley and Brandon Aiyuk ridiculous amounts that would have handcuffed the team? Those moves would have been a disaster in a rebuild.

Have you seen any ability to find/recognize talent during his year in office?

On probably the weakest roster in the NFL could Wolfe find any significant contributor beyond Maye? We would criticize BB for his bargain basement signings, but at least some did work most years.

The draft picks are just the tip. And you say give him a year, but Bill who was horrible with rookies seemed to always find an UFA or some rookie from late in the draft to contribute his first year. On a talent void team who have we had this year? Dell Pettus?

Beyond Maye, Wolfe's best move was doing nothing and not messing it up for the future for the next guy.

The overwhelming sentiment in this forum was to sign either one of those guys, and last I knew GM’s don’t get graded on “ might haves,” in fact he’s been trashed here for “didn’t” sign players people here wanted him to sign, including those two receivers, so there literally is no way he can win. Wozzy even went so far as to criticize him for letting Thornton go, and he actually was a massive bust.

The bottom line is that a number of you will blame him for anything and everything.